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there’s no way to monetize lemmy, right?
just making sure i’m on the right liferaft…
there’s probably a way to monetise everything but with the numbers of Linux people (yes we know you use arch shush) and anti-capitalists, i think we’re safe?
Just don’t get too attached, Reddit was Digg’s liferaft… Once Thing go to shit, move on.
This site isn’t going to get popular enough to worry about. It’s large, sure, but people go to reddit because the sheer volume of users means your chances of catching breaking stories or real contributions by witnesses to events, is just much higher, there’s more of everything, and this is why they want to bleed it dry.
Well, that’s the death of the free* forum. Went from BBS to newsgroups to phpBB to Reddit, each soft-killing its predecessor. But like WalMart killing Main Street, Reddit is going to kill the free forum.
Thank goodness for Lemmy and other free* social network software.
*free with the asterisk because we know it’s not free, we are enjoying the service that others volunteer to pay for.
Lemmy will need ads to support individual servers, eventually, when they’re not attached to another org (like a server CNN would run for just outgoing news dissemination). The rest of them, with bills and needing to eat, may need to go to ads.
I support proper ads that do not get priority placement and aren’t in-your-face.
I support prioritization of profile migration so we can vote with our feet if a particular server’s ad volume and content offends our sensibilities.
But I’m just saying I fully expect some ads are gonna happen, and I hope we can prevent full enshittification when that happens.
No, it will never have ads. If the devs put ads in, it will get forked. If server admins put in ads, they will be defederated. That’s nonnegotiable if you want a free (as in libre) fediverse.
Mastodon is way bigger than Lemmy and it doesn’t need ads. Donations and subscriptions (for severs that choose that path) are enough.
Seems like a bad time to be introducing such a thing in the immediate future when European users are already seeking out alternatives to US tech giants and US users are losing their jobs and facing rising grocery prices.
Wait REQUIRING?
so if a sub gets popular enough they can just say “pay wall.”
i think they will have a youtube/patreon type thing going on, free content on youtube, while thier patreon gets"exclusive content"
Yes let’s put a site that consists pretty much entirely of user-created content behind a paywall, what could possibly go wrong?
Quora did it. I don’t go there anymore.
was Quora ever good? I joined the internet in like 2019 and it’s always been garbage to me, did I miss its golden age?
Anecdotally, I remember using it for answers to things about probably business, government, and certain how-to’s. I also remember when the pop-over banner started covering up half the answers and that’s around the time I stopped.
Here’s a post discussing quora from Dec 2018.
all philosophical views aside, there are some really core issues that got me to stop using Quora and unfortunately the case to stop using it is made by the site itself:
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The content quality has deteriorated significantly since the site’s inception. The content is far cheaper than before and far less interesting in very obvious ways.
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Moderation systems have not done a good job of growing the site as a community. The site has lost the character that drew many people to it in the first place.
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The machine learning models terribly over-fit to user signals, creating a frustrating experience.
These 3 core issues with the site are what got me to gradually stop using it as someone who was initially an early adopter.
thank you for the explainer, this is very interesting. seems reddit is following along this path lol
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Time to move on over here I guess.
Paywall forum, what can go wrong ?
It’ll be the porn they charge for.
They know only wankers will give them money.
What’s funny about that is Reddit is mostly just an advertising front for onlyfans at this point
This will be good. They will eventually drive everyone away!
Reddit has been shit since 2014, some would argue since its inception. It never properly replaced serious forums that specialized on their own niche, like PC hardware, gossip, cars, or whatever. The subreddit replacements always felt like lower quality EVEN THOUGH Reddit mods are (in general) more trigger happy than those running proper forums. The astroturfing, the deception, the lack of respect for its users, the UX dark patterns, it has all been getting worse and worse. Some haven’t gotten the memo yet, that Reddit serves no one but itself, it’s a cancer.
dictionary
astroturfing = “Public relations tactic using fake grassroots movements” (used by, among others, corporations, politicians (remember the Trump 2016 campaign on Reddit?), and governments)
UX dark pattern = user experience dark pattern = “A dark pattern is a design feature that subtly encourages users to perform a specific action.” (like Reddit’s “Howdy paddner” error if you use a VPN so that they can de-anonymize you)
The amount of hatred I feel when I’m on my PC using a VPN and trying to look up something on reddit since it’s first in search results.
I can totally relate to what you are saying.
Just remember, when the barrier to entry is low then the quality of participants declines.
Edit: I just realized that I should have specified an intellectual barrier. In the case of Lemmy that’s the minuscule technical understanding or research ability needed to sign up and get on an instance. It’s amazing how just that tiny obstructions helps keep out the dumbest of Reddit users.
When the barrier is monetary, are you really getting the best folks?
A quick visit to Twitter would make the answer abundantly clear - no
service that owes its popularity largely to its low barrier to entry signals higher barriers to entry
cool! please do.
The whole reason reddit became as popular as it is now is because of bots in the beginning. The founders admitted as much.
and bot is the reason its still active, i think i read a reddit post about how most of the bots on the site are from places like RUSSIA, sowing dissent with thier troll farms. it make sense since reddit isnt doing much to removing much of those bots, instead targeting people like us and OF FANs. as soon as they did thier usual purges of bots, which include some from RU, reddit because eerily quiet and non-engaged(nobodies raging about what the other party did in alrge numbers), and the well known conservative subs, are silent. until the troll farms reorient thier trolls to come back. its easier for them to evade bans, because of thier resources. on some posts that were discussing it, reddit doesnt do enough against them.
In the great reddit to lemmy migration of 2023, a lot of users complained about the lack of content and engagement on lemmy. A number of lemmy moderators who came from reddit basically said the same thing and that they were working on deploying bots over here.
It looks like they did make some progress as there is a lot more content than there was 2 years ago. However, SOOOOO many niche subs just do not exist over here yet. Including most of my favs.
I am not that interested in linux or computers anymore.
i was looking at subs on here that were some of the ones i frequent on reddit, yea its a deadzones in some of the niches, no content for a year, i think alot of them went back to reddit. the ones that stay are usually the ones that get banned from reddit. the ones that are currently evading bans are on another forum(not associated with lemmy or reddit, im in one of those sites)
Some subreddits, like r/Watchexchange, where Redditors “buy, sell or trade watches,” according to the subreddit’s description, are centered on transactions. Huffman said the fact that users are already “transacting on Reddit kind of opens the door” for such monetization.
“Hey! How dare you exchange things with each other without giving us a cut!”
To be honest, this is actually a genius move when it comes to NSFW content.
Almost every pornographic sub has already been astroturfed by e-girls plugging their OnlyFans and Fansly links. Giving them the ability to paywall their content directly on Reddit effectively cuts out the middle-man and allows Reddit to undercut the likes of OF and Fansly with lower transaction fees.
Well I think we’re gonna see another influx
Same, just got fed up about all this bullshit and degoogled every device in my life, as time passes we get more and more exploited by these giant companies.
Yep, hi, here am I. Usually I think news like these are fearmongering for clickbait, like those old “Facebook is going to be paiiidd!” (As if “being free” wasn’t at the very core of its appeal and selling point) but reading the room this day and age I don’t think I’d be that surprise if a change like that did happen to Reddit. The only good think about this shitstorm of an age is that it made me find the fediverse and I will never forgive myself for not caring enough to find it earlier.
a few days ago i saw how r/redditalternatives has only “lemmy bad!” posts and i know for a fact folks here have been spreading the word about lemmy in a positive way so don’t blame yourself, reddit has been actively censoring any good thing said about lemmy or the fediverse in general
i looked marginally deeper into this and it’s apparently all the way to shadow bans :) link
Oh, so that’s why I saw some post about reddit alternatives and the person replying had to mask lemmy. Oh wow.
seems like its posted around the same time reddit started banning people in large numbers.
Yea, I’m one.
one of us one of us
Can confirm. That’s why im here. Figured I’d just jump earlier with the whole avoiding US companies vibe too.
