• Infamousblt [any]
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      259 months ago

      Most “independents” are “libertarians” and never Trump Republicans so it makes sense

  • GeorgeZBush [he/him]
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    The fact that this headline even exists, that it’s presented almost casually, is proof that barbarism is the future.

  • aaro [they/them, she/her]
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    yeah I’m in favor of putting immigrants in militarized camps - the kind where we give them military weapons and military training to defend themselves against the evil KKKracker menace

      • miz [any, any]
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        229 months ago

        for me it’s because I love trains and hate driving, and even the most pedestrian-friendly American cities are still car-centric

    • Dessalines
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      149 months ago

      The population of rome eventually emptied out to 1% of it’s peak population during the roman empire’s long decline. People either died or left. If and when it’s possible, leaving is better.

  • FlakesBongler [they/them]
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    499 months ago

    And the Democrats, while not in favor of the camps, will gladly support them once the law has been passed

    Because that’s how government works!

    • Rojo27 [he/him]
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      I think they may just feel like “militarized” is problematic. They already don’t have a problem with kids in cages, especially after the Biden admin changed the name and painted pretty murals on the facilities.

    • Wertheimer [any]
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      119 months ago

      Historically, 79% of Republicans = 100% of Republican senators, and 22% of Democrats = ~80% of Democratic senators, so it sounds like this is on track to get Patriot Act numbers in Congress.

    • Infamousblt [any]
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      199 months ago

      It’s called bipartisanship sweaty maybe if you redfash tankies learned about it you’d build power more successfully good-morning

  • blobjim [he/him]
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    129 months ago

    can we see the over all breakdown not by made up American political groups media outlets always categorize people into. The only reason to split it by political party is to make right-wingers seem more important or popular than they actually are.

      • blobjim [he/him]
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        The whole framing of the survey is explicitly fascist lol. Or at least trying to find out how many people are fascists.

        While most Americans express concern about the economic burdens immigrants place on communities [CITATION NEEDED], fewer Americans believe that immigrants increase crime rates in local communities or believe immigrants are invading or poisoning the blood of our country.

        Nearly six in ten Americans (57%) say the growing number of newcomers from other countries burdens local communities by using more than their share of social services, including 86% of Republicans, 57% of independents, and 36% of Democrats.
        [Okay, what was the actual question asked here, because I notice they included “using more than their share of social services”. Was that a clear part of the question, or are they trying to pretend that Americans are hostile towards immigrants?]

        Around four in ten Americans (43%) say that immigrants increase crime rates in local communities; Republicans are more than four times as likely as Democrats to agree (73% vs. 17%).

        While few Americans (35%) agree that “immigrants are invading our country and replacing our cultural and ethnic background,” this view is held by 65% of Republicans, as well as most viewers of far-right news (83%) and Fox News viewers (66%).

        White evangelical Protestants (62%) are the only religious group among whom a majority agree that immigrants are invading our country and replacing our cultural and ethnic background.

        One-third of Americans (34%) say that immigrants entering the country illegally today are “poisoning the blood of our country,” including six in ten Republicans (61%), 30% of independents, and only 13% of Democrats. White evangelical Protestants (60%) are the only religious group among whom a majority agree that immigrants entering the country illegally are poisoning the blood of the country.

        Americans are divided on whether they favor (47%) or oppose (50%) rounding up and deporting immigrants who are in the country illegally, even if it takes setting up encampments guarded by the U.S. military. Nearly eight in ten Republicans (79%) favor putting undocumented immigrants in encampments, compared with 47% of independents and 22% of Democrats.

        These surveys are such nonsense. And lol at literally asking people if immigrants are “poisoning the blood of our country”. I also really want to see the literal questions they’re asking and in what order.

        It’s like they’re basically trying to goad Americans into saying right-wing stuff about immigrants. There is nothing in here about any positive impact immigrants have. There is nothing that gives the opposite narrative, despite the fact that the people with right-wing opinions are objectively in the minority of all of their questions. Of course a lot of the results are shaped by media propaganda and poll results like this so it isn’t to say that it isn’t gross that so many people would respond this way. But I’m still extremely skeptical.

  • Goblin [any]
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    129 months ago

    22% lmao. I know we know liberals are fash but goddamn that’s so fucked lol

  • Thorngraff_Ironbeard [he/him]
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    169 months ago

    I’ve met probably a dozen people who call themselves independent and when you get to know them they are indistinguishable from Maga dudes. I think it’s a way for people who don’t like being called racist/homophobic/ etc but fully support those policies to distance themselves.

  • GlueBear [they/them, comrade/them]
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    59 months ago

    Can someone actually post this article in the comments?

    I hate when these sites get linked without putting down the actual article because of the paywall.

    No I’m not interested in subscribing to axios, I just want to read the article.

    • Wertheimer [any]
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      59 months ago

      Poll: https://www.prri.org/research/challenges-to-democracy-the-2024-election-in-focus-findings-from-the-2024-american-values-survey/

      Axios summary:

      Forgive the formatting

      A policy proposed by former President Trump to round up and deport undocumented immigrants — even if it requires using military-guarded encampments — has Americans divided, per a new survey.

      Why it matters: The survey results come as Trump is promising to carry out mass deportations using a 226-year-old law that allows the federal government to detain “enemy aliens” in times of war.

      By the numbers: 50% of Americans surveyed oppose setting up encampments for undocumented immigrants, while 47% favor the idea, according to the annual survey from the nonpartisan Public Religion Research Institute (PRRI), in partnership with the Brookings Institution.

      Nearly 79% of Republicans favor putting undocumented immigrants in encampments, compared with 47% of independents and 22% of Democrats.
      The vast majority of Americans who most trust far-right news (91%) or Fox News (82%) favor militarized encampments for undocumented immigrants, compared with 44% of Americans who do not watch TV news.
      

      Zoom in: White evangelical Protestants (75%) are most likely to favor militarized encampments for undocumented immigrants, followed by 61% of white Catholics.

      Among non-white Christians, around 47% of Hispanic Protestants, 42% of Black Protestants and 33% of Hispanic Catholics favor this policy.
      39% of Jewish Americans and 32% of religiously unaffiliated Americans support the idea.
      

      What they’re saying: “I was pretty stunned at how many Americans, particularly Republicans and white evangelicals, supported this,” Robert P. Jones, president and founder of PRRI, tells Axios.

      Jones says the Alien Enemies Act was used just 80 years ago in World War II and there are people still alive who remember it.
      "So it's not unimaginable that it can happen again. This is not just rhetoric here. I do think it's one of the more disturbing things that we found."
      

      Background: Using the 1798 law is one of the steps Trump has mentioned as he talks about mass deportations and increasingly uses dark language about immigrants, calling them the “enemy from within” and falsely attacking their genes.

      The intrigue: The same PRRI survey found that the country is growing more conservative on immigration policy.

      52% of respondents said they favor allowing immigrants brought illegally to the U.S. as children to gain legal resident status — a 10-point decrease since the first time PRRI asked the question in 2018.
      In addition, 51% of those surveyed support building a wall along the U.S. border with Mexico — a 10-point jump since 2016, when the question was first asked.
      

      Yes, but: Many left-learning immigrant advocacy groups have been calling for a media blitz or change in polling questions to help Americans see how mass deportations would devastate families.

      Valiente Action Fund, for example, tells Axios it found that hard negative ads against Trump, showing how his policies would separate families, swayed some Black and Latino male voters who were previously supporting hard immigration policies.
      "We have to tell that story, and not let Trump define immigration for our country," Valiente Action Fund executive director Maria Rodriguez tells Axios.
      

      Methodology: The American Values Survey was conducted online Aug. 16-Oct. 4. The poll is based on a representative sample of 5,027 adults (age 18 and older) living in all 50 states and the District of Columbia who are part of Ipsos’ Knowledge Panel®.

      The margin of sampling error is +/- 1.82 percentage points at the 95% confidence level, for results based on the entire sample.
      
      • GlueBear [they/them, comrade/them]
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        59 months ago

        White evangelical Protestants (75%) are most likely to favor militarized encampments for undocumented immigrants, followed by 61% of white Catholics.

        I’m tired of Christians. All of them. Not all Christians, but always a Christian.

        Horrible people, all of them. None of them are good people.