“Oh this? It helps me focus on minding my own fucking business.”
Ooh, pithy, I like this
Who do you think prescribed me these drugs, stable genius?
some people aren’t there for a conversation, but are just waiting for the right moment to say the thing they want to say to get the brain chemicals they reward themselves with once they say it.
get the brain chemicals they reward themselves
Damn. They should probably see a doctor about that and not take drugs.
That makes sense. Sometimes common arguments, advice, and old ideas get shared ad nauseum around social circles, like moldy old memes that everyone, except them, is tired of hearing. One person says stupid idea with conviction, and others listen. Now when someone else repeats stupid idea around the first person, they know they’ll be agreed with - it’s an easy way to get that dopamine hit and strengthen a social bond. Others in the group then start to think that stupid idea is important for them to also believe, and the effect snowballs, as more of them share stupid idea with others - expecting to be agreed with.
People keep doing this, over and again, never once examining the words they repeat. This leads to people who confidently say ignorant crap like, “You don’t need medicine, you seem fine to me!” despite the fact that they’ve only ever seen you after you’d taken your medicine. It’s likely someone in their social circle put that idea in their head once, and they never critically examined it because it’s easier and more rewarding to simply repeat things without thinking about them.
Some people online do that too. Arguing for a dopamine rush, whilst saying the same thing as the arguee.
High five for you and everybody else here. It’s like one of the 12 Rules for Life, assume that the other person knows things that you don’t. Remembering that rule tames the racing thoughts and helps me to listen effectively for a few moments. It holds relationships together.
You just described 90% of what goes on in social media
Best way to respond. Are you? Learning impaired.
See a doctor
Done.
Don’t take drugs.
But… the doctor said…
Why are you listening to doctors?
But… you said…
No, see, if you visit a doctor, you’re cured.
Can I just walk in the waiting room and read a couple magazines for the same effect?
According to this person, probably.
Since the person said, one should SEE a doctor, the magazines need to contain a picture of one. But then everything should be cured asap. 👍
Not in the U.S. In a for-profit system for health care, you can’t be Officially Cured™ until you’ve at least paid a co-pay.
(Additional bills may arrive months later; in the meantime, you’re granted temporary permission to be healthy.)
I can hear this image
What part of prescribed adderall do u not understand?
Also, it should be pretty obvious they’ve got adhd if they’re not going batshit coocoo after taking it, they’re fucking amphetamines.
I took speed once with a friend and he was completely off the rails, I didn’t feel anything. Is that a bad sign?
Nah, you’re cool
Could be, yes. People with ADHD respond to stimulants differently to how NTs do, it usually has a more calming/relaxing or focusing effect.
Scientifically, I think (based on all the huberman ep’s I’ve listened to) it’s cuz it makes up for our lack of dopamine receptors helping us perform tasks, and our minds act like a NT’s, and since an NT’s dopamine levels are normal it sends them into overdrive and makes them hella overstimulated.
Dats why when NT’s take addy recreationally it makes them go mental, cuz it’s basically a controlled version of speed. I don’t do blow but I know certain man with ADHD who have and they tell me it knocks them out, like a sleeping pill.
My understanding is that the ADHD brain activity resembles an NT’s when they’re extremely tired or sleep deprived, with a lot of theta wave activity. Stimulants can help jog an ADHD person’s brain into alpha and beta waves, which are associated with relaxation or alertness and focus.
It’s a bit of both with a healthy dose of “we’re not sure”. We know that ADHD brains don’t regulate neurotransmitters properly and that the theta vs beta waves are different, but there are a lot of other mechanisms we don’t understand.
Another great example is guanfacine. It’s primarily a blood pressure medication, but it also improves emotional regulation for ADHD patients. We think it improves connections in the prefrontal cortex, but we ultimately don’t have a solid understanding of why it actually helps.
I started taking guanfacine because I’m at Adderall max, which is way too low. I have been taking it for a over a month and I can’t feel any difference.
I have to take my meds an hour before I have to get up because it makes me so exhausted.
I take the BEST naps right after my Vyvanse kicks in. Usually only for 20-30 minutes, but it’s very restful.
Then I pop up and have normal energy levels.
I stopped taking Vyvanse and went to Adderall for this reason. Always made me so sleepy and I can’t afford to be nodding off at work.
I so think I can help everyone focus to an extent, but for NT’s the side effects are usually not worth the trade off, whereas if you have ADHD, you may choose to take the side effects for the benefit of the medication.
In comparison to the benefits, it’s hard to even consider the side effects. All I get is that my appetite vanishes and I don’t require 12 hours of sleep per day. As long as i force myself to eat there are literally no negatives lol
The only bad side effect for me is that if I have anxiety, then it can make the anxiety worse.
This orange tube is full of NUNYA BIZNESS!! Good.day. Sir. Isaidgoodday. Arrgh, this triggered my anxiety so much. If I see one more person putting oregano oil up their noses to cure all their ills… x5 deep breath x5
Isaidgoodday
That’s the one quote I still like from that 70s show.
May I interest you in some apple cider vinegar? Or perhaps colloidal silver?
Would you like a free session with my magnetic wave machine? I was asked to use it on show pigs! * That’s a quote *
[Hey, don’t question my love for ACV, you homeopath]
Hell yeah, I’m trying to turn my skin blue.
Eiffel 65 would like to meet you.
You should invite the Blue Man Group too
“Have you tried [holistic bullshit]? It worked great for my [barely an acquaintance] who had [unrelated issues]!”
It’s more fun when it’s your own mother trying to sell her MLM holistic bullshit. No mom, I don’t need your snake oil pills, I needed a therapist.
My mom: you don’t need therapy; all a therapist will do is tell you everything is your mom’s fault
(Spoiler: I did and they did and it was)
Acceptance of the ways my mom failed me is a step towards detachment from her and healthy processing of my traumas. [That’ll be $15,000 USD. Worth it at twice the price]
Yeah. I started therapy for “anger management” (I got so frustrated at unmet needs that I bent a fork in half at a restaurant, which caused my still-boyfriend to urge me into therapy).
Two months in, my mom visited and was flagrantly awful in ways I couldn’t emotionally repress. That helped my therapist zero in on the real issue and forced me to recognize it as well.
My pocketbook is poorer but my non-relationship with my mom is much healthier. Oh! And I now am much better able to recognize my unmet needs and meet them before I bend a fork.
That’s awesome.
Way to go with meeting your needs! I know how hard that is - my mom also trained me to put myself second, and treats me as an extension of herself. I recently (within the last year) realized that not only do I not reach out for help when I need it, but I don’t even recognize when I need help. It took my old manager seeing I was stressed and saying she wanted to help me, but that she’s “not a mind-reader” and I have to actually ask her for it, for me to step back and realize that my approach isn’t typical. It turns out I’m so accustomed to having to go through shit entirely by myself, that the thought that somebody else might be able to help doesn’t even occur to me.
By coincidence, guess who dismissed me as a child anytime I went to her for help? Yep, dear ol’ Mommy, telling me shit like “you’re just too sensitive” and “the bullies won’t remember [that awful rumor they made up and are currently spreading against me] years from now.” Mmhmm, surefire solutions right there that definitely demonstrate concern and understanding of my issues.
Why yes, I am still bitter, why do you ask?
Thanks and I’m glad you’re on a similar journey. Well, not glad you had to start the journey, but glad you’re progressing on it.
I have grief for the mother I didn’t have, but it’s ok.
It’s such a shame how the word “holistic” has been co-opted by the woo-woo brigade. The concept it’s meant to represent, which is simply “the idea that the whole is more than merely the sum of its parts,” makes sense on its own, and is applied in legit medicine.
However, the word has been associated with snake oil so much that it’s hard to take it seriously anymore. I was in my mid-20s by the time I learned the actual meaning of the word; until then I assumed it was akin to “homeopathy” or some other garbage.
To riff on what you said, I think in the US 9/10 people think homeopathy refers to home remedies and traditional medicine. Because it seems like the word home is in there. I try to explain to people that homeopathy really is and their eyes glaze over like I’m telling them some conspiracy theory. I hate that shit so much.
God that is the absolute worst.
I think I forgot to take my guanfacine last night…
I was on guanafacine forever, and it never helped. Does it do anything for you?
Chiming in here.
Guanfacine was a miracle for me. I couldn’t tolerate stimulants and while the initial fatigue was significant, my focus improved significantly and quickly. Not as suddenly or dramatically as a stimulant (which I was able to take after a couple of years of guanfacine, I was in bad shape at first).
I still take a small dose as an adjunct along with a stimulant.
I don’t think so. I tried atomoxetine first and it also didn’t help so far, at 25, 40, or 80mg. At least the guanfacine is not giving me any noticeable side effects. The atomoxetine caused me to exhibit more hyperactive symptoms (I’m Primary inattentive) for the first two days but then went away; I did feel cold in the afternoons and I also developed some mild erectile dysfunction ( went away when I stopped taking it). I think next stop will be a stimulant, not sure what I’ll start with. I’ll have to stop taking edibles because they’ll need me to take a drug test first before I get a stimulant rx
“No you may not”
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I get people’s intentions behind this, ignorant though it is. I think medicated ADHD folks get a little defensive about it too though. I took adderall and then vyvanse for about 15 years total. Now I don’t take anything for it; I meditate and do THC recreationally (which was how I discovered the ADHD in the first place.)
I don’t think medication is bad, I think it helps people live they way they feel like they want or must. I realized that I was caught up in the hustle trap, taking meds to optimize my brain for the purpose of being a better capitalist worker.
I actually really like my default state. I’m extremely flexible and creative, I get a mix of tasks done, and my emotions are well regulated. On Vyvanse I got a lot of work done, but i was also a rage zombie, and I was prone to falling into “productivity mode” where I could hammer out line after line of code that was all boilerplate or data entry, other easy work to focus on. The kind of thing my ADHD brain would force me to find an easier (better designed) way to do the task if I wasn’t medicated into docile compliance.
So I’m not an advocate for either way: treat your mind the unique way you need to. But i really think the majority of ADHD folks are medicating themselves into acceptance of a broken and diseased system, when our brains have already been adapting to the actual needs of our information-overdense society.
I’m happy your way is working for you!
But many people take medications outside of work or unrelated to work. Unrelated to anything about “the system.”
ADHD is a spectrum of experience, and many feel that their executive dysfunction prevents them from doing what they want to do.
Not to spin the cog of the machine, but to listen to their loved ones in conversation. To remember that their child needs to be picked up in an hour, and to remain cognizant of the passage of time. To remember that idea they had about cooking a fancy dinner for their family, and follow through.
There’s an increasing number of hobbyists and experts who recommend taking medication as needed to support the life you want to lead, rather than the job you need to live. To finish projects that you love, to plan ahead for events that you are excited about, to keep moving in the direction you want, rather than spinning in circles.
I’m glad your way is working, but to suggest that most people take medication because of society is offensive. Especially because, yes, many neurodivergents - like many neurotypicals - are living cogs in the machine, and that’s terrible, but they still need to eat and feed their families.
🛐 This is the way to the revival, friends hallelujah keep it goin 👏
I’ve started only taking my meds one day a week on the weekend. Partner and I both want a cleaner house but I am mess blind when not medicated.
Work, work is varied enough to keep my attention. I don’t need my meds for work, just for home. One day a week seems to be enough to make progress towards a more functional home.
Can I have your spares?
No, because I no longer have a prescriber. They decided to not refill my antidepressants without telling me, then I had to scramble to get a refill through my primary care doctor (or go cold turkey off of my meds, which is a Bad Plan with my specific antidepressant).
So, what I have is what I have until I find a new brain doctor, which isn’t happening any time soon because ADHD.
Also something something don’t share prescription medication.
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Prescribed is the key word here. How fucking stupid do you have to be to miss it? Person is probably a royal hater in all things.
It’s because coworker used to buy Adderall in college so they think of it as something cheaters use.
How fucking stupid do you have to be to miss it?
D.A.R.E. and similar anti-drug propaganda of the 80s, plus the more naive naturalist movements of the 70s-00s, really pounded in the idea that any kind of medication is bad for you.
Curiously, however, you don’t see people chasing around the CEO of the company for taking heart pills.
Hope you liked that era since we’re going right back to it again
As someone who went through the D.A.R.E program, I can see that, but man. Growing up and experiencing the real world should have opened some eyes, lol. Maybe I put too much faith in humanity.
It’s not humanity that’s the problem. It’s a very narrow selection of people who have an interest in misinforming the rest for their own profit.
Wonder if that person maybe has some kind of a problem that makes it difficult for them to concentrate and focus their attention when someone is talking to them or something and they just totally missed the detail about the medicine being prescribed. Maybe they need to see a doctor about it.
“Yes, here’s the name of my doctor on the side of the bottle. Feel free to call her and give her your wisdom.”
