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The key reason is that we just don’t have enough people on the admin team to keep the place running. Most of the admin team has stepped down, mostly due to burnout, and finding replacements hasn’t worked out.
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Thanks for your time. Take care of yourselves.
The sad reality is that while there are a lot of great people on Lemmy, there are also some who use the platform to attack others, stir up conflict, or actively try to undermine the project. Admins are volunteers who deal with the latter group on a constant basis, this takes a mental toll. Please understand why our admins chose to step down, and be kind to the admins on whatever instance you decide to join.
I’ve noticed this a ton over the last two or three months. Lemmy has become so much more negative than it was when I joined. It’s a real bummer. I can’t even imagine trying to be a mod or an admin.
My instance constantly gets attacked for being a “pro genocide nazi instance”. Which totally is not the case, but admins and mods are trying to ensure that no content is posted that is illegal where they live. And local rules here are also quite sensible.
How often do those laws actually get enforced, especially for small online communities who are against genocide? Like I understand not wanting to run afoul of the law, even if the law is immoral, but is it a realistic risk?
Difficult question. I think it’s realistic. Hate speech laws are enforced against individuals on a regular basis. If a German instance tolerated illegal content, then I expect the instance would sooner or later be involved in a prosecution. The prosecution would be against the user, though. The instance would only have to provide data to police. I’m not sure at what point the instance owners themselves would be found to violate these laws.
Apart from that, the instance is required to remove illegal content per the DSA. I think it’s realistic to expect that a prosecution would lead to a closer look at the instance.
First of all, telling admins that they should break the law and face legal risks and fines because you want it is exactly what the Lemm.ee admins are talking about. Burning out, problems with replacements and so on. And second: We are talking about content in the style of “Israel has to die, kill all the jews” and yes, people get prosecuted for that. And you really do not want stuff like that on your instance, even if your country allows it
coincides with the ban purges of reddit of recently.
I don’t know if it was that short term, but I’ve always been rather concerned with the sharp degree of hostility and even outright hatred that seems to be tacitly accepted or encouraged.
agreed. the honeymoon period post-reddit-exodus was nice but this place is just like everywhere else now.
you wouldnt get randomly banned here as you would on reddit, which i found out from the shadowban sub, even looking at your account wrong can trigger a ban.
Yeah I was bored the other day and opened up a niche reddit community and I was just floored at how positive everyone was versus the same community here. But I digress I imagine it’s going to be phases and I’ll continue to try and be positive.
name the communities lol
Looking at the ratio of my downvotes I guess here haha.
I’ve thought about how to respond to your comment for a while. I don’t want to “out” some niche communities here for being toxic. That just perpetuates the problem I’m complaining about. So instead a non niche example are the Nintendo and video game general communities here are overwhelmingly negative compared to their reddit equivalents.
It’s still quite a lot nicer than reddit, even if it has its share of unpleasant characters. Whenever I read a reddit thread I am glad Lemmy exists.
It’s the normal amount of suck that is inherent and not the turbo suck that corpos intentionally cultivate for profit
And at least the average Lemmy user isn’t a complete fucking idiot.
I remember the early days of reddit, when we would make fun of the kids over at /r/SummerReddit every June. But then those kids grew up, took over the website, and now /r/SummerReddit is all of reddit.
I remember discovering Digg first and then reddit, and noticing how on reddit, back when it was Digg’s less glamorous knockoff, people didn’t comment unless they really knew what they were talking about. It was a pretty sensible and erudite site for a while. Then Digg nuked itself and reddit was forever changed.
I was there! Started on Digg after Kevin Rose mentioned it on The Screensavers (TechTV), joined reddit shorty after.
2006-2009 was peak reddit. Then after digg’s suicide, it was the beginning of the end.
And now he’s is trying to bring it back. I wish him the best of luck. Don’t fuck it up this time, Kevin.
And at least the average Lemmy user isn’t a complete fucking idiot.
Please, allow myself to introduce… Myself.
Hi. My name is TachyonTele.
Fascinating how quickly you can forget the actual abuse when thinking about an abusive ex.
I mean if you’re someone new and then inundated with terrible news every day because you’re still getting the hang of moderating your feed by yourself, you’re bound to carry negative attitude everywhere else.
reddit can, have been, and will continue to be angry right leaning, and here it’s the opposite. I get it, there are matters worth being angry about. but surrounding yourself with it just makes it pointless
Based on the uptick in “I was banned from Reddit” posts, I’m thinking that we’re getting a lot more users that were banned for good reason from Reddit. Looks like Reddit has also stepped up their game in their ability to keep those users off their platform.
i visited the sub for shadowbans occasionally, i noticed alot of them were getting banned for no reason at all, so theres that to keep in mind, as long with the purges.
and then you got the ones that are the problematic ones: they are banning me because of my opinion, you know kinda which way they lean on the spectrum.
reddit also bans very indiscriminately as of the last few months, to cull thier numbers its intentional.
Oh that’s an interesting thought that I hadn’t had.
Hopefully we aren’t becoming the containment board.
I think that is just an effect of growing, or at least not shrinking and sticking around. There is ni point in spaming somewhere where there are no active users.
This always going to happen when a small group of people are going to try and the communications of a much larger group. They cannot scale and the more they try to keep up, the more tgey will cut corners and take easy, lazy decision.
Instead, everyone has to participate in community self-moderation. It should all be transparent and optionnal. Local sorting algorithms showing users what they ask to see.
Having a secret vanguard operating in the shadows is not acceptable,. Not only ut hurts them until they grow big enough to be the efficient secret police but then it creates an underlying organization of control shaping discourse on the entire platform.
The way forward is NOT to be reddit with extra steps.
probably with the sudden increase of lemmy.ee users from reddit who were part of the ban waves since the beginning of the year, many of them are rightfully banned for spreading pro-israeli, russian backed and right wing propaganda. along with innocent users that were unceremoniously banned.
I haven’t been following Reddit events since I left a couple years ago, but if there have been recent ban waves for bad behaviour, it wouldn’t surprise me to see corresponding upticks in it here.
I wish more of us spoke up against rudeness, confidently incorrect ignorance, combativeness, tribalism, brigading, and other such stuff when it rears its head here. If all of us participated in moderation, I suspect it would be more effective and make our mods’ lives easier.
besides the rightful bans, thier purges were quite different this time around, many of them were banned for no REASON at all.
People were being banned for up voting posts that got removed.
Managing a federated network comes with a lot of responsibility.
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It’s not just federated networks. It is anything with user interaction. Managing and moderating any sort of sizeable social media site is a lot harder than people think.
it’s why I said no to a discord server that I am chronically online in. I don’t remember what was the active user count back then, probably just 100. the admins offered a mod position because I’m a good boi. I know I’ll get angry at the slightest thing. but i always managed to stop kyself from posting angrily off the cuff. I am not fit to moderate strangers, even if their familiar strangers. dunno how I’d do with a smidgen of power.
I couldn’t imagine the stress of moderating even larger network
Oof owie, my instance
Shiiiit. What’s the easiest way to migrate all my communities quickly???
Go to your settings, and scroll down. Theres an export to json option. Just save it, and then you can imprt that file in your new account. Super easy.
Figuring out where to go is a little harder though.
Just switched and it was buttery smooth
Only bad thing is it doesn’t migrate your posts and comments. Thankfully it does migrate your saved posts!
It doesn’t migrate any posts or comments.
Oh wow I didn’t realize that settings export included communities. That’s great.
Consider moving them to PieFed
It has powerful mod features that Lemmy does not
I really like the “Feeds” feature of PieFed, it allows anyone to combine all of the different communities into a single feed. It really makes browsing something like “Technology” a lot better.
Are Lemmy apps compatible with piefed instances?
Yes, all content is shared
Sad to hear this. I liked the people I’ve met from lemm.ee and the hands-off approach to defederation that the instance had.
double edged sword unfortunately. this allows ml and hexbear to infest the instance with thier users.
That’s depressing news, but I get it.
Any suggestions on alternative instances?
lemmy.zip would be my recommendation.
Interesting. What do you like about it?
Great admin team, public finances, reasonable rules, good defederation policy, data is hosted in the EU.
Thanks!
The original lemmy.ml
Unfortunately, I had to move my community from there after some admin started interfering with the content.
Thanks for all your work, you ran a great instance and I appreciate all the effort you put into it
I have mostly just lurked here and wanted to come out of my shell to say thank you, admins, for all your hard work on this instance. You did a great job running this instance and I’ll miss being the goblin hiding in the corner here.
Best of luck with your next endeavors.
We’re in Lemmy.world but I’m sure they got the message.
Hey Realtalk you ought to fuck right off
hey, real talk. if the users weren’t so obnoxious maybe the admins wouldn’t be burnt-the-fuck-out…
You realize that with a federated system they’re not just handling their own users right? They could defederate from the servers that host users causing issues, but that also means all of their users cannot interact with all those communities, without a choice. Lemmy currently only provides a sledgehammer when they really just need more fine tools.
Exactly this. lemm.ee wasn’t ever really into defederation either.
Unlike you, right?
That’s a pleasant idea: best ways on going about that?
What happens to the communities there? Is there a way for them to automatically migrate to another instance?
The content will still be visible on other instances that were federated, according to their post.
You have to migrate your community to a new instance, and notify the users about its new location. Old content from lemm.ee will remain accessible.
That is sad to hear. Thanks for the all the work admins.
D:
I was here for just a few days but thanks for providing the service
