Drinking one glass or more of 100% fruit juice each day is associated with weight gain in children and adults, according to a new analysis of 42 previous studies.
The research, published Tuesday in JAMA Pediatrics, found a positive association between drinking 100% fruit juice and BMI — a calculation that takes into account weight and height — among kids. It also found an association between daily consumption of 100% fruit juice with weight gain among adults.
100% fruit juice was defined as fruit juices with no added sugar.
I see so many things blamed for weight gain, but nobody ever seems to talk about the fact that nearly everyone is staying inside more. Kids don’t go outside to play like they used to. They play video games and watch YouTube instead of riding bikes and climbing trees. Adults too. The human race is becoming increasingly sedentary. The calories catch up way quicker if you aren’t doing anything to burn them. And I’m not pointing fingers here. I do it too.
Easy to claim everyone is staying inside if you’re inside not seeing it or when it’s either extreme freezing or boiling…but I just saw a plethora of children sledding yesterday after a snowstorm. I just came back from a Christmas vacation with a large group of nieces/nephews skating, swimming, building snowmen, snowshoeing, sleigh rides and skiing. There was a new activity to do every day. Not one looked at their phone(not even adults) and the total of tv screen time was maybe a two hours out of their day waiting between eating meals together or physically playing together or if the weather did not permit a lot of outdoor activity. Upon which we had a lot of board games to play with each other. The kids do not do well with no activity and tend to get moody and hard to deal with so the parents do a lot to try to expend their extra energy. Having kids is a lot of work. Especially if some of the kids are on a particular spectrum in which we had two out of the group.
on one hand it’s probably the household/family type and I have no doubt there are quite a few families that definitely do need to give their head a shake but it’s not as ubiquitous and pervasive as you’re suggesting. Most parents I’ve seen biggest complaint is ‘I’m trying to tire them out.’ seems to be the catch phrase of the decade right now.
Sounds like those parents don’t want to participate. Sometimes you have to go outside with them. I try, but red dead looks just like outside to a 12 year old
those parents don’t want to participate
Knock it off. Now you’re being a bad actor as My post was literally about how the parents went and did all these things with their kids. Now you’re just ignoring what was actually said and hardrailing your point into everyone else’s story I see. Welcome to my block list.
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Wall E was a documentary set in the future.
Have you seen the outside they built?
Kids aren’t allowed to play outside anymore anywhere but the country.
The trees have been cut down and replaced with tiny puffs of artificial grass. There are no yards, it’s all just streets to play in. And the streets are now blasted through at 30mph.
Adults call the cops on children outside just anywhere but their own front lawn. There is nowhere where it is free to be, and kids aren’t exactly flush with cash.
I left the city years ago. My kid has all the outdoors he could want and I about have to twist his arm to get him off red dead.
Same. But as someone who lived in the city. I spoke to the cops more than my drug addicted cousin.
‘You can’t skateboard here’. 'You’re loitering, do you want me to arrest you? ’ 'You can’t ride your bike here… ’
Motherfucker where can I do any of this without you bothering me? There aren’t any parks? So where exactly do you want us to go?
I live in a housing development without a tree in sight. There were kids out running around all over the place all summer long. Never saw anyone complaining about it either.
It’s because of perfection of the ability to stay at home while keeping yourself entertained. The other side that nobody remembers was that their was almost nothing to do at home so you would go out because their was things to do. Now theirs so many things to do you can literally stay inside for the rest of your life and never be bored.
If the weather keeps being frozen or boiling or Smokey from fires to the point it’s dangerous to be outside for half an hour, finding stuff to do inside is a necessity.
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Always replace here with there if it makes sense then yes. You’re incorrect. There it is vs here it is.
Not just that, “there were”, not “their was”.
Just eat the god damn fruit children.
Please don’t eat the fruit children.
It’s like drinking sodas.
I read the whole article and all it says is that the weight gain is due to the lack of fibre in juice, which leads to not feeling satiated
So the weight gain is due to eating other things on top of the juice, no?
No, the weight gain is from the juice being high in sugar (like a fruit) without fiber (which a fruit has).
You’re basically drinking sugar and there’s nothing to slow down your metabolism or fill you up, so you take in too much sugar.
In theory if you mixed it with something fibrous like oats (that don’t have their own sweatener) maybe you end up in a better place (if you drink less juice and you eat/drink less caloric beverages/food throughout your day – i…e you trade bland oats and orange juice for a hamburger).
In general, adding things to your diet doesn’t help unless you’re also removing something (e.g., adding smoothies is great! … but not if you’re still having the hamburger and now also a smoothie vs water).
That seems like exactly what they said. 100 calories of fruit or fruit juice is the same in one sense. However, the fiber in the fruit makes you feel more full so you may not eat more. Being more hungry with the fruit juice could potentially make you eat more.
Hm… I think I misread/misinterpretted.
I’d still caution against the idea of eating something “bad” but making it “good” by pairing it with something “good.” That’s a seemingly common slippery slope.
Yeah I drink fruit juice for breakfast but never on its own. The article is skewed I think
Drinking calories is almost always a bad idea.
One glas of OJ is like the juice of 10 oranges. You simply wouldn’t be able to eat that many because of all the bulk (fibre) that comes with it. But as juice, you can down them in seconds, giving you more sugar than a soda, which will lead to bloodsugar spikes, which will lead to Type 2 diabetis. So eat as much fruit as you like, it’s super healthy, but don’t drink fruit juice.
Hasn’t this been well known for a couple decades now? Or is this just confirmation of that?
Replace fruit juice with soda in the title and no doubt it’s a slam dunk, but I personally didn’t realize how much sugar’s in fruit drinks until I entered it into a calorie tracker. I’m guessing fruit juice is slightly less bad compared to soda, but I wouldn’t be surprised to learn most people are oblivious to how “not good” fruit juice is for them. Probably some, “Well, fruit is good for me, so fruit juice must be okay, too.”
This has been a pet peeve of mine for years, but I’ve never voiced it because I didn’t feel like taking on the “you’re an idiot” stares.
But seriously, I drink a diet soda and I’m supposed to feel shitty because “soda is bad” while someone chugs a sugary glass of juice and that’s supposed to be healthier? Can I compromise and drink a Fresca? Lol
a drink being nutritious is not the same as being healthy
100% juice is all natural stuff that you body is used to procesing for milions of years, but yeah you’re gonna get fat if you chug it like there no tomorrow
soda is some random shit thrown together, articifial sweetners, coloring etc.
Equating “natural” with “good” is called the naturalistic fallacy for a reason.
What natural stuff, specifically?
Mushrooms are natural, but choose wrong and you’ll have a very bad day.
Yeah. :p
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People treating “healthy” like an essential quality something either does or does not have has irritated me for decades.
For example, one lens of “health” is “non-toxic.” If you know, toxicity requires a quantity. Nobody ever talks about quantity, I swear to god.
People at the restaurant I used to work in would look me dead in the eyes and say “oHh, eating healthy today, hUH?” over a salad I’d loaded with bacon, cheese and ranch. There wasn’t a single time I didn’t just flatly answer “Is it?”
People who hate on diet soda aren’t worth taking seriously.
Fresca fucks
2010 called, they said “duh”
This is why my kids don’t get juice or soda other than special occasions. They get full fat milk twice a day and water all day long.
Inb4 Full Fat Milk now also makes you a bad parent.
The Media: Nothing you do is ever enough.
The article doesn’t accurately represent the study. The harm isn’t in any amount of fruit juice like it is with corn syrup and fake sugars, it’s in multiple servings of fruit juice to children per day. The operative part from the study here -
Among cohort studies in children, each additional serving per day of 100% fruit juice was associated with a 0.03 (95% CI, 0.01-0.05) higher BMI change. Among cohort studies in adults, studies that did not adjust for energy showed greater body weight gain (0.21 kg; 95% CI, 0.15-0.27 kg) than studies that did adjust for energy intake (−0.08 kg; 95% CI, −0.11 to −0.05 kg; P for meta-regression <.001). RCTs in adults found no significant association of assignment to 100% fruit juice with body weight but the CI was wide (MD, −0.53 kg; 95% CI, −1.55 to 0.48 kg).
That said. As long as they’re getting actual fruit, it’s not like fruit juice is a requirement.
I have a very vivid memory of working with this girl who had a neck so large that it hung down like a bullfrog’s sack. I had lost some weight myself and we were discussing nutrition and my high water consumption, and I remember she looks at me very seriously and a little exasperated and says, “I’m eating healthier too. I stopped drinking so much pop and switched entirely to juice.”
People really do believe that pure fruit juice is good for your body. I think it’s largely due to the average person’s inability to understand caloric intake and how to decipher a nutrional chart.
I mean it’s probably better than soda right?
In that it has more nutrients, yes. But once the fruit is blitzed, the sugars in it are just as available as any other highly processed sugar. It’s a lot worse than just eating the fruit it came from.
Yes but one reason we get studies like this is fruit juice is the harm reduction for soda addicts. So BMI correlation is a poor measure.
BMI is a shit measure and studies like this are impossible to do well. That does not mean fruit juice is magically sugar-free.
BMI is kind of the okay and strongly correlates with health outcomes.
It is not a one size fits all tool, but it is a useful tool in aggregate.
Lol, I’ve never seen harm reduction used in a dietary context before.
Still, going from pop to juice is a step in the right direction. It’s an early step on a long journey, but a step nonetheless.
One reason a lot of people fail to switch to a healthy diet is because they try to go straight from “whatever the hell I want to eat whenever I want to eat it” to “trendy diet full of food I hate only allowed 2 meals per day”.
Switching from pop to juice is far from the last step, but it’s a good conscious decision if they’re committed to continuing.
Unless they think it is healthier and have no intention of quitting it, of course.
It’s also expensive as hell buying healthier products to find a balance you like and is healthy. For example I’m trying to move away from white rice. (I added it to literally everything when I was poor because it was cheap and halfway nutritious.) Now I’m finding out I don’t like Quinoa. So I’m going to try brown rice and whole wheat pasta. That particular exchange isn’t horribly expensive but I never would have risked not liking something when I was hard up for money.
So people make this decision, check out blogs, try super expensive kale, find out they aren’t in the group that likes it, and give up because they don’t have the time or money to experiment properly.
I just check the orange juice I buy. Just generic supermarket branded. 45 calories per 100ml. Coca Cola is 42.
There are people are drinking several litres a day of this shit, on top of all the normal stuff they eat.
There are people are drinking several litres a day of this shit, on top of all the normal stuff they eat.
The study makes it clear that’s the problem. The article is trying to spin it into fruit juice being as bad as soda.
“Sugary drinks are bad for you?”
Everyone has been on this tangent for years, this isn’t exactly news. I think it’s worth noting that the problem isn’t really this simple. They concentrate the juice and pump it full of “juice” that is really just sugar. If you actually buy real pressed 100% blueberry juice, for example, instead of apple sugar flavored with blueberries, the sugar content is lower. And because you would never actually want to drink 100% blueberry juice because it wouldn’t taste how you are expecting, you would water it down. Suddenly you have a glass of juice with 5 grams of sugar instead of 30 grams and you are fine. Additionally, no matter the type of juice, it is nearly always over concentrated because they are trying to boost the sugar content. People should really be watering down any kind of store bought juice.
No one is actually drinking “100% juice”, they are drinking a product that resembles the fruit of juice. These companies are not squeezing juice into a bottle, they are concentrating fruit sugars and adding them back into water. The problem is just as much with false advertising as anything. I’m not saying freshly squeezed juice is healthy, but it as sure as shit healthier than the fraud they are selling on the shelves. As with everything, the problem is money. Companies know they will sell more if they say it’s juice and then pump it full of extra concentrated fruit sugar.
Edit: I wish more companies sold actual 100% real pressed fruit juice, I would buy it and water it down with soda water. I also wish they were more honest with their labeling about what they are actually doing. Not everything needs to be flawlessly healthy, but we could take steps in the right direction. You should only be able to label something as 100% juice if it actually is squeezed out of the fruit and put in the bottle with no interference and additional processing.
Some of the best drinks I’ve ever had are pure fresh-squeezed juice.
For example: pomegranate juice pressed by a street vendor? Amazing. Apples from the tree in my mom’s yard? Incredible when juiced. Freshly squeezed orange juice? Sign me up.
Relatively few fruits make a juice that’s not good straight. Cranberry comes to mind as being too bitter. Lemon is a bit too acidic for most.
Wyman’s 100% blueberry juice is 20g sugar per 250ml. Mott’s apple juice is 28g for 8 oz/240ml. So blueberry juice is about 2/3 the sugar of apple juice. It’s still plenty sweet.
You don’t water blueberry juice down because it’s not sweet enough. You water it down because 8oz of Mott’s apple juice is $1.30 at Walmart, and 8oz of wymans’ blueberry juice is $7.30. Blends use apple juice because it’s cheap and mild, so you can layer other flavors on top.
Juice isn’t bad for you because of the extra apple sugar. It’s bad because you removed all the fiber. Fiber promotes sateity.
Upvoted because they are all good points. But I would say, that even these pure juice blends are absolutely concentrating the sugar, and probably using the sweetest varieties they can find. I would put money on it. I’ve pressed juice myself and it is never as sweet as what they sell you in the store, not even remotely close. The store juice is magnitudes more sweet because they are liars and frauds, full stop. Either way, we should all be watering it down. Unless you’re desensitizing your taste of sugar by eating pixy stix every day, most juices are too sweet anyway.
and probably using the sweetest varieties they can find.
It’s probably a mix of using sweet varieties, picking at peak ripeness and quickly juicing them without much transportation.
Think of the difference in if you made tomato juice with a standard supermarket tomato vs a local in-season farmstand tomato.
Either way, we should all be watering it down.
Honestly, juice just isn’t anywhere near as healthy as whole fruit.
You can water it down if you want, but either way it should be a fairly rare treat.
I believe I have bought those same brands. If I remember, they come in 32 Oz bottles and are extremely tart. I would water them down heavily and give them to my daughter and she was able to tolerate it.
This is why I treat myself to the occasional coke zero and mostly just drink water. Is it boring? I guess so. But I’ve lost 100 pounds in the past two years and I’d really like to stay this way.
Too many negligent parents, especially in terms of health. Although American health science is pretty much profit lead dog shit
Artificial sweeteners still trigger an insulin response, just like sugar. In the absence of glucose to leech out of the blood stream that then makes you hungry.
Studies aren’t really 100% conclusive yet probably largely because individual differences are high, e.g. if you drink yours with a meal that has a different result than when drinking it without one and then having an extra snack. For the whole population diet sodas might just be a tad worse for weight gain than regular sodas, what we know for certain is that they’re not significantly better.
But I’ve lost 100 pounds in the past two years and I’d really like to stay this way.
0.5 to 1% of body mass per week, no more, or you’re likely to bounce back because ancient circuits in your body and brain think that they need to be ready for famine. In the end all those numbers don’t really do much it’s “eat healthy (meaning enough micronutrients), ideally varied (that’s what seasons are for IMO), and only when you’re hungry”. Where hungry means your body needs energy, not your stomach isn’t full, or you want to distract yourself, or whatever. We all do have perfectly sufficient weight regulation circuitry, no spreadsheet needed, and if you hear someone tell you “it’s all about willpower” then what they have is an intact, unobstructed, circuitry which means that they don’t need willpower.
And yes profit-driven food design is notorious for kicking that circuitry out of whack, our social environment does the rest: Merely eating only consciously, bite for bite, can reset the whole thing but who nowadays has time and nerve for that – which is why you often see it done by proxy, studies show that pretty much any type of diet restriction leads to more conscious eating and therefore better weight regulation, restriction as in what you will eat or when (e.g. only seasonal stuff), not calories. Some set of rules restricting what’s available for you in particular (that is, e.g. not eating pork when noone in your country even sells it doesn’t count). The reason vegans and vegetarians aren’t as prone to obesity has preciously little to do with what they eat, but that on average they spend more time thinking about what they eat than the rest of the population (modulo vegan malnourishment different topic but if you’re a vegan you need to know your shit, it’s not optional).
Homie I didn’t just stop drinking soda. I went vegetarian for two years, work out every day, and started working a physical job instead of from home. I have a diet that is actually very easy to maintain, and I recently started eating fish again to ensure I’m getting more protein to gain muscle.
Thanks for the long response, but telling people they won’t keep off the weight or that their changes are not sustainable only makes you sound like a jackass.
Thanks for the long response, but telling people they won’t keep off the weight or that their changes are not sustainable only makes you sound like a jackass.
I never meant to imply that. Can’t be arsed to do the maths now but 50kg over two years doesn’t sound too drastic depending on starting point. Assuming 150kg starting weight 1% means 1.5kg first week, 1.485 the second, two years are 104 weeks, it adds up. If all that went along with a sustained lifestyle change frankly you should stop worrying about bouncing back. I bet you feel a hell a lot better now than back then, why would you give that up? Even if you were to let go for a while, now that you have the experience you’d spot a downward slide and already have the skill to compensate in a manner that is agreeable to you.
It’s just that there’s such an absolute deluge of bullshit about weight loss out there that I tend to use pretty much every opportunity to write an essay for the general audience.
as a teen i was nearly 250lbs. when i stopped snacking and drinking soda i went way down. now i usually hover around 170-180
Regardless of what the other dude says, I think you’re doing great. Drinking water? Great! Occasional treat without overdoing it? Great! Proud of your accomplishments and motivation to continue? Triple great!
You’re improving yourself and seem to be satisfied with the results, that’s all that matters.
Most people have zero clue about how nutrition works. It makes sense, educators don’t really spend time teaching it. We had the 4 food groups and the food pyramid, both of which tend to favor eating a shitload of bread as your main caloric intake, which has obviously been debunked. We had the great sugar vs fat debate of the 90s. Now people are skeptical of nutrition as a concept and think “oh, fruit juice, that’s healthy”. Can’t really blame people for not knowing everything, but damn, food is important. Garbage in, garbage out.
Precisely. My whole life I was told to stay away from fat and eat my fruits and veggies. I loooove fruits and veggies, but was only recently told they were high in carbs in my 30s. I just assumed they were healthy since that’s what I was told my whole life. Kinda sucks since I’m repulsed by seafood and am not a big meat eater (I identify as flexitarian).
The closest thing to formal education about nutrition I received were the now-obsolete posters of the food pyramid randomly plastered around my middle school.
If you have the time and money I highly recommend a nutrition class at your local community college.
Nothing wrong with fruits and veggies at all. You need carbs to survive. It’s the juice not having fiber thing that will really load you up with calories and get your pancreas working overtime. It’s the complex carbs in the fruits and veg that your body really wants.
Idk it’s what my endo told me. My diet is primarily whole fruits and veggies, he warned me to eat less fruit because of carbs 🤷♀️
If you live a semi-active lifestyle and aren’t diabetic or pre-diabetic, IANAD, but I wouldn’t be super concerned about eating the odd apple or banana.
“I lived a year on orange juice,
Thought I was doing well;
But now they tell me orange juice
Is fattening as well!”No shit, have you seen the US regulations on that label? You can just squeeze concentrate into sugar water and call it 100% real fruit juice.
Haven’t they known this for decades now?
Fruit juice is all the sugar in fruit but without any of the fiber.
Yes. Just got back from the pediatrician and the take home handout said (again) not to feed your kid juice as there’s little to no nutritional value and a butt load of sugar
Yeah, the US has an education problem. They kind of tell kids about this in school these days but for a bunch of years fruit was just plain sold as good for you. Kids parents were raised going oh don’t drink that Fanta here drink this apple juice. When they’re far too close to nutritional value for it to matter.
It’s another thing they could put a label on might help a few people, it’s really effing hard to put a health food label on everything that’s not shit though
but for a bunch of years fruit juice was just plain sold as good for you.
Fruit is not just blanket good for you. Even with the fiber, it’s something you only want in moderation.
Take an average medium apple. that’s 19 carbs. 16 grams of sugar. it has negligible potassium and a 7% of your RDA for Vitamin C.
3g of dietary fiber isn’t even all that much. They’re mostly water.
A medium banana, 23 grams of carbs. 3g of dietary fiber and 14g of sugar.
potassium is a little better at 10%, C at 11%,
1c grapes 24g sugar 1.5g fiber C at 19% (best yet)
Fruits in the end are snacks. They’re high in natural sugars and lack sufficient dietary nutrition to many any significant change to your diet.
Swapping a serving of snack food like pretzels or cheese-its for a piece of fruit isn’t a significant difference.
For sure every doctor alwayd says BOOF it or Lose it
Yeah, drink BRAWNDO!! Yeah
It has electrolytes.
It’s what plants crave!
