Have I missed something? I feel like the NYPD is investigating this the same way they do every murder.
Sure, the media is covering it like crazy, but I haven’t seen anything to indicate that the NYPD is doing anything different than their norm. And the NYPD can’t exactly control what the news covers.
At worst they’ve been told, “hey, there’s a lot of scrutiny on this one, so give it a little extra attention,” but that’s not “millions of dollars” they they otherwise wouldn’t have spent.
They don’t typically immediately deploy helicopters, drones, and dogs when someone gets shot.
Have I missed something?
Nah. Just a bunch of terminally online living out their cyberpunk fantasy.
cyberpunk?
They don’t have press conferences, raise the bridges to stop traffic out of the city, put out (this many) ground units to question and collect evidence for every murder in New York. Not by a long shot. The location of the murder and identity of the victim are playing a big factor in this. Because coverage happened, they’re responding. If there were 270 news articles written about Non-Descript-Murdered-Citizen #6hey might give it the same attention.
There were 808 murders in New York in 2020. Did you see this response from those deaths, do you recall?
I mean, yes you’re correct on all points, but 2020 is a really bad year to pick. They kinda had people dropping dead all over the city to the point of mass graves. Pretty sure that might have stretched the emergency services just a teensy bit.
According to This, there were 29 murders in New York in October of this year. How many of those got the same treatment?
Have I missed something?
Yes, reality.
How’s this a meme?
The meaning of “meme” continues to drift. It’s almost synonymous with “post” now.
Maybe even to the point where it “means” “something that can be perceived with any sense”. It doesn’t mean that at all, but people keep using it that way so I guess at some point that is the new definition 🤢
Literally always has been.
You had to hit me with the word “literally?” 😆
I don’t know what you mean, though. “Meme” and “post” are two different words describing different things, even if they’re often related. They aren’t synonyms.
They are clearly trying to say that every post is a meme nowadays that it wouldn’t make a difference if you used them interchangeably.
Check the description of the community.
It’s meant to be an inclusive version of “whitepeopletwitter”.
Maybe it’s a good reason to reduce public spending in general. People act like public spending is a way to even things out, but in practice as the post evidences, the more we tax and the more the government spends the more wealth has actually been concentrated.
People fall into the trap of thinking of things in broad terms like “taxes good/bad” or “regulations good/bad”. There are benefits and drawbacks for each individual tax/regulation/policy/etc. What is clear is that the government tends to work for the benefit of the rich, which is a natural consequence of the influence of money in politics, and we certainly need to do something about that, but the system will be heavily resistant to such efforts.
Don’t worry, nuance and complexity are things you start to pick up as you get into your 20s :)
It surely matters how that money is spent. So a better solution would be to redirect some of the police funding to social programs.
Murica gonna Murica, what else can I say?
Don’t kid yourself in to thinking the same thing doesn’t apply wherever it is you are in the world.
Is your username a reference to rick and morty ahahha
Does poop not come put of your butthole?
theres a character called poopybutthole in rick and morty
Might as well be called Mr. Humanman
No, it’s Shakespeare.
Like it’s unique to America lol
See sinking of Bayesian yacht recently in Italy for example
deleted by creator
I think the word this person is looking for is “tragic”
Because the police protect capital above all.
If CEOs are dying there’s a potential negative financial impact, whereas unhoused people dying makes their job easier.
I’m pretty sure this is the only way for Reaganomics to actually work.
As wealthy people die, the wealth gets spread out and taxed (a little), so more people have access to spend it. Now we just need them to be more like musk and spawn a horde of children to increase this effectiveness.
trickle down is when i piss on thatcher’s grave
Holup. I am certain this is going to be very good for the finances of everyone, including police.
Dying unhoused people don’t effect the economy which is why no one cares … unless we can use them as indentured servants or outright slaves, then we could care more about them.
Slavery 4 Change
This. If you look very closely at police cars that say “Protect and Serve”, you’ll notice the fine print after that says “the wealthy”.
Barricade just looked around at US society and put the slogan on himself that made sense as a cop car. “To Enslave and Punish.”
I’m starting to think the autobots weren’t the “good guys.” At least in Micheal Bay’s Transformers.
Are people really acting like an assassination is the same thing as your everyday, meat-and-potatoes murder?
everyday, meat-and-potatoes murder
bruh
This is what living in America does to the brain
While I largely agree with you, the brain rot isn’t this extreme in all of us. The brash are already shouting while the measured weigh their words.
On here? Yes. Lemmy is very anti-capitalist, anti-rich, anti-buisness. So in their eyes a possible hired assassination of a CEO should be considered a good thing. Which is kind of ironic considering I hear a lot of folks on here say how CEO’s don’t do anything but collect money which in that case targeting them does no good since they didn’t do anything.
Personally I prefer assassinations over random killings. Cause no one cares enough to assasinate me.
Pretty gross thing to say. It’s like you got the point and said “yes this despicable moral failing is justified because it exists. Can’t argue against that. Checkmate!”
Feel free to explain how this is different than a poor person murdering another poor person for revenge
Do you really not understand the difference between assassination and murder, or are you just pretending to have a point?
We’re REALLY like you to explain the difference you see. Even if we think there is one, no one has any idea what you are talking about.
The difference is this wasn’t random, it likely wasn’t directly personal, he attacked by surprise, and the victim held social/political power and was otherwise noteworthy.
Why is half this thread acting like they’re incapable of opening a dictionary?
Why are you acting like there is a MEANINGFUL difference? The differences that you state are arbitrary. Who cares if it was personal or not? Murders are almost NEVER random, so what?
Clearly in your mind the difference between assassination and murder is not only obvious, but it is super important and relevant in some way that no one else here is getting. Assassination IS murder. SO what is your point, exactly?! Why are you so het up about what is really nothing more than a question of pedantry?? To the point that you are insulting the intelligence of everyone who doesn’t see things your way. It sounds like you have some kind of emotional issue with this.
I think you need to make a point about how this is more than “just” a murder, but possibly an attempt to influence the behaviour of other CEOs, or something like that.
Why would we have the word “assassination” if it’s just murder? The word was invented to fill a linguistic need.
While the practical event is the exact same, its implications to the currently living are distinct. Saying this is an assassination communicates that this murder is unique, and should be thought of in a different context than most murders.
The difference is this wasn’t random, it likely wasn’t directly personal, he attacked by surprise, and the victim held social/political power and was otherwise noteworthy.
Why should any of those determine the level of police response? Not why does it, we all know that. Why SHOULD it?
Feel free to explain how this was an assassination and not a murder
Pretty sure assassin roughly means person who you hire to kill people.
The difference is effectively one of motive and contract.
If I’m personally wronged by the victim and I personally plan to kill them myself, that’s first degree murder.
If I don’t leave the house intending to kill someone, but end up in a fight or situation where I end up intending to cause harm to someone (even if it’s protecting myself), and end up killing someone, that’s generally second degree murder.
Now if I’m wronged by someone, plan to have them killed, but don’t want to do it myself, so I set up a contract with a hit man and pay money to have a target killed. That’s assassination.
It’s an assassination because the dead person had way more social|political|economic power than the killer.
It’s an assassination because the dead person had way more social|political|economic power than the killer.
So… only bad power seeking people that cross those they have tangible power over to the point of vengeance.
Fuck, in this hellscape of corruption and captured governments world? I’m sold. You should sell the concept of assassination more often. You’re good.
Yeah, I’m not sure why the downvotes on my previous comment. “Assassination” is the “privilege” of the powerful.
I’m not sure why the downvotes on my previous comment.
Because apparently noting what makes this killing different from others means you love slobbing on CEO knob, or something. That’s my takeaway from this thread so far.
Assassinations are typically politically motivated. We don’t know what his motivation was yet, so calling it an assassination is jumping to conclusions.
You seem to be under a false belief of what defined an assassination. Is it an assassination every time a poor person kills a rich person?
If my neighbor pisses me off and I decide to kill him, is it murder or assassination?
Depends who your neighbor is.
How so?
Is your neighbor a public figure or somebody who holds significant power? Are there political or ideological motivations behind killing him?
So if I choose to kill my neighbor because of who he voted for, but he’s not a public figure or holding significant power, where does that land?
One is politically motivated? Or what is the “official” difference? One happens in public? But why should one be investigated with more resources than the other?
But why should one be investigated with more resources than the other?
Because there’s likely reason to believe that this CEO may not have been the only target. One usually doesn’t write a message on their bullets unless somebody is planned to still be left alive to get the message.
I mean, the assassin did leave over 99% of CEOs still alive, and hopefully the message will make its way there.
Nah, the message is on the casing, not the bullet. Though when youre as badass as this, I wouldnt be surprised if he could kill someone with a casing
Legally indistinct
Why is it weird?
Not asking why it is unfair, just why it is weird.
its weird seeing the facade crumble a little more
Why is it weird? This shit was always happening, you’re just now starting to finally notice it and wake up.
Any evidence for either number?
No, but you also never see a homeless man’s death make international news.
The police didn’t control the news though.
The ambiguity of your comment leaves space for the reader to guess whether you are blaming the police for their (alleged) comparative spending or blaming the journalists for their comparative coverage.
My intent was to convey that the existence of a media frenzy is not proof that the police are spending disproportionate resources on the investigation.
There was a media frenzy around the murder of George Floyd, but hardly any spending by the police in the investigation.
It is possible to state a fact without having evaluated it and pushing that as a narrative. I know it’s hard to imagine on the Internet but it happens with me all the time. People get really mad that you haven’t judged a fact and in the same way they have. It’s fucking annoying.
whether you are blaming the police… or blaming the journalists
They could also just be saying a statement without forcing blame on anyone. If I say the sky is blue, I’m not blaming the sky for having moisture nor blaming my eyes for perceiving it as blue.
Didn’t they raise bridges and try to create checkpoints all around the area? That never happens for anyone else.
I haven’t heard about that yet. An excellent counterpoint if true though.
But the NYPD doesn’t control the news? Like, that has nothing to do with how much their spending on the investigation as far as I can tell.
I guess my point is, society thinks it’s a big deal and news worthy, which means society also expects more effort in finding the killer.
Indisputably true and society’s moral failure on its own, but the OP is questionable.
Yeah dude, you’re the only one who thinks the power structure in this country is weird. Everyone thinks it’s good and normal. Even the killer never thought about that
RTO? How about DTO (Death To Oligarchs)?
Sounds french
Now the French really know how to do civil upset
So while I am sure the expense per person is more. Expense for rich murders vs poor murders is probably the opposite simply because of the difference in quantity.
I think the point is that “rich vs poor” should not be a distinction that matters when considering what resources to expend on the investigation.
If you start from that premise, there’s really no reason to compare what is spent collectively on the murder of wealthy people to what is spent collectively on the murder of poor people.
The comparison itself assumes as given that there is some reason to divide the victims in that way.
Remember about a year and a half ago when no expense or resource was spared to try to rescue a billionaire with a deathwish from the bottom of the Atlantic while AT THE VERY SAME TIME over 500 refugees that could have been saved, who were still at the surface, were left to drown off the coast of Greece.
The ship had been in distress almost two days before it sank, but help didn’t come until it was too late. How many might have been rescued with one-tenth the resources that were rushed to save the five billionaires and millionaires on the Titan?
This isnt a healthcare problem. This is a global crony market capitalist problem.
This is a class
warfareoccupation problem.Fuck valuing human life on the basis of ego score.
Doubt the US Coastguard is going to sail over to Greece though
Lazy bastards
I’m sure the navy doesn’t have any ships in that area with nothing better to do.
.
All capitalism is crony capitalism
I’d argue the allowance of passive shareholders is what causes the biggest problems. Shares of profits should go to active employees only, unless they’ve fulfilled the requirements of a pension, not entities that intend to collect capital while contributing no labor towards the products/services generating the profit.
Passive income should only be hard earned. The only passive income that should be legal should be after 20+ of laboring/supporting the means by which those profits were generated, so it cannot be gamed.
Not some random asshole leeches who don’t want to work showing up with chips from their last trip to the exploitation, insider info casino, demanding any, let alone all profit. People have to earn a living, it’s perfectly reasonable to DEMAND skin in the game in order to make money.
This doesn’t address the core issue of capitalism:
Owners in general (of businesses, housing, everything) get all the money, thanks to the opportunity to mercilessly take advantage of workers/renters/everyone else. And taking advantage gets you more money to take more advantage of people.
The passivest of incomes goes to the owners, the ceos are just the highest paid guard dogs of those people.
Is that ok? Passive income being much harder to earn for everyone, unless you are rich enough to start your own business, that is.
Are we not going to end up in the same situation? Isn’t it basically the same situation we’re already in?
I disagree, by untethering profit from the labor that makes the capital, innumerable problems arise.
Passive investors have taken to buying enough of a profitable company to make it self-destruct for a short term burst of profit that then kills the company, stuff like “sell all your real estate in own to lease agreements, give us the profits next quarter, then choke to death on rent after we sell.”
There’s no incentive to care about your product or service if you buy and sell for short term profit.
If this could happen at all, you could make rules about how much profit the creating owners can retain relative to staff. New businesses could come from employees, now making enough to have excess capital, to form new companies if they feel they can make something better, and the promise of passive income ONLY After they’ve worked there for appreciable time would create commitment to making good products and services again instead of figuring out how to trick consumers with crap for a quick score.
This whole mess is created because people with all effectively all the capital have no interest in an actual market of goods and services that benefits society, they live in a different, nationless world, it’s why they choke peasant schools and commons to cut their own taxes. Such people shouldn’t be allowed to make decisions for companies in a country they don’t care about. They should be restricted from it.
If Elon Musk really wants ownership in company X, for example lol, he would be more than welcome to apply to work there for a small but growing share of profit over the course of his employment share of the profits.
If he’d like to make his own company, he should be forced to take a reasonable share of the profits, tied to a non-insane multiple of his lowest paid employee, and if the employees, the shareholders, see he isn’t putting 40 hours of attention a week into running the company, they should have recourse to protect their interests they have skin in from him.
New companies should be formed solely by laborers with an idea getting together with honestly earned money. Closer to a cooperative model. The idea of infinite growth needs to end decades ago as it’s making people suffer now and is on track to destroy the planet. We need equilibrium. Growth should be measured, or it is a danger. We need to go back to condemning rather than cheering people who wish to pursue extreme wealth, as that’s as antisocial a goal as “I’d like to set lots of buildings on fire.” People used to know that, but we’ve been propagandized to see greed as virtuous “rational self-interest.”
I firmly believe the capital markets are what have detached any semblance of humanity from commerce. They must be destroyed. Labor is what matters and thus should be what capital is tethered to, gambling is a vice for entertainment.
But we can’t even get our most leftwing, lol, party to do anything, not even healthcare. So this is all a pipedream. It will eventually collapse under the weight of its own corruption, but until then, this place is a dystopia.
