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deltachat is awesome
IRC and forums as well to a lesser extent.
Much much lesser. IRC has basically died to successors. Everybody still uses email sometimes.
IRC is mainly a thing for hardcore 2000s re-livers and lobste.rs users nowadays lol
Forums are still banging around however. Lots of places still use them, and thank god for that.
Not so much though.
There was a moment when forums were the only kind of community but now forum use is dwarved by discord and reddit.
Everyone has to provide an email to make an account somewhere, if they don’t do the whole integration with Google/Facebook/etc
IRC is still a pretty strong backbone for Twitch chat. At least it was a couple of years ago.
Also Usenet. Still around after decades. As long as people are hosting news servers, it will stay. The original decentralized protocol.
I haven’t figured out how to host my own news server.
Is there a resource about how to do this?
I still have a weird email friend who refuses to chat over any apps and I totally can respect that. :)
cool of you to keep in contact with them :) i have always wanted to do this but i know it would isolate me and inconvenience others just to communicate with me
This is why I kind of hate microblogging platforms. This could just be part of a conversation, but shown of context every post is turned into a soundbite and takes on levels of faux-profundity that they can’t possibly support. Yeah, email has been around forever; so what?
What faux-profundity is on display here? Sometimes people just talk. Sometimes this includes observations. Kinda like what you did with your comment. I don’t understand why you’re bringing hate to a tea chat, but I suppose it can be good to get off your chest.
I need an alternative to gmail for creating new email accounts. Any ideas?
OutLook? I’m still rocking my Hotmail address LOL
Get a cheap hosting plan. You’ll get a domain, several mailboxes and you can mess around with services like Nextcloud
Unfortunately, that doesn’t work anymore. Even assuming you have the technical skill to avoid making your server into a spam relay the moment it’s turned on. Which itself isn’t easy, even for seasoned IT people.
The major providers are Google, Outlook, and Yahoo. Even if you don’t use one of those, you’re going to be sending to people who do. To combat spam, they check your domain and see if it has a track record of not being a spammer. A brand new domain on a brand new host has no way of establishing that track record, and the email will bounce.
You can get a track record by hosting your domain under an existing service. There’s no way to bootstrap it on your own anymore.
Just get a domain from a normal provider. It will work.
No, it will not. If it works at first, it won’t for long.
My online community SDF was founded in 1987, four years before Tim Berners Lee invented the web. They are so old that their FAQ still refers to email as “Arpanet email”. Guess what? Emails from SDF don’t reach Big Tech servers. I’m positive that the beards of their admins are grayer than mine and they will have tried to tweak every nook and cranny available.
What are we left with?
You cannot set up a home email server.
You cannot set it up on a VPS.
You cannot set it up on your own datacenter.
You can totally go to Hetzner, GoDaddy or other hosting providers, get a domain and send mails to Gmail.
No, you can’t. Read the blog for why you can’t.
you seem to have me confused with the IT linux wizard type lemmy. I didn’t even understand half of that sentence
Tuta (formerly Tutanota) has worked well for me.
Mail has the big advantage of being totally cross platform. And it works, basically everywhere.
All the application protocols were supposed to be cross-platform! It’s something the corporatisation of the net undermined to an extent
Have to put every damn thing over port 80 (well, 443 now). HTTP(S) was never meant to do this shit.
JavaScript was originally designed to have cute little interact able things and to talk to a server.
Not whatever nonsense web devs come up with this week haha
Reality is everyone has an email, and everyone will keep having an email. My 10 year old has an email so they could sign up to epic and steam. You basically need it to use the internet at all. So of course it will survive.
Outside of business though, when was the last time you sent an email to someone you know?
My ex emailed me from a new account when he thought I’d blocked him everywhere else. I hadn’t, but I did after that!
My mother uses email for nearly everything. I’m 31 now, but in high school she’d email me from the basement that dinner is ready.
Just last month I received this… we chat on WhatsApp and phone calls regularly as well.
That’s cute. She treats it like writing letters or maybe postcards given the length of the message.
I feel like that’s what email should be. More than texting, less frequent than chats, record keeping, quick little updates on life, etc.
Texts are for either unimportant things or emergencies, an email is like a news report after things are stable or a state of the family update. You send it out when the details are worked out so it’s easy to reference. I hate when family plans happen in emails, I don’t want emails between 10 family members and their responses to how we’re going to eat at Grandma’s. Text me, then when we decide how we’re gonna do it send an email with the final decisions to everyone.
I forwarded tickets to my wife. But for “normal” communication I emailed the city about a citation they gave me for my yard.
Work Accountant Lawyer Contractor Community org
Yeah basically just for transactions, management
I work in B2B IT support, and email is designed to be very async, and for the most part it still is. What I can say with certainty is that business folks expect email to be instant like synchronous platforms are… It’s not, it never will be… It’s gotten about as close as it can be, but it is not, and will never be, instant delivery, no matter how much they want it to be.
check out deltachat! it’s still email, yea, but it feels instantaneous
No thanks. I want email to be email. If I want to chat, I’ll use another application and protocol.
The old internet was a crucible for robust software. Slow, small, unreliable, the very protocols that send data over the wire and through the air had to build in all kinds of fail-safe features to even approach usefulness. From this we got things like email (POP & SMTP), internet relay chat (IRC), and the world-wide web (HTTP). Things used to be so bad, that these technologies endure as extremely over-built in the modern era. And if things get worse, it will keep working as it always has. They’ll probably stick with us because of that.
E-mail barely hanging on between spam, broken HTML and an oligopoly of providers.
Yeah email is one thing I don’t bother to run on my own server, because all the oligopoly providers mark unknown servers as spam by default, so you can’t send emails to anyone anyway…
Sidenote: Remember when having an email address was enough, you didn’t have to have a fucking phone number as well? Stop trying to de-anonymize the internet, you’re making more problems than you’re solving
or at least fill out the online forms for us
why put it on my web browser since they have us all pretty pretty pretty pegged my friend
They’re not trying to solve any problem beyond their own, potential resistance to false authority.
They will never willingly do it. Email marketing works very well compared to the money and effort companies put into it, and so does SMS. They will use every trick they can to get you to signup for one or both while avoiding being labeled an illegal spammer.
FidoNet was the gateway drug.
It seems like a category error to compare email to Discord or Slack. The latter two are distinct companies and not protocols.
You’re right in theory, but in practice the point is that email survives because it’s not a closed, proprietary protocol.
Unfortunately I don’t think the issue is quite so simple. We used to have open chat protocols that were slowly strangled by big tech until only their solutions remained.
I think the biggest problem is simply user apathy, if users cared more we wouldn’t have the whole US green/blue bubble problem
We kind of still have IRC.
Irc is still great. I feel there is more tech channels then social channels nowadays tho.
Only tech people know about irc I suppose.
Because it’s not as user friendly, but it could be. Things like KiwIRC or IRCcloud make it easier, but it could be more socially focused. Fuck if I had money I’d do so many things just for the fuck of it.
I don’t know what’s unfriendly about it. It’s as plain and simple as can be.
And even instant and encrypted when using https://delta.chat/
its pretty cool
