Until another judge says it will stay sealed.
Why would a judge say that? Like are they defending the corrupt ? Genuinely curious
Noam Chomsky once said that his dealings and business with Epstein were none of our business and we should fuck off. I hope we get to find out more about his and other rich people’s dealings with Epstein
Chomsky lost his mind decades ago, he’s for sure on the list and would probably justify it in some pseudoscientific bs way.
Meanwhile advocating for Ukraine to just lay down and die
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Source?
“What was known about Jeffrey Epstein was that he had been convicted of a crime and had served his sentence,” Chomsky told the Journal about his meetings. "According to U.S. laws and norms, that yields a clean slate.
That’s not a bad argument. He said the discussed politics and philosophy. Nothing suggests that there was any minors involved.
I don’t see why he wouldn’t want that to be public knowledge. What Epstein did was so awful you really would want to clear your name if you had any connection to the man.
I agree with you, but also I have seen many times how trigger-happy internet crowd may be. Maybe he thinks that nobody will read an explanation past the first word. Or maybe he’s guilty of abuses, we’ll hopefully see
It is freaken Chomsky. Have you heard his name one time? Congratulations, you now have an opinion about him. And said opinion is very very extreme.
The man is either an intellectual titan in a wide variety of fields and the one consistent voice of morality for +60 years or batshit insane impractical plagiarism commiting fraud who thinks the best thing western civilization can do is suicide while leaving an apology note. Nothing in between.
Wow, yeah, I only heard part of it, think I should go read a bit
I don’t see why he wouldn’t want that to be public knowledge. What Epstein did was so awful you really would want to clear your name if you had any connection to the man.
Richard Stallman got cancelled for trying to clear Marvin Minsky’s name. Not only had Minsky himself not actually done anything wrong, but Stallman wasn’t even connected to Epstein except in a “six degrees of Kevin Bacon” sort of way. Yet he got kicked off the Free Software Foundation board for it anyway (at least until ‘truth got its boots on’ and folks came to their senses and reinstated him).
That’s how absolutely radioactive this shit is.
You’re not seriously citing Stallman as someone who should be defended, are you?
https://drewdevault.com/2023/11/25/2023-11-26-RMS-on-sex.html
Richard Stallman got “cancelled” because he was sexually harassing everybody with boobs and walking on two legs and had been for decades according to people who dealt with him at work and conferences. Oh I am sorry were you hoping I didn’t know about that?
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Judging an entire race… Are you from the past?
Oh noes, somebody from a different race than mine, he must be bad!
Go get fucked by an umbrella
Why don’t you enlighten us as to what significance that has instead of dogwhistling
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The guy kept a list of billionaires he was serving minor sex-traffic victims too.
It’d be great if that list were to become public so there could maybe be some justice for the victims and some punishment to deter tomorrow’s billionaire’s from following suit.
It be great it despite the blatant cover-up of Epstein’s murder the list still became public.
It’d be great if those who felt they were above the law and commited heineous crimes found they weren’t above the law.
It’d be great to see the justice system worked
He was also almost certainly an Israeli intelligence asset. I can’t prove it, but there’s a ton of evidence for anyone who wants to look into it. I’m surprised that this is not more widely known.
I have read many theories on this. They are theories, but they are quite believable. I would not be surprised in the slightest if they were true.
I think it’s because he represents how rich powerful people live under a different set of rules and are seemingly able to get away with almost anything. Compound that with the right wing obsession with human trafficking that usually leans into conspiracy theories that both exaggerate the real issue and somehow only blames “leftist elites”. They hope the Epstein release will finally prove their wacky theorys correct.
What a dumb move. All the names? The judge must know that people will not be smart enough to realize being on the list doesn’t mean you’re guilty of any crime. And it’s going to include victims? And people who might have just been included in an email?
I’m all for going after any criminals, but the problem with the outcome of this is that people are stupid and will think that inclusion on the list is the same as guilt. If we are also talking about people who fought successfully to have their names protected, it’s the rich people with means who won’t end up being made public.
If people were generally rational, this would be a good thing. But we’re not, and it seems that all sense is thrown out the window when it comes to Epstein.
Saying “people are stupid so we shouldn’t have information” is so anti-humanist. Mob mentality. We have courts, why does public opinion matter? Its actually up to these important people to protect their image if its worth so much - but they don’t, they’re living their lives. Often with even less moral consideration than a regular guy.
And your call to wealth being a shield from danger? Bill gates seems to have lost his marriage over his involvement with Epstein. And that Prince guy in Britain, the rest of the royal family talks shit about him.
You’re really arguing with me that rich people fair better in the legal system?
Well those crimes were ages ago. Who would prosecute them? Yeah, it won’t even go to trial. If they are guilty, which… Like you said, gonna be tough to prove. Rich people absolutely do better at every step of our legal system.
I’m talking about having their names released to the public, which people are going to basically equate to being a child molester, not being convicted of any crimes.
I think theres a good chance people will be more understanding about it. On Epstein’s original flight list, I xan only remember the names of people who visited a LOT. And even then, some of the people who only visited a few times turned out to be child molesters. So we can’t know for sure.
This isn’t the “flew on his jet a few times” sort of associates, they were named in Giuffre’s court case.
The documents are part of a settled civil lawsuit alleging Epstein’s one-time paramour Ghislaine Maxwell facilitated the sexual abuse of Virginia Giuffre. Terms of the 2017 settlement were not disclosed.
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Nice try, Andrew.
You read part of the article, found something you think confirms your point (it does not) and then just stopped reading and thinking. Your issue is that you’re trying to be right, rather than trying to figure out what is right.
Also from the article:
Some of the names may simply have been included in depositions, email or legal documents.
And very explicitly
including Epstein’s victims, co-conspirators and innocent associates.
And also
The documents may not make clear why a certain individual became associated with Giuffre’s lawsuit,
As I said, people aren’t rational especially when it comes to Epstein. I appreciate you coming to me and demonstrating this for everyone.
I did read the article, I just I didn’t realise there was any article after all the jump, sorry. Hate it when sites do that.
But I still don’t buy that argument:
Judge Loretta Preska set the release for Jan. 1, giving anyone who objects to their documents becoming public time to object. Her ruling, though, said that since some of the individuals have given media interviews their names should not stay private.
Anyone who was named in those documents knows that they were named in those documents. It is unlikely to include as many innocents as you, or rather that journalist, seem to expect.
So, it’s the articles fault you didn’t read it because of something that happens extremely regularly in articles on the Internet. I’m wrong because of words you put in my mouth (I made no claims as to how many innocents are on the list). And you’re still right based on blind speculation.
It’s like you’re desperate to demonstrate my point for me.
Chill the fuck out.
You act like your first response was respectful and I should have responded in kind.
It’s okay to admit you were just wrong and I made a good point.
Somehow, as of lately, when people start to talk about rationality it is mostly about some bizarre stuff like bombing datacenters or living in a country that leads an aggressive war because you earn more.
Maybe it’s just a survivor bias and everyone is about bizarre stuff in these times, though
I use to say “all extremes call for their opposite”. Since almost no information ever transpires about this whole scandal, the opposite is to release all the names to the public. It was to be expected. If we were trusting the justice system, this would seem inappropriate. But we have what we have, and making the whole list public is the only guarantee we have that not one of the “bad” guy can escape public’s attention. That of course, is valid only if the list is comprehensive and some names have not already been taken out.
It is indeed unfortunate that a lot of people who didn’t deserve and didn’t want any bad attention will get some.
I’m not saying I agree with the move. I’m saying it was to be expected.
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making the whole list public is the only guarantee we have that not one of the “bad” guy can escape public’s attention.
Problem is that we don’t know if this is the case. It was noted in the article that some people were able to get their names retracted already and that she is leaving time for other people to plead their case. We all know, and this part of the reason for lack of trust in the legal system, that it favors the rich…so for all I know it’s rich likely guilty people who were able to pay for a lawyer to argue to get themselves removed, while some poor regular joe got caught up in an email for God knows what innocent reason, who is going to get harassed by the mindless mob.
Expected? Maybe. A bad move, almost certainly. People want blood when it comes to Epstein and when that happens rationality takes a back seat.
Are “associates” and “customers” considered synonyms in legalese? If not, this list may not be as juicy as people think.
Customers pay, associates are given comps
There goes the entire Republican Party
The goes the government
Unsealed BUT with copious amounts of black marker used on the list to cover up names.
Lol now that they had enough time to tamper with them, time to “unseal” them
It will be real interesting to see who files a motion objecting to the unsealing and appeals it to a higher court.
PLEASE
they’ll shriek
WON’T ANYONE THINK OF THE VICTIMS
I hope that judge is well protected and this isn’t an edited list of people.
It’s Deja vu all over again
They’ll unseal them but all envelopes contain only an “I Owe You” from Trump, and under his signature he wrote in small font “I declassified them after I took them home”
You know Dems were in that book, too, right?
Boo hoo, throw the book at them too.
If they’re fucking kids send them all to jail, like they did to Matt Gaetz
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I don’t think anybody is making this a partisan issue.
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Right, so just a Trump issue, then?
I don’t know how that follows
He’s trying to feel like a victim
How is pointing out the fact that members of both political parties were named as acquaintances of a known pedophile “trying to feel like a victim”? Seeing the Trump comments under every single Epstein post is super hilarious and everything, but I don’t see very many posts about Hillary or Bill. Just trying to make sure they’re all accounted for, not just the guys we already don’t like.
No. You pointed out Bill and so someone responded to kill them all. And you had issue with that. Why? You tried to make it all about Trump to play the victim. Otherwise why would you have a problem will killing bill too.
False equivalence. Trump is running for President again, which makes mentioning him relevant in a way that mentioning others is not.
Idk why you are pointing this out. Fuck all of them, regardless of politics. If Trump is in there, jail. If Biden is in there, jail.
Because I see comments about Trump under every Epstein, and there were way more politicians than Trump included in that passenger manifest. Is it offensive to you that I pointed that out or something?
The thing is he’s running for president and likes to accuse people of things. It makes sense people are going to look towards him first when shit starts flying around. Dudes into shady stuff, spent decades ripping people off or “getting a good deal” depending on your disposition.
Regardless, let them all burn, let’s find someone competent in the ashes. If someone is corrupt it’s in all our best interests to dump them, regardless of political affiliation, and find someone who believes in more than themselves.
Fair enough, I just wanna make sure they are all held accountable, not just the guys we already dislike. I’m all for Trump facing a firing squad, I just sort of feel like we’ve gotten to a place where those kind of people don’t really feel the same squeeze of justice that us 99%ers do.
A bit of common sense finally?
January 1 - This is just the emotionally charged distraction. Keep watchful for the event that needs to go under the radar. A change in laws or policy, a new war, or anything that is meant to erode people’s privacy, security or freedom. The US has a history of implementing undesirable changes during holiday periods when there’s little opposition. Possibly something like this;
https://act.eff.org/action/tell-congress-they-must-defeat-hpsci-s-horrific-surveillance-bill
Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act is set to expire on December 31, 2023
what the fuck is an associate
One who associates…
noun /əˈsōsēət,əˈsōSHēət/ 1. a partner or colleague in business or at work.
