Proposal:
Force the English to learn Welsh and rename the English language to American
🇬🇧 English (Traditional)
🇺🇲 English (Simplified)
It’s funny because it’s backwards (verbally, spelling is it’s own thing)
Canada: throws chair
Yeah, let’s rename it to Canadian.
Edit: Be the change you want to see, tell your instance admin to run this SQL query:
UPDATE language SET name = 'Canadian' WHERE id = 37
Anyone who thinks Welsh is a dead language clearly has never visited West or North Wales.
Bring back Cornish and the other minority languages too. Who knows, it might make the place more tolerant of other cultures.
Or most people at least wont understand the racist shit! ;)
“Liatin tuh si bule goblok”
If you know, you know 🤭
La tuya por si acaso
EU used to provide almost all the funding for preserving, teaching and promotion of Cornish. After Brexit, Cornwall is now getting less than half the funding that EU would have provided.
This seems like rage bait. The smug british stereotype is too perfect.
It is as well as being in old repost
Man, what a knobhead. While I suspect that plenty of welsh voters voted to maintain the language, I bet that most of the votes are from non-brits who voted to maintain it just to piss this jackass off.
Absolutely.
I’m no fan of the way Welsh language education is implemented either, but it’s massively frustrating when an English-centric viewpoint is masquerading as a UK-wide voice starts trapping off about things they clearly know next to fuck all about. I’d vote the same way.
Probably a lot of non-Welsh Brits as well, I would have done the same. Welsh is a gorgeous language and more alive than it has been in my lifetime.
What culture would willingly lose its culture?
Makes no sense
Ah, but the Welsh clearly have no culture and must therefore kindly be uplifted by the English. Just like how Russia is currently trying to uplift Ukraine.
(And just to be sure: /s. Imperialism is bad, no matter what national brand.)
Er, the last time I checked the Welsh have their own Parliament… They make their own laws.
In the same way your little brother with his own (unplugged) controller gets to play his own games, sure.
The Welsh have plenty of culture. Like farming. And sheep buggery. /s
Welsh here. Not everyone speaks it, but that’s because the English (even as late at the 1950’s) used the school system to literally beat it out of us (look up the Welsh Not). Even with that concerted effort to force the language out, it’s growing again after a few generations have passed. Being from the south, I know relatively few people who speak it fluently, but I know exactly 0 people who would actually want it abolished.
the British trying not to commit cultural genocide for 10 Minutes (impossible)
If I had actually learnt/used the language then maybe I would feel less indifferent to it and have a connection to Welsh heritage. I don’t think it should be abolished at all but I might be tempted to make it optional rather than compulsory for practical reasons (I don’t hold that view strongly). Ideally we have more languages as compulsory.
Nah the national language is compulsory in pretty much every country.
Here in Germany we obviously have German classes, but also compulsory English and in many schools compulsory 2nd foreign language. For me this was the choice between french and Latin. Other regions have Dutch, Danish, polish, Italian or Spanish.
So, no hurt in making Welsh compulsory.
My cousin is dating a guy who’s first language is welsh. His family live basically at the base of Snowdonia. He is fluent in English but welsh is definitely his preferred language. I thought he was a bit aloof when I first met him but he later explained he finds it hard to keep up with the conversation and be as witty and quick in English as he is in welsh, especially in a noisy pub. He’s in his early 30s and all his friends from home are bilingual but consider their native language welsh.
Not everyone speaks it, but that’s because the English (even as late at the 1950’s) used the school system to literally beat it out of Us
Seems like the typical British MO. Same thing happened with te Reo Maori in New Zealand.
And Australia, America, Canada…
The British are real arses sometimes.
The language revival efforts in the British isles are honestly inspiring. In Scotland a lot of people are making sure their children are educated in Gaelic, even though they don’t speak a word themselves.
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What’s Welsh for moron? Because this guy is that.
Araf
What’s Welsh for moron?
Carrot
Now do microwave :)
Da iawn
I wonder what the general kill count for languages that can be directly attributed to the english.
I mean, we fucked up the world for centuries so it’s gotta be pretty high. Would you blame Native Americans and indigenous Canadians losing their language on the English or the Americans/Canadians out of interest? We certainly got the ball rolling, but the new North Americans saw it through.
For like two centuries those “Americans” were LITERALLY British.
Yes… that’s why I said we started it. But you’ve had a good 250 years to make a run of it on your own. It was an idle question, no need for any agro.
Edit: spelling
American here. While I don’t really know much about the specifics as far as the language killing goes, I think the blame for the vast majority of atrocities that were inflicted on the Natives falls on America, not England.
Sure, it started with you, but when we separated, we had only stolen the most of the east coast. Now we’ve stolen damn near everything. And Andrew Jackson in particular is to blame for a fuckload of it. He’s definitely ours, as much as I’m ashamed of it. Hiding from history doesn’t do anyone any good.
Thomas Jefferson the OG American Imperialist.
I count the english language as one player in this game.
I don’t think the Aussies would agree with that! But I see what you’re saying, the English speakers were at fault, whether you considered them British or new world north American.
Aussies are settlers mate.
Aborigines send their regards
Hey, Welsh people, a suggestion. Do this survey on the streets and invite whoever answers wrong to a free stay at the 20 Bars hotel. Problem solved.
Typical unionist. Adores the kingdom but hates all the different cultures inside of it.
Spain agrees.
Ehm, no? Nobody gives a shit if you speak your region’s language as long as you don’t want to use it as an excuse to secede. Think of Galicians, Asturians and Valencians
Catalan and euskera are somehow secesionist languages? That’s exactly what I was talking about. By the way, valencian and catalan are the same language. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valencian_language
Valencian is catalan
Tell that to a Valencian and they’ll rip your head off like if you just made a “paella”
And no, they aren’t “separatist languages”, but secessionists use them as a symbol of their goals like if a country couldn’t have co-official languages
Bet they’re also missing the heydays of the empire.
“What a lovely forest, pity there’s trees in it.”
Basically the English in a nutshell considering what they did to Ireland
As an Englishman , I disagree, most couldn’t give a flying fuck about whether the Welsh want to learn Welsh, only attention seeking wankers who like to stir up shit say shit like this. Fuck them
Unfortunately those pricks are the reason why outside of Football, waiving the red and white is embarrassing or cringey.
I also dislike seeing the national shame about the English flag, tending to opt for the Union one.
I mean the point is more that at one time clearly most of the English wanted that considering a system to defeat the Welsh language was created and adopted by your progenitors.
I’m not trying to defend the decisions of the government’s of old, but your comment reads like the English are all throthing at the mouth at the thought of the Welsh learning Welsh, when the reality is most English people know a Welsh person and for the vast majority of us there is no animosity towards the Welsh or their language. I’ve never heard anyone even talk about it negatively in real life, it’s such a rage bait comment and an opinion that only someone devoid of reality would make.
How can anyone hate a language where the translation for microwave is popty ping.
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How would you or I even know what my forefathers thought, the opinions of the common Englishman in the 1850s aren’t really popular reading. Hell, there’s a good chance some of my forefathers were Welsh and Irish anyway. The opinions of the commoner rarely reflected what the government’s of old decided, considering every man didn’t even get a vote until 1918 the government’s of old didn’t give a fuck what the common man thought anyway so there isn’t much reason to believe my forefathers gave a fuck whether the Welsh spoke Welsh either. I’d imagine they gave more of a fuck about earning enough to pay their taxes and rent just like the common man does now.
It’s clear you have some animosity toward the English, that’s fine. Have a good evening.
Well and the Scottish
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What a nice island you got there, sure would be a shame if someone were to create an artificial famine, innit?
Also the reason for the endless rolling hills in Ireland is because the British cut down all the trees since the Irish kept hiding in them to fight.
dead language
If people learn it, and people use it, it is by definition not a dead language.
This is some colonialist BS.
Resurrected Language might be a better way to put it, the Welsh that people speak today is mostly an academic construction (which also applies to French and Portuguese, that isn’t meant as an insult).
what do you mean about french and portuguese being academic reconstructions?
It does not apply to Portuguese.
Modern Hebrew is another good example of this. Possibly the most successful language revitalization project of all time.
For French it is an insult. Descriptivism is lame
Also, isn’t Welsh the Celtic language with the most native speakers?
Also, over half a million Welsh speakers exist in Wales, accounting for roughly 20% of the population. It’s hardly dead.
Well Latin is a dead language, people do learn and use it. But there is no new words, or evolution of the language.
Not really, there is an office at the Vatican charged with maintaining orthodox Latin, and they are also responsible for neologisms for contemporary concepts, so that they can weigh in on cell phones, hot dogs, or weapons of mass destruction.
One example:
“hot pants” -> “brevíssimae bracae femíneae”
I love seeing prpaganda campains fail publicly
FYI, here in North of France we’ve got a regional meal called Welsh, which is composed of a grilled slice of bread, ham or bacon, drown in a preparation of melted cheddar, Guinness beer, Worcestershire sauce and mustard. It goes with chips and a pint of pills. It’s part of our hangover medication. You can top it with a pan fried egg.
Here is a video (in French I’m afraid)
https://www.cuisineaz.com/recettes/welsh-complet-77338.aspx
Anyway, don’t mess with the Welsh or the North will come beat your ass.
It’s called Welsh rarebit and it’s plenty common in England too!
Well maybe, but with wayyyyy more cheese. The meal is closer to fondue than grilled cheese sandwich :).
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