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For the amount of hours a week I spent in Sync for Reddit and the price I paid then for removing ads, I feel that 20 euros is cheap to remove ads in Sync for Lemmy and would have paid more.
However I understand the price might feel steep up front for new users. An initial trial without ads for a short while might be a solution, where users only start to see ads after using it for a bit so they can test run the app without being disturbed by ads.
it really depends on what you value
Of course, it’s all relative and personal.
Yeah, if Relay showed up with an app for KBin and wanted $30, I’d give it in a heartbeat, but being a long time user, I’d also feel like it’s partially back pay for using it for years after only paying like $4
As it is, I’m really looking forward to Artemis launching and will probably do an equal donation of at least that much to its dev and to Ernest (/KBin social admin and /KBin dev).
The /KBin PWA isn’t bad for what it is, but god damn do I miss using a proper app. At least y’all on Lemmy have options!
I’m soso happy to pay $2/mo for Ultra, very cheap for what it gives me. Miles better than any other app, keep it up!
It baffles me the amount of pushback the $2 a month is getting. I guess it says alot about the demographic browsing Lemmy…I’m happy to support the dev. For the amount of time I’ve used on sync it’s 100% worth every penny.
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Is this a bot or something spamming the same message to anyone? Either way you’re being pushy, stop it. I’m going to block you.
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Thank! I’ll be sure to donate some here as well.
I can’t post or search on the app yet… It’s objectively the worst Lemmy app currently. I loved Sync for Reddit, but charging more for a product missing basic features is questionable.
Lol none of what you said is true.
You’re talking stupid for no reason
Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/umBW0Saa_WY
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source, check me out at GitHub.
You must be new if you’re surprised lemmy is mostly privacy and security conscious folk who prefer foss.
Valuing privacy, security, and FOSS doesn’t have to mean unwilling to pay for quality software though.
It does mean unwilling to pay for closed source software.
If that’s your mentality it shouldn’t matter whether the software is paid or free as in beer. I’m generally in that group, but I’m pretty pragmatic about using some closed source software when it’s non-critical to my life…
A Lemmy app where tons of alternative clients exist and everyone I’m doing is more or less public anyways… Yeah that doesn’t need to be free software.
You keep missing the point, I’m done with it.
They say behind a VPN.
Yeah, I trust the business model where their reputation depends on keeping my data private an order of magnitudes more than the business model that is literally selling it.
It’s not miles better than either infinity or voyager.
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Punishing us for asking for regional pricing.
As much fun as Sync is (and while I appreciate creators want to get paid)…
We’re talking like $15-30(!). That’s steep for a phone app. All this money stuff is pushing me back to Connect and Jerboa.
I wish Sync well. But I think I’m done with it already.
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Not the person you replied to but I don’t evaluate app prices in a vacuum. First I think of what paying actually gets me (e.g. no ads), then I consider how it compares to alternatives both free and paid. A paid app has to provide some value over a free app and an expensive app has to provide some value over cheaper apps. Furthermore if an app is priced such that I can buy 3-4 other apps while also being more expensive than any individual apps I’ve previously purchased then it gives me some pause.
Given how much time I spent on Sync with Reddit, I imagine the ultra one-time price ($99) will end up being a dollar per hour in a few months and just go down from there.
A dollar per hour for entertainment is generally a good deal to me.
While liftoff was the only third party I liked, I still think it was pretty unimpressive. It ran ok and that’s about it. Features were lacking, aesthetics are bad, some glitches. For me the $20 or whatever it is for sync is worth it. I’ve used reddit since 2012 and browsed exclusively on my phone, swapping between relay and sync. If you average that cost out, even considering the $5 or whatever it was to get rid of ads on Reddit, it’s basically nothing. The usage tracking is pretty shitty though.
EDIT: Ok I just saw the lifetime price for ultra, damn wtf lol. Again, averaging that cost over the ten years I’ve used the app means it’s still a good deal but fuck upfront that’s a lot lmao
It really should’ve been $50 for Lifetime, at most.
They are okay and did the job until Sync came out. But are no way near as polished as Sync, which has years of updates and development.
Yeah I’ve been using a lot of the available apps and while I had my favorites (Summit and Liftoff) there has always been little quirks that I’ve just been dealing with. The moment Sync hit my device it’s like I’m back to my reddit experience for the last decade. I’ll still keep an eye on the other apps, because I very much prefer and try to support open source developers. But I just can’t force a subpar experience on myself.
The Summit dev has been extremely responsive and has added in a few features I requested on a quick turnaround. They also happen to be out of town on a work trip this week so the timing probably sucks for them. And as I’m typing this I’m remembering that ones not even open source 🤦♂️.
It’s not open source, but it’s also not spyware or adware.
I’ll just wait, they are usable enough. If you want the Lemmy experience to improve, donate $5 or $20 for Lemmy (in-browser) UI development, which is still default for most devices and it very much sucks. (Part of it is lack of support for anything like cross-domain cookies in browser technology that would store what your home instance is so that you would be always redirected to browse from home but even without it there are problems.)
I like Sync so no thank you
Okay, I won’t push you from Sync. But if you have the money to remove its ads, please also consider supporting Lemmy directly or indirectly (Mozilla, among other things, funded the effort to find and patch TootRoot before it became a problem). If you don’t want to just donate, switching to Mozilla VPN will also help.
Summit.
I agree. While $20 could still be seen as reasonable - even though making it one of the more expensive apps, thigh I’m willing to go for it if Sync continues development -, the asking price of $100 for the lifetime ultra is insane. I’m not aware of any other app that is this expensive. Of course, you could argue there’s subscription apps out there that don’t even have a lifetime model - e.g. Adobe, Microsoft Office -, But these provide considerably more value as well and are huge corporations.
My feeling is - and I don’t have facts to prove it - that the developers of the large reddit apps (esp. Apollo) simply became used to the money making machine and want to squeeze as much as possible out of it.
While in the end it is entirely up to them, as there’s open source and free alternatives out there, I’m not too fond of this behavior.
Yes.
There are a lot of other apps for Lemmy. Some are not as polished as Sync – but some are. And none (that I know of, on Android) are ad supported. Most are open source and 100% free.
This is a money grab. People were so excited for Sync that they don’t want to call it a money grab. But that’s what it is.
🙄 it’s a small dev, who got shut out of the previous customer base they’d built up, and now has to rebuild with fewer customers (and fewer potential customers at least short term).
If your job lost 70% of its customers, I bet you’d be begging your boss to raise prices to avoid a 70% pay cut.
It’s not a money grab. It drives me crazy how much stuff people say is a “money grab”, “theft”, “a scam”, “predatory”, etc. Asking for money isn’t malicious, neither is asking for more money than you personally think is reasonable/makes sense for your finances, and neither is offering a freemium ad supported app (which is better than nothing if you’re not willing to pay with money).
Edit: and sorry if that sounds overly aggressive, but you definitely struck a nerve/peeve as of late. It just seems like everyone wants to be as dramatic as possible lately.
I see your point. And you don’t deserve to be down voted, as it’s reasonable.
I do think he’s pricing it a bit steep for what the market can bear. Maybe not. I hope he gets as much as possible. I just know that I am priced out and will continue to use Connect.
I’m sorry to hear that you’re priced out, and I think it’s fine to give pricing feedback like that. I just am sick of everything being “outrage” where someone “dares” to try to make some money in exchange for their effort.
I both wish you a better financial situation and that a shorter term compromise arrives where you can afford the app, or that you continue to be satisfied with Connect. One of the beauties of the fediverse is that it’s not an all or nothing thing, there are other clients and other ways to support folks and the community (even just being a friendly person, so props there).
If your job lost 70% of its customers, I bet you’d be begging your boss to raise prices to avoid a 70% pay cut.
doing so will result in losing the remaining 30%
That’s a farce; it happens all the time, revenue stops increasing from growing the customer base, so the prices are raised on the existing customer base to cover costs and keep things operational. Why do you think Netflix still isn’t $8.99, and password sharing is no longer permitted?
If you definitely know you can’t make enough money on 30% of 1,000,000 people, but you can make enough money charging 10% of 1,000,000 people a higher rate, you’re going to do that … because it’s your only option. There are diminishing returns to picking up new customers with lower prices.
I think that asking to be paid for your work is totally fine (albeit I myself made my lemmy app completely free and opensource, simply because its just my hobby project), but its a rather different story when you provide app for open source, nonprofit venture-free platform and start to inject ads and trackers into it. Its goes against the entire idea of free decentralised platform and makes it closer to profit-focused app like reddit/threads/etc imo
Ditto. I used to be a big Sync fan and used it for years as my primary mobile client for Reddit until 8-10 months or so ago when the dev did a ‘fuck off and be unable to be contacted while something in the app breaks’ break, which led to a bunch of ads appearing despite paying for no ads (and according to people on the subreddit at the time it was not a one time occurrence lol). I switched that day to Boost and didn’t go back, but I was looking forward to trying out Sync for Lemmy when it released.
All the privacy and pricing concerns the last 24 hours have brought forth does not make me wanna even touch the app lol. I’m not paying that much money to fucking browse a glorified forum on my phone (specially when there’s many other options).
Voyager is fantastic IMO. wefwef.app , it is a web app, it will even put am icon for itself on your phone so it feels just like a regular app. Works really great, and is really fast.
Voyager is also available at m.lemmy.world since I see you are using lemmy.world
Interesting, I had no idea, thanks!
What do you mean? Is there a distinction between lemmy.world and m.lemmy.world?
m.lemmy.world host a voyager instance preconfigured to load posts from lemmy.world.
It’s also available in the Android Play Store and will be on the iOS App Store soon.
It’s getting ridiculous everyday
What is ridiculous about this in your opinion?
It’s very steep since tons of reddit apps were more like $2 for the pro version.
I can see how that’s too low to be sustainable, but $25 is a lot more.Lemmy has a smaller audience, so it makes sense to charge more. And everything is getting more expensive these days anyway.
Reddit has a lot more users. Plus lemmy isn’t as stable a user base as Reddit.
Huh? It’s only been out for a day.
Where do you see that? I have not found this option at all.
It should be in the profile menu on the top left. Perhaps LJ is rolling it out selectively.
I bought it last night and it was half the price in OP’s screenshot. Either it has gone up, or again perhaps there is some A/B testing going on at different price points.
Thanks! Worked for me, was 21.99 Euro here.
i don’t think it is selective just update the app regularly
I can confirm the price with a bit of variation 21.99€ for me.
€18.99 here in Belgium. I would think it is adjusted now with local VAT percentages.
I’m also in Belgium and see €21.99
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The irony is, the price is going up instead of going down. How
isin the world he based his decision on pricing.I don’t have any skin in the game, as I don’t use the app nor any other, but the userbase for the Fediverse is like a hundred times smaller than Reddit at least. The same work on Reddit that could earn $200 is only going to earn $2 here.
I don’t know what the price should be, but it makes sense that it goes up.
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At some point of time , peopla got excited and paid in drove for Ultra. It signalled a good sign and that might fueled his decision to charge higher.
I nearly bought it, but the come to my senses of how pricy it is. I really like Sync, it’s the smoothest app out there. But, I’ll wait a bit long, and for Boost - to see how it compares in terms of features and pricing. I might be on a double exodus - first from Reddit and then from Sync.
BTW, I can’t reply to the other (kbin) user comment. Not sure if it is a bug. So I’ll paste it here.
You have a point. Anyway, by doing so he will only be targeting a very niche group of users of an already very niche market. The move will definitely help to satisfy the needs of this small number of users but I doubt it will help the expand Lemmy’s market. I expect, which I could definitely be wrong, Sync market share will become stagnant for the coming future. Other apps will learn from this fiasco and offers much more reasonable pricing models, which in turn will hurt Sync more… Just my 5 cent.
Yeah, i was ready to pay for one year ultra and then after 5 minute of use, i realized…wow, it’s barebone. It couldn’t even post! Not to mention not having 2 separate pinned icon, not having mod tools, not even able to view community, can’t see report, so on and on. If you’re an admin/mod, this mean you have to check with the browser ver for admin/mod stuff.
The price is this way because there’s a bunch of diehard fan blowing smoke up his arse in discord.
I mean, it is still in beta technically.
a VERY expensive beta lmao
Then don’t buy it. Or wait for it to move out of beta. Easy.
The price seems to vary quite a bit depending on the location. Probably something on google play’s end?
It’s been $33.99 AUD since it was released.
Typical for Australia though tbh, getting the shit end of the deal
Strictly speaking, everyone is getting the shit end of the deal. Reddit Sync was 4 quid, one off payment.
$37.99 NZD here
Inflation, duh.
WTF is this in CAD!?
So I just took a look because I paid 19cad for the remove ads option which was distinct from “sync ultra”.
I think part of what’s confusing is there was never previously a sync ultra lifetime price it was always just monthly or yearly. And sync pro was the lifetime price which was also out before ultra was a thing.
If you open the menu, above sync ultra is there a “remove ads” button with a more reasonable (lifetime/onetime) price?
According to Google that’s about 30.75CAD
The amounts are CAD. $134!?
Oh, sorry, I misunderstood - i though that was USD and you were asking how much it would be in CAD. My bad.
That’s for life.
…or Thunder, which is very similar to Liftoff. I use them pretty much interchangeably. Both are built with Flutter, have similar UX and performance and they work on both Android and iOS.
I’ve tried thunder, and the UI looks really good, but for some reason when I try to scroll up on a feed the whole list starts shaking, almost as if the posts on the top of the list are changing size.
This happens for me too. I expect it to get fixed rather sooner than later.
Meanwhile I just got Summit for Lemmy and it has the slickest UI in my opinion. It takes linger to find features, though.
So. Much. Better. I just don’t get the Sync mania.
And I don’t understand how people say the other apps are better, especially Voyager. I’ve used them all and they’re all a fraction of the quality of Sync.
Well… enjoy your ads, then.
I have no ads
Liftoff is buggy as hell and has terrible performance and UX, as does basically every other Lemmy client
I use it daily. No bugs and the UI is excellent
I tried both Liftoff and Thunder but I prefer Infinity.
Wait-. There is an infinity for lemmy ???
yes, typing from it right now, see pinned post in /c/infinity_or_lemmy
bit late but, liftoff doesn’t feel the same like sync, sync looks and feels like a native android app
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