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    There’s no radio, no Bluetooth, and no speakers of any kind beyond for those required to play basic warning chimes.

    Many will consider this a cost-cutting step too far, but the interior was designed for ease of upgrading, with easy mounting space for anything from a simple soundbar to a full sound system.

    There’s an integrated phone mount right on the dashboard, but there’s nothing stopping you from bringing something even larger. I expect the low-cost Android tablet and 3D-printing communities to have a field day coming up with in-car media streaming solutions.

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      If only that money wouldn’t be partially going into the pockets of Bezos, it would be amazing.

      And while easily replacable panels and such are a good thing. Having the mounting screws exposed like that is a horrendus idea. Because I suspect I know what much younger and very drunk people would do, based on the Mercedes hood ornaments I have in a box somewhere.

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        I don’t really see a downside to this, so why not line Bezos pockets if he is providing¡g a sane alternative?

    • @[email protected]
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      343 months ago

      This is 100% it.

      All I want is a modular car system. Everything modular. Dashboard. Body panels. Whatever. I want 3+ cars possible on one frame, and to not need anything more than basic tools to swap parts around.

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        Gm said they’d build a sled drivetrain that they could just plop bodies on top of but that never happened sadly.

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          Wonder why? Seems to me like a money printing machine for them, the factory and non- factory repair shops and the aftermarket.

          Unless it’s seen as a way to hide your car from illegal activities, which well now that I think about it is probably the reason they didn’t follow through with the idea.

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            Probably a balance between it would make it cheap for them to produce, but also bring down the barrier to entry for third party manufacturers to compete with them.

          • @[email protected]
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            It’d cannibalize part of the market for their higher-priced offerings. Same reason Toyota dropped Scion and GM dropped Saturn.

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      You know, I like the design. If I can take a wrench to it and customise it or repair broken stuff easily and for cheap, even better.

      The range is kinda meh, but for working in remote sites, bringing a diesel generator is already par for the course, and that bed looks like it fits a lot of stuff.

      No stereo sucks though.

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        I’d build a mount for my DeWalt speaker that I’m already taking to my job sites who cares about a stereo

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        63 months ago

        I often drive long distances for work, and I NEVER listen to the radio. All my listening is through headphones off my phone. I even keep a spare pair charging at all times. Not only does it sound a million times better than any crappy car system, it’s far easier to take phone calls. I hate holding my phone while driving. It’s also easier to hear the map navigation lady.

        • @[email protected]
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          23 months ago

          Your car just has a shitty sound system in it. That experience is in no way representative of most vehicles. I drive almost 200 miles a day.

          • @[email protected]
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            I spent much of my career in the music business, with a significant portion in the audiophile audio business. ALL car stereo systems are a shitty compromise to real high quality audio.

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              I used to have a 2006 Dakota quad cab with a better sound system than most living rooms. There is a reason car audio is a giant market. I can’t even take you seriously.

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                It’s a giant market because people spend a lot of money on it, mostly being loud. Loud is not the same as high quality sound.

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          What the fuck?! Why would you ever drive with headphones?

          Driving with headphones is illegal in most, if of not all of Europe, for what I though were rather obvious reasons…

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          All my listening [in my car] is through headphones off my phone.

          This is unsafe at best. Illegal at worst.

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            Nonsense, how is it either?

            Too loud? I’m a musician, I value my hearing, so I don’t play anything too loud. I always use earbuds, so I can always hear emergency vehicles. Besides, I’ve heard plenty of car speaker systems that were loud enough to block out sirens easily.

            Illegal? In what way? In states that have banned holding phones, they encourage hands-free phone calls. If speaking on the phone is considered a distraction, then why isn’t speaking to another passenger, or listening to music? Both would be just as distracting as a hands free call. Modern cars all connect to a cell phone automatically, and take calls through the speaker system. If it’s illegal, then why are car companies allowed to install them as standard equipment? I don’t use that system only because I like the audio quality of my ear buds far more.

            By your logic, sound systems and phones in cars should just be totally illegal.

            Edit: Wow, I thought there were a lot of judgemental old ladies on Reddit, I expected less on Lemmy. Time to ban sound systems and passengers because we can’t have anybody getting the slightest bit distracted. I don’t know what the problem is anyway, in my city, the traffic is so bad at any tine of the day, that nobody can drive over 25 mph, even on the highway.

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              Headphones are considered like ear plugs. A tendency to block out surrounding noises like horns and sirens.

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                I use earbuds, not headphones, but use the terms interchangeably. I don’t have any problems hearing emergency vehicles. If you are using them so loudly you can’t hear sirems, then you are going to go deaf soon anyway, and by your logic, deaf people shouldn’t be allowed to drive, right?

                And whether you can hear properly or not, it’s still not illegal.

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                  Looks like it’s illegal in 17 states, some with various exemptions for using a single earbud either for anything or for select purposes only.

                  Depending on the earbud/phone design, even if off they can really reduce your ability to hear the world. Sure playing an open stereo too loud can have a similar effect, but it’s much easier to drown out things when your ear is stuffed or fully covered, without some sort of audio passthrough system.

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              In most states that don’t have specific laws about them its considered distracted driving. I wouldn’t wear them because it opens you up to legal scrutiny if you do fuck up while driving. Insurance will throw you under the bus the moment they can prove you had headphones on.

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              It’s often illegal to have headphones on both ears.

              I don’t know why you’re trying to claim it shouldn’t be illegal to a random internet stranger. Most things that are illegal shouldn’t be, but the HOA types that care about rules are also the ones who want to fuck rules so bad they get into positions of power. So if you want to fix it, go be a rule fucker. Or Luigi the rule fuckers.

              It’s a lot easier to block out emergency sirens at normal volume levels vs the stereo where you have to have already lost your hearing before it’s loud enough to block a siren. The counterpoint to this is when the siren is actually in the music, which is why I don’t listen to certain rap while driving anymore.

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                Only 6 states ban headphones in both ears.

                I’ve driven hundreds of thousands of miles, and never had anyone question it. I’m not stopping now.

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                  Its illegal to drive with headphones in most of Europe. You can use a one-ear headpiece to make calls, but not full blown headphones.

                  This, along a bunch of other rules that I’m sure you think are absolutely stupid, are probably why so many Americans die on road accidents when compared to the rest of the world.

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                  Sounds pretty often to me. Thanks for confirming my understanding of the laws was correct.

                  I too just checked, it’s illegal in Florida, NY, and California which covers such a vast swath of the us population I don’t need to look up north Dakota to know that “often illegal” is a fair description.

                  It’s not illegal in Texas (last of the big 4 states), but neither is shooting a girl scout in the face because she made you “feel unsafe”.

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            I spend a lot of time in traffic, and this is very very common. Usually younger drivers, I have android auto so it doesn’t interest me. Cops don’t seem to care

    • @[email protected]
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      93 months ago

      Hell yes, take my money. As long as it’s not a limit and manages to keep its range and I can get parts fuck yes

  • @[email protected]
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    243 months ago

    Sign me THE FUCK up, have been looking at 90s danger rangers to sate my small truck fix but so many of them have a car-looking front end.

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    Fucking FINALLY.

    I’ve been waiting for a small pickup like the old 90s 4-banger Toyota. And this is electric, simple for function, and actually affordable?

    Capitalists must be seething. If it doesnt have leather interior, 19 speaker surround sound, and cost 80k, get it out of our country! /s

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      Relatively affordable. It is 20k after the federal discounts and kick backs. Meanwhile, the Chinese EV market has been making cars as low as 4k. https://greenspeedx.com/cheap-electric-cars-available-in-china/

      I’m not a pro China person (because one time in Ark, a Chinese team kept destroying my thatch base), but they seem to have the things. Apparently Mexico is aiming to compete in the EV market as well.

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        America used to have the things as well but then there was a civil war and it got banned.

      • SeaJ
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        If by “the things” you mean underpaid labor, then yes.

      • @[email protected]
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        You might ask yourself what it is that allows them to produce and sell a brand new vehicle for $4k, basically the same price as a high-end PC or a couple of high-end smartphones.

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          Mostly automation and sensible regulations. Also direct to consumer sales with third party dealerships not really existing for new cars. Also generally a lower cost of living allowing for lower wages and thus lower labor costs for the non automated parts.

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            Why is it that China is the only country on the planet able to sell new vehicles for this cheap? Surely other countries have automation and sensible regulations too.

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              They genuinely aren’t, Muerza in South Africa and a variety of other local brands across Africa and Asia have cheap cars.

              China cuts it down further by completely subsidizing education and opening vocational schools near factories that specialize in what those factory owners need, allowing hyper specialization. When you have an entire neighborhood able to produce all the parts of a car, instead of importing parts from across the world and assembling it like us car manufacturers do, you’re able to massively cut costs.

              All manufacturing in china takes this approach of having almost enclaves of specialized knowledge and factories, and is genuinely an engineers wet dream to work in since you can get any part you could possibly want the same day, even if you just designed the part yesterday.

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          I dunno. Isn’t that what we need? Gov subsidy to increase the adoption of ev?

          We might hit the Jevons paradox pretty hard though.

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        Even Europe has a tariff for EVs from China due to government subsidies. So it’s probably not 4K, but it’s also probably less than 25

    • @[email protected]
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      Capitalists must be seething

      Capitalists funded this, that’s one the benefits of capitalism, if the market is only offering pricey crappy products that people don’t enjoy buying, theres an opening in the market that can be filled with a company selling people exactly what they want and need.

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      Small gas-powered trucks are effectively illegal in the US.

      It’s regulation made in response to automakers calling everything a “light truck” to get around fuel economy and emissions standards in the 90s and 2000s.The straw that broke the camel’s back was the PT Cruiser being classified as a truck by Chrysler.

      So, starting in model year 2012, vehicle fuel economy standards started being based on vehicle footprint. The side effect was that small, powerful vehicles designed for moving cargo more efficiently or in tighter spaces than large trucks were impacted. It’s why 2011 was the last year model of the old Rangers, S10s, Dakota, etc.

      That’s why the new Rangers are larger than the old F150s. They have to make them bigger to meet CAFE standards.

      Same issue hit the small cargo vans in 2021/22. As the CAFE standards went up, it became impossible to meet fuel economy standards for the NV200, Ford Transit Connect, and Ram ProMaster City compact cargo vans, so they were all discontinued.

      New York City was changing its whole Taxi fleet to NV200s due to their flexibility and accessibility options, and now can’t buy new ones because a Toyota Camry has less-strict fuel economy requirements.

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        What are the Maverick and Santa Cruz classified as? I think they fit the small or light truck category, if they are categorized as trucks at all.

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          A Maverick is a light truck in much the same way a 737 is a small plane. Sure there are bigger ones, but it’s a 4 door truck with a 4 foot bed that’s high enough to make loading and unloading harder than it needs to be. It’s twice the weight and almost twice the size of a 70s/80s Toyota Pickup, which is a light truck.

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            A Nissan Hardbody is one of the small trucks people keep complaining aren’t made anymore.

            Dimensions of the 4 doors variant: length 5.1m, width 1.8m, height 1.7m

            Maverick dimensions (biggest model just to prove the point): length 5.1m, width 1.84m, height 1.76m

            It’s the same thing with all trucks, compared to the equivalent model (i.e. not comparing a 2 doors with a crew cab like the anti truck crowd loves to do) modern trucks look much bigger but it’s a design and height thing more than anything, their length and width hasn’t increased that much, especially if you compare with cars of the same model over the same period (1985 Civic sedan vs 2025 Civic sedan for example).

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                I’m saying the difference isn’t a big as what some people pretend when you’re comparing the same versions.

                Short box regular cab vs long box crew cab, that’s what people usually use as a comparison to prove their point even though it makes no sense to do so.

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                  It does make sense, as regular cabs cannot be bought on new trucks. All of them are crew cabs, decreasing their utility and increasing their weight and size.

                  As far as the general argument. Look at the headlight and start height of a Ford ranger in 2002 vs today.

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              I own two mavericks, it’s a fair comparison. They only look small because of the size of today’s vehicles… in the 1980’s you’d see most of today’s lifted trucks in a monster truck rally.

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                Oh yes, that part is obvious. I was more curious where “twice the size” came from, especially if comparing a four-door truck to a two-door single cab which I’d argue isn’t a fair comparison. Although, they don’t make the maverick in a single cab do they?

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              …park a maverick next to a nineties ranger; the difference is ridiculous…

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          Light trucks, which means less CAFE regulation. Same classification as crossovers (why crossovers are so popular).

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            That’s not accurate. “Light Truck” also includes a crew cab F150 with an extended bed that requires a Sherpa to enter. The Maverick and an F150 have the same standards, but weighted based on vehicle footprint.

            But the Maverick standard model is a hybrid, so it meets CAFE standards.

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          Hybrids meet CAFE.

          But their towing and carrying capacity versus the old Rangers and S-10s is pitiful.

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        That’s why the new Rangers are larger than the old F150s.

        If you’re comparing a crewcab Ranger to a 2-door F150, sure, but that’s not really a valid comparison.

        Comparing equivalent configs tells a different story: every crewcab F150 is taller, longer, and wider than a new crewcab Ranger. The 10th gen and earlier (pre-2004) F150s, which are shorter than 11th gen+ F150s, are still bigger when compared to the Ranger in equivalent configurations.

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          People can’t seem to figure that out, to them a truck is a truck is a truck even though they’re the vehicles with the most variations in size for a same model built the same year.

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      Yeah, I’m pretty hype for this. It’s got just the basics of what’s needed, and if you want to mod it with upgrades you can.

      I only wish there was a way to make it AWD/4WD, and if there was a way for it to tow a little more weight, then it’d be perfect.

      As it is now, it’s still a very compelling concept that I might get into as outside of towing, it solves all the things I need a truck for.

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    No stereo is a bit spartan, but definitely a move in the right direction regardless. I want one.

    • @[email protected]
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      I’d be surprised if people couldn’t put in a simple and cheap aftermarket deck and a couple speakers, which would only be around a couple hundo. If these things are easy to work on so you can install it yourself, even better.

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      I don’t care at all I almost prefer that. I have a Bluetooth headset I wear 90 percent of the time anyways.

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        You should not be wearing anything in or on your ears while driving.

        • @[email protected]
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          The rise of headphones that allow you to hear the outside world while wearing them is gunna make that law obsolete

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            Make sure you say that to the cop while he writes your ticket

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              You know whats crazy? I’ve been practicing a lot recently, and I can take off my headphones in less than a minute. I know that’s absolutely insane and kinda unbelievable, but it’s true. Maybe one day it’ll even be so easy it only takes a fraction of a second to take them out.

              One can only hope!!

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            it’s really not though. it’s way easier to just not put on headphones than it is to put on headphones and prove you had them in pass through sound mode

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              You make it seem like someone would put on their headphones just for the ride. They would have them on already before hand. And they would keep them on afterwards.

              Especially in a vehicle that doesn’t have a radio

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                why would we make driving rules surrounding that exactly one vehicle doesn’t have speakers and some headphones have passthrough?

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                  Yes, cause we know for the rest of history this will be the ONLY car that does this. Technology never follows through with removing stuff like other have.

                  On a side note, how’s your headphone jack doing on your phone?

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              I think they meant open ear style headphones / earbuds, not closed ear ones with pass-through function.

              Personally, despite having a pair of those, and they are great, I still prefer using the car’s speakers while driving, but that’s me.

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          Id prefer to at least have the slot for one as an option. I grew up with professional aftermarket sound systems in cars (thanks for the tinnitus, dad) so it just wouldn’t feel right to me.

          That and android auto. There’s nice options for head units with screens last i looked.

    • @[email protected]
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      Every smart feature a vehicle *doesn’t *have is a selling point for me. I want my car to be dumb as a boot.

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        Yep, the more software it has, the less I want it. And I’m saying that as a software engineer.

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          Nothing made me want to distance myself from technology more than going back to school for computer science.

          …well that and all the fascism espoused by tech CEOs.

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      After reading the article and the website, I can’t find anything that explicitly says there is no network connection built into the vehicle.

      The instrument panel is a screen, and will be used to display the backup camera video. There is some computer capable of handling video processing and displaying the instrument graphics - so more than just low-level electronics to handle the battery and drive control. It could have built-in GPS, it could have 5G, it could still be collecting and sharing data on driving habits &etc, it could be subsidized by that on the backend. Just because those functions aren’t displayed to the end user doesn’t mean they aren’t in the system.

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        Hoping it doesn’t have tracking 🤞

        If they also make a 4wd version in the future then this would basically be the first new car I’d consider buying.

        Edit: I emailed them and they said it doesn’t have any data collection at all.

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          The vehicle will absolutely collect data, but likely won’t be transmitting or collecting personal data (which is mostly done within vehicle infotainment units). It’ll be stored within the hardware which is much more preferred but I’d still consider that “data collection”.

          Most vehicles have an Event Data Recorder (EDR) which records and stores vehicle data in the event of a collision/abnormal operation above a certain threshold. They’re mandated in many countries. You can connect to these systems, some easier than others, and get vehicle data such as vehicle speed, accelerator pedal position, brake activation, changes in velocity, yaw rate, steering wheel angle, steering wheel angle rate of change, ABS/TC activation, number of ignition cycles, odometer readings, etc. Newer vehicles with enhanced safety systems (of which this vehicle doesn’t sound like it’s intended to have) can provide even more data including but not limited to proximity to a target object and camera images.

          It’s not data in the sense of personal or tracking data, but it’s still data.

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        Everything you describe could be handled by a single ESP 32 module but they probably do have much more computing power than that.

        Other articles seem to indicate that it would need you to use your phone to perform updates on the onboard computer.

        I guess this doesn’t preclude the possibility of other types of embedded surveillance.

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        Oh yes I was not commenting on any of that. Data privacy and the reliability of computer hardware and software over time are separate issues.

        I was just speaking from the basic-level user experience of operating a vehicle- touch screens are terrible. Pretty much everything you want to do in a car should have 3 requirements:

        1. Keep your eyes on the road. Controls need to be in consistent locations and have some other way of communicating what they are and what their status is non-visually. Dials, knobs, buttons that lock in-or-out, switches, levers, sliders. Anything close together needs to be differentiated- buttons with different textures, shapes, or resistance for example. This is very difficult and almost antithetical to touchscreens. The strength of the touchscreens is their flexibility- they can have deep menus that re-use a small amount of space efficiently, but the trade-off is that they need the user’s vision to work.

        2. Non-visual feedback to the user for their activation. Touch screens CAN do this with haptics and sounds. And there are physical inputs where this can be a problem, like regular buttons or knobs with uniform shapes. Levers, sliders, switches, and dials have this as inherent properties

        3. Response time. Touch screens on vehicles are usually underpowered and seem to take seconds to register an input, then apply it. If the music changes and is suddenly way too loud, it’s annoying to be subjected to that for 5 seconds while navigating the touch screen and waiting for it to work, in contrast to a regular old volume potentiometer that operates basically instantly. Really any music or audio controls can get really annoying with delay, though I’ll admit those are a luxury. Things like the lights are not.

        4. Not a requirement, but cars should be judged on whether these things FEEL good. Touch screens have improved slightly over time with better materials and haptics, but that only applies to higher-end ones and still isn’t great. Cheap physical inputs can suck too, though they are usually still better than touch screens.

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        I dont mind a secondary 8" screen for things like navigation as long as there is no control over functionality of the vehicle on said touch screen.

        My 2016 Veloster has a perfect balance

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    You know what… Give me an option for a bigger battery, and ensure that replacement batteries are going to be available for a while, and I’ll definitely look into it.

    • TimLovesTech (AuDHD)(he/him)
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      The article says they will have a 240 mile battery upgrade available at some point, that can be done at some yet undisclosed service center (article assumes a car service chain).

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        Sweet. Hopefully those batteries will also be manufactured and sold for long enough for me to get at least one first party replacement, before having to deal with third party vendors.

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    Yes, please!

    We need a wider range of vehicle prices on the market. I bet a lot of people would go for barebones models for cheap if they had the option.

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    The kei truck comparison seems apt. This seems like it’s for people who need a runner for their ranch or farm, or local town handyman work.

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      One of my neighbors has a kei truck and I want one so bad.

      Like, I love the functionality of a pickup, but they are wildly impractical for everyday use…not to mention the…implications

      Something cheap enough to be an auxiliary vehicle, that can carry 4x8 sheet goods and 12ft boards without much hassle would be awesome though.

      As it is now, we have two cars (A VW Passat (sedan) and a Honda Odyssey (minivan)). The minivan can carry 4x8 goods and 12ft dimensional lumber, but it requires removing the middle row. Kind of a pain in the ass. It’s rather uncommon to need both cars at the same time (but still comes in clutch, pardon the pun, when we do need it)…generally the sedan is for solo trips and the minivan is for family outings. I’d replace the Passat with a kei in a heartbeat.

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    183 months ago

    This is a truck I’d actually feel comfortable driving. Unlike those gender affirming, semi truck adjacent, embarrassing pavement princess trucks that you see everywhere now.