How is this not bigger news?
How is this not bigger news?
- https://kstp.com/kstp-news/top-news/speaker-emerita-melissa-hortman-husband-killed-rep-john-hoffman-and-wife-also-shot/
- https://abcnews.go.com/US/2-minnesota-lawmakers-shot-targeted-incident-officials/story?id=122840751
- https://www.axios.com/local/twin-cities/2025/06/14/minnesota-lawmakers-shot-targeted-attacks
- https://www.mediaite.com/media/news/leaked-trump-dhs-memo-warned-of-attacks-like-minnesota-shootings-just-months-ago/
- https://apnews.com/article/minnesota-lawmakers-shot-d7983e1e4f1a7573a487cab1a98cd172
- https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2025-06-14/minnesota-gov-tim-walz-former-house-speaker-melissa-hortman-and-husband-killed-in-politically-motivated-shooting
Thanks, I was looking the sub and all the top posts I see where about the protests, Israel v Iran, and the orange man’s ego parade
Yeah, there’s just a lot happening right now. You’d think this would at least rise above the ego parade, but :shrug:.
It raises above. Any news needs time to spread.
It’s on Frontpage CNN and The Guardian.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/13/us/video/florida-sheriff-warns-protesters-we-will-kill-you-digvid
Tell me why I shouldn’t think it was an actual police officer that assassinated them ?
I heard that he even was in a police car. He had a badge and taser and vest etc… it really does feel like it actually is a police officer
A reporter who saw the vehicle said that it would look like a police vehicle from a distance and at night, but during the day it looked off, like you’d think ‘that might not be a real cop’.
And they’ve identified the suspect and he’s not a cop.
A blues brother?
Was probably on a mission from god.
Supply Side Jesus isn’t real no matter how hard they believe their magat church pastor.
That’s why the Blue’s Brothers weren’t in it directly for the money. They just needed to save the ophanage.
Sort of…
I.R.S. tax forms show that Mr. Boelter and his wife once led a Christian nonprofit called Revoformation Ministries. An archived version of the group’s website described Mr. Boelter as becoming an ordained minister in 1993.
I don’t think he hates Illinois Nazi’s though.
“suspect” fall guy for the cop.
New information shows it was a security company run by evangelicals that he worked for. So his vehicle likely was intentionally looking like police. Could even have lights on top. And they could wear uniforms, carry most anything a cop can, the badge would be different, but at 2am…
Edit: the vehicle did have lights, and a ram on the front like police SUVs have. Also a photo of him shows him looking like an officer. Long navy sleeves, black vest with lights/utility
Mr. Boelter and his wife run a private security company in Minnesota, according to its website. The company, Praetorian Guard Security Services, lists Mr. Boelter as the director of security patrols and his wife as the president. The firm’s website describes using Ford Explorer S.U.V.s, “the same make and model of vehicles that many police departments use.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/14/us/politics/minnesota-shootings-gunman-suspect.html
Praetorian Guard Security Services
Of course that’s the name of their company.
He ran a security business.
Ah yes, rent a cop
I was thinking exactly the same thing.
“They will be prosecuting anyone involved to the fullest extent of the law,” Trump said in a statement. “Such horrific violence will not be tolerated in the United States of America.”
Ah, like they did with the violent perpetrators of the January 6th insurrection, until you pardoned them all and set them free.
Wonder if the perp will turn out to be a pardoned j6er…
It’s kind of crazy that one of my thoughts was that I hope this gets tried as a state case so Trump can’t pardon them.
This isn’t just assassination, it’s terrorism designed to scare opponents of Trump from speaking out. The media won’t say that, of course, because it’s likely the shooter is white.
The shootings are the latest in a string of seemingly lone-wolf politically motivated violence.
Good grief, could they whitewash this any harder?
Exactly that. Also, don’t forget that every chance they get they say “a man posing as a police officer” and they then describe that he was dressed exactly like a cop including a badge and cop car
It’s also done on no kings day so we all know what the headline will be. Doesn’t seem like a coincidence on reflection.
They even canceled the Minnesota No Kings over this shit
The Minnesota No Kings rally was NOT cancelled because of this. There were thousands of people at the Capitol
It was planned to be a distraction so news coverage wouldn’t focus on all the protests today. Can’t show bigger crowds in rural America than whatever few bootlickers showed up to watch Trump’s birthday parade.
yea they need good sound bytes for fox, oan and newsmax, cant have them protesting news all the time. it makes trump look really bad.
More like your generic antiabortion terrorist
I’d bet anything the police and media response to this is and will be orders of magnitude less than when that healthcare guy got clapped.
Insurance guy. The healthcare is what he was denying.
Well said…
The fact we have to clarify this distinction…
Nationally maybe, but not in Minnesota.
Pretty sure they were throwing “assassinated” in the headlines very early on there where this is just a “shooting” even though Tim Walz has already declared it a politically motivated assassination.
Or even just in comparison to the “violent ice protests”
My very first thought was about Luigi and thinking if this guy is found alive he likely won’t have any serious response. It seems they have a suspect but the dude was clearly wearing a mask so idk how they determined that
You know what’s fucked up is that I don’t even have to look. I can tell you right now that the victims in this crime are part of the Democratic party. You know how I know? Because the FBI director and the president are talking about prosecuting to the fullest extent of the law and how violence in America will never be acceptable.
But if it was the other way around and a Democrat went nuts and killed a Republican senator Donald Trump would be on truth social calling for that person to be hung or stretched or quartered or whatever it is they did to people in the middle ages.

But if it was the other way around … Donald Trump would be on truth social calling for that person to be hung…
Not just that, but he would be demonizing the whole Democrat party, saying how their dangerous rhetoric caused this and the party needs to be outlawed and its leaders arrested.
This right here — as the if the Republican Party has done nothing to inspire violence
Edit for clarity
Just look at what they’re doing to our boy Luigi
It’s the democratIC party.
Even worse, I’m sure when they catch this guy, trump is going to pardon him.
Trump cannot pardon state crimes. Murder is a state crime, not federal.
My assumption is that if Luigi is getting charged at the federal level for killing one random, rich white guy, this person who has killed two politicians and has a hit list for others, would be charged at the federal level for terrorism. At least I’d expect that in a normal, functional society, which we’re not.
18 US Code 1751 says that assassination of political officials can be tried in federal court
Anyone want to bets that it was a Nazi who did the shooting?
He was dressed as a cop, driving a police car, wearing a blue uniform, and a bulletproof vest.
Qualified immunity coming in 3, 2, 1…
Tell me you don’t know what qualified immunity is without telling me you don’t know that qualified immunity is.
Edit: Seems like a lot of people don’t know what qualified immunity is.
Qualified immunity means a cop can’t be personally liable in civil litigation for legal actions taken while doing their job.
It has nothing to do criminal prosecution when they break the law. It basically just means you have to sue the police department, not the cop.
He feared for his life. They were coming right for him.
I’m not sure what that has to do with being protected from a civil lawsuit.
Tell me you didn’t get the joke without telling me.
A significant amount of criticism contends that qualified immunity allows police brutality to go unpunished.[6] Legal researchers Amir H. Ali and Emily Clark, for instance, have argued that “qualified immunity permits law enforcement and other government officials to violate people’s constitutional rights with virtual impunity”.[45] Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor has noted a “disturbing trend” of siding with police officers using excessive force with qualified immunity,[46] describing it as “sanctioning a ‘shoot first, think later’ approach to policing”.
The joke being that the suspect was an offer who showed up, claimed that their life was in danger, and shot everyone to death. The officer will then use qualified immunity as a defence to an extrajudicial killing.
Right, but the joke is based on the misconception that qualified immunity means immunity from prosecution, which is false.
Spreading misinformation is always bad.
Right… You just clarified that they’re immune to civil litigation. And we all know they won’t be charged criminally. So what we’re saying is that they get off scot free.
Is he a cop then? The cop car part is confusing otherwise. Uniform etc. not so much.
Edit: I see elsewhere that the car was disguised too
“Disguised” we’ve willingly made police cars so obscure they don’t stand out anymore. Here in Maine every car could be a cop car.
In Minnesota?
Cop cars are very distinct. Big white and black SUVs with guard rails and big ass lights. They look like they’re going to run you over fun. I call em intimidation transports.
This isn’t completely accurate. I live in South Saint Paul and some of our police have Ford Explorers with no visible light bars and dark blue lettering on black paint.
I’ve seen state patrol make stops on 494 between the Wakota bridge and 35E in dark blue unmarked chargers.
They’re relatively new I think but that same trend of low-profile police cars has started here now too.
I think I’ve seen an unmarked cop SUV in St Paul before, maybe it was one of yours, or maybe it was this fucker?
I’m in South Saint Paul so if you were in Saint Paul it was a different one since that’s a different city.
Goddamnit. Would explain the lack of police cruisers I’ve seen up there.
Yeah spend all this money on tanks and shit, then they’re gonna drive around in a Hyundai?
We have three different colors of Ford escapes with very discreet light bars. They look like every other fucking Ford escape on the road or whatever those stupid SUVs are. So every Karen looks like a cop and every cop looks like a Karen.
Yeah I’ve been looking at them since @LilBOkChoy said something. They must be newer. They are quite literally impossible to see.
Seems appropriate for a police state though. China must be jelly of them
It’s just funny watching the citizens make their cars more like cop cars too. I shit my pants a little bit speeding and then notice it’s not a cop riding my ass it’s just granny trying to race to an early grave
There’s one in my town that is black. With black writing on it that says police. The only way to see the text is to see the difference in sheen between the paint and the writing.
it should be very illegal
Yeah, every time they get a new upgrade over here it’s even harder to detect. But it’s part of the uniform. Should stand out and be hard to replicate.
Start calling 911 when you get pulled over to confirm it’s a real officer and really just make it a headache for him and they’ll go back to normal.
“Hi I’m just calling to verify this unmarked pulling me over is a real officer” they will get the picture after a couple of thousand of those
Yeah, cops call this ghost marking. They do it to skirt around the laws regarding marked vs unmarked vehicles. Unmarked vehicles have stricter requirements, so cops ghost mark their vehicles and say “look, they’re technically not unmarked, so they don’t have to follow all of those stricter rules.”
Then they’ll check your window tint with their expert window tint detector flashlight.
No, he and his wife ran a security firm that said it owned the same vehicles as used by the police
Those where in Europe, they have since rebranded themselves to wearing red hats
Some of them call themselves Nazis.
Black rappers are calling themselves nazis and selling swastica t-shirts on Super Bowl commercials.
Guess I have one thing in common…
That’s funded up, but unsurprisingly expected
Boycott RHEL!
wait, what? Really? Oh…
This just in: This may not be related to RHEL
As someone who works for Red Hat, I really wish it would have been any other color that Trump chose.
I mean, you’re now owned by IBM who did help the Nazi’s… seems like it’s come full circle!
Well, if you’re going to start listing the US firms that helped Nazi Germany, we’re going to be here all day.
Basically any company that existed back then.
Ever used a floppy disk or a VHS? Chances are it was made by BASF.
BASF is one of the resulting companies after IG Farben of Cyclone B fame was forcefully broken up.
I was going to be here all day anyway :(‘
Yeah, trends in politics and culture really shafted the brand.
- Nothing wrong about red hats if it wasn’t for Maga.
- Nothing wrong with fedoras if it wasn’t for 4chan incels 15 years ago.
Now I’m curious if it’d be possible to rebrand to GreenBeanie. It has a nice ring to it.
Fedoras were Redditors, not 4channers. The idea was that you had guys who thought they were dressing nice by wearing a cheap fedora and like cargo shorts.
4chan incels don’t leave the house.
M’lady
100%
On reddit they said it was a evangelical pastor, go figure
Guaranteed.
He is an evangelistic Christian
So a Nat-C.
the slain lawmaker as State Rep. Melissa Hortman of Brooklyn Park and her husband, Mark, while state Sen. John Hoffman of Champlin and his wife, Yvette, were injured. Both lawmakers were members of the Minnesota Democratic–Farmer–Labor Party. […] The assailant, who is still at large, allegedly impersonated a police officer.
My support and sympathy to the families. Absolutely no surprise at any of that news.
targeted political violence.
Terrorism. Call it what it is.
It seems they have updated the title to say assassination.
Media frenzy for this event will make a great distraction from the cancellation of the shit show military parade / ego stroke.
Otherwise they may actually have to cover those nationwide protests with millions of attendees planned. Their corporate masters wouldn’t like that.
A little too convenient.
State law enforcement here in Minnesota has told protesters not to come. All politicians who were scheduled to speak will not be showing up.
Wanna bet that a curfew is next?
Wanna bet that a curfew is next?
Other article said all 201 members of the state legislature are in protective custody. I have been wondering what that exactly means.
I’ll take that bet. Of course state law enforcement and Governor Walz will say that. They have multiple unidentified, as far as we know, people running from law enforcement who have shown no compunction with using deadly force and seem to have intentions that run contrary to the protests.
Do you actually think any of us are really going to stay home? That’s not who we are. The Minnesotans that would be going in the first place represent what true Minnesotans are and won’t be dissuaded by this.
Honestly this is scarier than something bad happening in either of those two other events. But I agree… as they say “the revolution will not be televised”
Media frenzy for this event will make a great distraction from the cancellation of the shit show military parade / ego stroke.
They cancelled the parade? I hadnt heard, but im also intentionally not paying attention to it
The details of this story are horrifying. The assassin went to the houses of two different lawmakers in the middle of the night (2am). Dressed as a cop.
In the dark, the people in each house had no reasonable way to know that the person ringing their doorbell at 2am was not a cop. Presumably he shot whoever came to the door then entered the house and shot the other spouse.
There’s no way the people who were shot could have reasonably prevented being killed
So, just like the 9/11 hijacking changes everything about how people respond to a hijacking event, this changes everything about answering your door. You see someone dressed as a cop at your door, you don’t answer the door. You call 911, then have then identify the name and badge number of the cop at your door and you don’t answer the door until 911 acknowledges its a real cop at the door.
Don’t answer anyway, if they have a warrent they will come in regardless.
They come in without one all the time, and just get a bit of PTO for it, courtesy of we the people.
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More defeatism to fulfill that self-fulfilling prophecy… 🙄
Sorry, we just had a baby and news of a shooter being loose and governor declaring a state of emergency freaked us out. Just trying to share how it feels in the moment. I will make up for it, thank you for the encouragement!
That’s why it’s so important that old farts like me get out there and fight so people like you, who have a lot more to lose, won’t have to. This is a battle/war that us old ones can actually participate to save our young.
Tens of thousands showed up where I was at. The terrorists will not win.
Sorry, I’m just really frustrated to see it being repeated. But I understand if you’re concerned about the baby! My bad, but please please go if you can. 🙏
The Saint Paul one happened and still has speakers going right now! You can still protest!
THIS is what should happen.
I went to the protest in Chaska. The terrorists didn’t win
The terrorists have won
Shut the fuck up 👍
This is what the murderer wanted. To scare us. Canceling the protest will encourage more of this violence. I went to a protest today anyway and it was the largest we’ve ever had in my town. Grow a pair and get out there. Democracy and freedom aren’t free and demand that we sacrifice to protect and maintain it.
Truly sad.
People shouldn’t bend over and take it. Arm the fuck up and defend against it. Don’t concede defeat before you even try to fight
Sorry, but you didn’t mention your investments and shooting regimen. Give people a template so they can best be like you.
Armchair, right?
Nice ad hominem you got there. That’s all you’re capable of instead of actually arguing against what I said? Additionally, I don’t need to provide anything about my personal routine to justify my argument. I don’t owe you or anyone that. If you want those things, the Internet is available for you to peruse at your leisure to educate yourself. My point still stands.
Or, don’t arm up, don’t learn to defend against what is coming and just give up. Go turn yourself over to the gestapo and save everyone the trouble of dealing with you and your pessimistic attitude.
You let them win.
Convenient for the Trump administration that the (non-Fox) news is going to talk about this all day instead of the millions of people protesting him all across the country.
With the news cycles being 24/7 these days, there’s no reason they can’t talk about both. Blame them for being shit.
its on purpose, because the owners of all the MSMs are conservatives, just look who owns it
and his failure of a birthday parade too. plus trying to make the public forget about the BBB and tariffs sitll.
Meanwhile, Fox News and CNN are creaming themselves over Israel and Iran.
Fox “Israel under attack”
CNN “Israel reels from deadly Iranian missile strikes”
“impersonating” a police officer. Yup, on the largest protest day ever. No need to think more about it. Surely it wouldn’t be an actual cop using a scapegoat, nope .
Edit: Ehhh pretty close
The suspect in the assassination and attempted assassination of two Minnesota lawmakers has been identified as Vance Boelter, two law enforcement officials briefed on the case tell CNN.
Boelter is 57 years old and according to a law enforcement official, he works for a security company, Praetorian Guard Security. The company website says that Boelter serves as the director of security patrols and has had training by people in the US military.
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Police say suspect dressed as law enforcement and shot at responding officers before escaping
I’m just gonna say. Might the suspect have been a police officer? I wouldn’t trust the police to disclose that.
I mean if they are wearing a uniform and emerged from a cop car as eyewitness accounts suggest…
The gunman was still at large, law enforcement said on Saturday, and the city of Brooklyn Park was still under a shelter-in-place order. The shooter was impersonating a police officer, dressed in a uniform that would appear to be real to most people, police said.
“They did drive a vehicle that looked exactly like an SUV squad car,” Brooklyn Park’s police chief, Mark Bruley, said at a press conference. “It was equipped with lights, emergency lights, that looked exactly like a police vehicle, and yes, they were wearing a vest with Taser, other equipment, a badge very similar to mine, that, no question, if they were in this room, you would assume that they are a police officer.”
Hmmmmmmmm~~
If we don’t know who did it, how do we know it was impersonation??
He was only dressed fully as a cop with full gear and had a car that looked like a cop car with lights and all.
Clearly an ANTIFA shenanigan /s
Well they found the vehicle and it was a non-police vehicle disguised as police. So while this doesn’t 100% rule out it being police, it seems a reasonable inference.
Suuuuuure. And next you will tell me no authoritarian government uses fake emergency vehicles.
Do we need to mention that they were both democratic politicians? Many of us would love to see the list of the others he was going to kill. I’m sort of thinking they were all Democrats.
if they were a Republican it would be screamed everywhere about how liberals are using violence
I think it was the Pro Left that had a recent podcast about how the Democrats are set up as the balancing force that is always put into the position of an abused housewife that must mollify the crazy alcoholic husband, which is the Republicans.
Pretty apt metaphor, and I’m not doing it justice, but it’s pretty much considered “normal” for Republicans to do and say nearly anything, and then everyone blames the Democrats for making the Republicans do what they do…it’s all DARVO.
Apparently, they’re still screaming about how liberals are using violence. Nucking futz.
Yeah, the tone I am seeing in conservative spaces about this has shifting to the gunman being a CIA operative to smeer conservatives.
“LOOK WHAT YOU MADE ME DO!”
it was, there was a list being mentioned on a subreddit, it includes tim walz, and others, plus abortion workers.
…the gunman had a list that included her name and the names of other lawmakers, all of whom were Democrats. The list included about 70 potential targets, a federal law enforcement official said, including doctors, community and business leaders, and locations for Planned Parenthood and other health care centers. Some of the targets were in neighboring states.
The article said his hit list included about 70 targets, ALL Democrats.
This morning’s update identified him as a part-time pastor and a part-time military contractor. Sure sounds like a raging conservative to me.
