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I’m tired of the future being destroyed by billionaires.
Who just so happen to wholeheartedly support the Republican agenda in the US, with the exception of Gates.
You don’t make billions by supporting fair wages, labor unions, health and safety regulations, affordable and accessible healthcare, social programs, socialized infrastructure, and higher taxes on the wealthy.
To be fair, there are plenty of billionaires backing the dems too, they’re just a bit more subtle about their intentions, but they are not pioneers of the working class.
Of course the dems getting in in 2024 mightve slowed the roll of fascism, but it would’ve just delayed it rather than solved any of the underlying issues. With the exception of some truly progressive members of the party, the dems are basically just there to uphold the status quo.
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I think you misunderstood the meme lol.
The meme is saying capitalists support both sides (dems and gop) so they come out on top over the working class
Ohhh I thought you were accusing me of being a capitalist because you misinterpreted me as playing the “both sides” argument (this is why i was confused, but i do see people saying this kind of shit online).
I see it now, carry on!
Most of the billionaires that back the republicans also back the democrats, and the democrats also have their fair share of billionaires funding/controlling their candidates all their own. It is a uni-party system that puts on a kabuki show of ‘right vs left’ for their entertainment. Stop buying tickets for it!
Yes exactly!!
I understand the frustration around those saying the parties are the same, I really do, because in the short term, the chaos of the Trump administration would not be happening if Kamala were to get in, but I’m personally extremely frustrated by people putting the dems/kamala on a pedestal as if they were going to do anything to actually help people.
It’s an oligarchy through and through. Kamala wouldve prevented a lot of the mass deportation, but she wouldn’t have prevented the wars across the world, and she would’ve done very little to close the wealth gap between rich and poor.
The only thing that’ll cause real change is for the working class to finally realize that the billionaires are our real enemy and there are a lot more of us than there are of them.
Yeah, people forget that Democrats have fully adopted Republican immigration policy. Look at the actual deportation numbers. They were higher under Obama than under Trump. Trump is just a lot louder about it. And Kamala supported building the border wall.
Billionaires bankroll both parties, what are you talking about
Yes but somehow those are way less agressive at taking away your rights and even try to make the world moderately better. It’s the difference between the guys hacking holes in the boat and the ones not fixing the holes fast enough. Sure, both are letting the boat sink, but there does seem a serious difference.
I quite enjoy that analogy, thank you.
Republicans and Democrats*
Which is worse, the person who says they want to hurt you and then does it, or the person who says they want to help you and then doesn’t? Progressivism is still a beneficial ideal, and some Democrats fight for it, while others pay lip-service because they will say anything to be elected. But Conservativism is a plague upon humanity, leeching resources and power to feed those willing to harm others to get it.
So yeah, you can blame the mostly corrupt “good guys” along with the fundamentally selfish “bad guys,” but that doesn’t make them equivalent sides.
Both are still bad though, and progressivism shouldn’t just be an ideal it should be action and resistance against the status quo. The Democrats and their Neoliberalism is harmful. Maybe not as bad as Conservativism, but also still bad.
If both sides are ruining the future, it also matters which one is worse if you have to choose one. In this context, you dont need to choose only one
Dems deliver, but it’s always “n n not good enough” for certain people.
Inb4 replies: The Dems need all 3 houses to pass anything. They’ve had that for, drumroll please, 4 years of the last 24 years. That’s 2 years under Obama and 2 under Biden. Go back further to include Bill Clinton and it’s 6 years of the last 32 years. Go further and it’s 6 years of the last 44 years. And you wonder why progress is slow?
Bullshit. Conservatives have done just fine getting everything they wanted without all three branches of government. Democrats are bad at politics, and there are enough corrupt Dems to destabilize the whole party.
That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t vote for Dems. It means we should expect more from them.
GOP by and large wants to block things from happening. They want to hit the big giant pause button on society. And blocking things requires, drumroll please, only 1 of the 3. That’s it. If the GOP has a single 1 of the 3, they can stop literally everything.
Passing bills requires all 3. Stopping things from passing takes 1. Also known as: it’s hard to build things up, and it’s easy to tear things down.
Yes, agreed, it is easier to obstruct than it is to lead. But Conservatives have been far more effective at both. It’s like a tug of war where one side isn’t holding on to the rope. It doesn’t matter if we’re trying to gain ground or just minimize the damage, Democrats suck at both.
I’ll point you back to the math. 6 years in the last 44 years.
And yes cons fall in line. It’s a saying for a reason. Left is an assortment of infighting and protest non voters. Want more? Then make sure then they can win without catering to the center. Again see the math.
Do they deliver? Did Biden “cancel all student debt for an entire generation” like he said he would? Did the Dems stop sending weapons to back a genocide? Did they get Medicare for All? Did they make housing affordable? Did they stop our overseas torture programs? Did they stop drone-striking children?
Because I don’t remember them delivering any of that.
I don’t wonder why progress is slow, as it is pretty clear: The Republicans are regressive, and the Democrats mostly impede progress.
Clinton delivered a balanced budget. Obama delivered healthcare - his reward was to lose majority for the next 6 years. Biden delivered most of Build Back Better, the first student debt relief was blocked by the court but another bill was passed that delivered a ton of debt relief. I thought you were just the nnnnot good enough, but honestly I think you’re flat out ignoring everything. And that was with only 2 years each.
But why didn’t they just solve everything, everywhere, all at once, forever and always! Right? Like do you even hear yourself?
Obama delivered a terrible, watered down healthcare change. Biden could have pushed a lot more money out for student debt relief, but thought that spending the money on the border wall and weapons for Israel was more important.
They could have done drastically more, but spent those 2 years sucking up to corporate doners, and giving consessions to the Republicans instead.
You may think that “please don’t bomb children”, or “please stop giving our tax money to the rich” or “maybe medical debt shouldn’t be the biggest cause of bankruptcy in the US” or “please, make education affordable” is asking too much, but I think it’s not asking enough, and the Dems wouldn’t even deliver on those. They could have, but chose not to.
And back to n-n-n-n-n-not good enough. They were pretty good. Want more? Then vote in more reps so Lieberman can’t water it down. Biden pushed a ton and got a ton of debt relief. First one blocked? He kept pushing. Honestly what are you on thinking he didn’t push for it, it’s back to ignoring.
Yah you’re all over the n-n-n-not good enough. Things take time to draft, write, negotiate, and pass. I seriously wonder what industry y’all work in that you think these things can be done easy peasy in no time flat.
So we’re back to: Want more? Then give them a majority more often than 6 years of the last 44 years. Seriously, let that sink in. 6 measly years out of the last 44 years. That’s nothing. Want supermajority? Then it’s 2.5 months out of the last 44 years. Not 2.5 years, 2.5 months out of the last 44 years. Since 1980. Frankly it’s amazing that we’re not in a worse situation.
Ok this is going nowhere, I keep pointing out what they did and you keep ignoring/nnnot good enough. So the last bit I’ll say to you: Nothing will ever be good enough for you. You have all your excuses lined up and keep at the same thing no matter what’s said. This is why I think catering to the left is a fool’s errand. They will never show up. Never have, and any conversation like this shows they never will. They will go after the center voter instead. Congrats on the biggest self own in history. Ciao.
Yes, I’m not ashamed to say that I think a party that backs a genocide, bombs children, and screws over it’s voting base is not doing good enough. Especially when they seem to have plenty of time to help out the other party, and their corporate doners.
They’ve had plenty of time and opportunity to fix plenty of things, but chose not to. You keep saying that they “only” had 2 years, but I saw them waste those years.
You are also correct: I will never show up for a party that wants to bomb children, or picks a rapist as their candidate, or backs a genocide, or continuously caters to the rich instead of their voters. Why would I support a party that fights against what I want?
edit: Also, when have the Democrats catered to the left? I see them consistently run to the right, but I usually only see them “cater to the left” verbally, on stage when they want votes. Once elected in, they immediately turn back to the right.
You mean delivering NAFTA, sending all the US jobs oversees, which makes up a lot of the rot today, thanks to Clinton? Or do you mean Obama, who bailed out the banks for causing the biggest housing crisis, displacing people from their homes, who turned around and gave all their CEO’s bonuses? The Obama who did nothing to help the people with no homes and did nothing to prevent round two, which analyst predict will happen again, soon? Oh yes, that slow progress.
The uni-party system is corporate/oligarch controlled and corrupt.
Clinton ran on it’s the economy stupid. It’s practically a miracle that anyone wins against an incumbent. But I have to mention this part “You mean delivering NAFTA, sending all the US jobs oversees” Lolololololol. In case you don’t realize, Canada and Mexico are not overseas. China trade was Nixon. Clinton did what now seems impossible: balance the budget.
Obama. Like it or not but bank failure would have turned the great recession into the 1930s depression. You being mad about this just tells me you want to rage instead of think logically. That’s twice so far (nafta overseas was the first). But anyway, Obama delivered Healthcare which you conveniently leave out.
Yeah it’s clear you just want to rage, so this is my only reply. So I say it again: 4 years of control out of the last 24 years. Want more progress? Then you need to vote them in more.
Dems deliver
hahahahahha.
Come on everybody. Pointing out that the Democrats are also failing us in different ways is NOT bOtH siDEz!!
Definitely
Ignoring the problems with democrats and only focusing on just how terrible republicans are will only lead back to where we are right now
It’s a vicious cycle
BoTh sIdeS!
Not both sides, Dems are barely left/center and have qualities shared with the right. I support far left politics
- conservatives
The letter doesn’t matter, their policy positions do
Republican and and Democrats*Humans
How about tired of the uni-party system! We need real change, politicians who care about the workers, not corporations and their oligarchs.
Right on, no argument here.
tired of the future being destroyed by capitalists and zionists. sorry, i repeated myself there…
Unbelievable that there are some Americans in politics who wake up every day and consciously decide they want to destroy everything around them.
Unbelievable that there are some Americans in politics who wake up every day and consciously decide they want to put their foot on someone else’s neck so that they can feel superior, even if it means they are worse off.
Ftfy
Unbelievable that there are some Americans in politics that get off so much on being told ‘you owned a lib’ that they vote against their own interest and inspire baseless fear of normal human needs and rights.
Yes, thank you! You got it.
It’s unbelievable that half the voters wanted it. It’s betrayal.
Unbelievable that the rest of the Americans would rather just sit there and take it than risk literally anything.
Not just Republicans, conservatives in general. All Republicans are conservative, but many Democrats are as well. That needs to change.
Mamdani shows it’s possible to start the purge of the DNC. We need to continue that. Primary every last conservative. Drive them from the DNC, drive them from politics, drive them from political discourse and public life. Authoritarianism must be crushed, Constitutional rights must be restored, and common sense policies for real people must be enacted. If we can’t achieve that, then all is lost and totalitarian neofeudalism will prevail.
Not just Republicans, conservatives in general.
You are correct! I tend to use the two interchangeably when I know that conservatives pushes out to a larger group.
And frankly, anyone who acts like this was just another election where one side lost is only slightly higher on the totem pole than conservatives are.
Mamdani shows it’s possible to start the purge of the DNC.
Just worth saying again for the tankies that are very passionate, but seemingly not enough to vote or organize material change. As disappointing as the dems maybe they are still the home of the little progressive wing we have, and we should work into growing it.
A part of purging the dem party means not voting for conservatives if they win the primary. There is a reason the conservatives win primaries despite having less popular policies than the progressives. A conservative dem losing a general purges the party of one more conservative who got us here.
I’m tired of both Democrats and Republicans destroying the future, and people pretending Democrats don’t because they do it slightly less
Inb4 somebody starts saying you are just demoralizing people by saying “both sides are bad”
Raise your hand if you’re tired of Americans playing the victims while doing nothing
Raised, but I feel like one of them. There’s so little I feel like I can do. I was going to go to a protest but wound up taking a group of scouts to the Indian Museum. Felt like a much better, and more impactful use of my time, and it was magical watching those kids hang on the words of our tour guide, as she told us the story of how they won their land rights.
But that’s the long game, and I am terrified that the short term battles are not being fought.
So many of my friends have just given up, waiting for the next election to fix it. I don’t have any faith that will work though.
I’m tired of rich and/or petty people controlling us. We’re better than this.
Left or right we’re getting fucked one way or the other. The whole foundation’s been corrupted to the core.
It’s like every debate, any talk of politics is pointless and anything truly reasonable is quickly surpassed overpassed by political “sports team” entertainment while people with real [heartless] willpower continue to do what they do. And I mean that from the streets to the president. The corruption is the same essence and the same evil at any wealth status, education, or social position and all of it is the rotted part of the foundation the country is built upon.
You don’t really have a left, not at the moment. It’s getting better but oh my god the disasters it took for your shithole country to start to rally…
It is wierd isn’t it. Like having grown up in the middle class I can see why so many ran to the Republicans. It’s a short sighted nostalgia party that preys on people who don’t pay attention or whov been indoctrinated to only watch right wing media.
But the hubris of the Democrats and even just some left leaning voters is kinda wild.
But the real problem is the lack of attention local elections get from average folks. Iv been guilty of this as well, and it buggers me good that I never really learned of their importance till I was already like 34
When your “left” is just Diet-Republicans that are less hateful on social issues? Your perspective makes total sense.
And to be fair? That is what the Democrats have served you. And I hate them harder then Republicans hate them. For this reason.
I would like to invite you to a Solution-Oriented American Left in Zohran Memdani, Eugene Debbs, or Bernie Sanders.
This is not the End of what the Left is. This is only where it Starts. we have entire books about the rich American history the Democrats-since-Clinton have entirely abandoned.
That seems like a completely nihilistic and empty view of politics. What do you even actually think a society that isn’t “corrupt” (or at least is less corrupt) could look like? How can you blame the people with no power at all just as much as the president?
Blaming everyone for everything is basically the same as blaming nobody for anything.
It’s fine to think that the vast majority of people believe in propaganda or are worried about things that don’t matter.
My main problem really is with you saying “any talk of politics is pointless”. It’s just complete doomerism.
Truth mate. This country and the entirety of its government is structurally designed to consolidate wealth into the hands of the owning class. It has been such for so long it is baked into our very culture of American society.
We need revolt and a new system of not only economics but of government that horizontally distributes authority throughout the community instead of concentrating it into a hierarchical structure that can be turned against us if the wrong person lands a seat of power.
Exactly. I worked in marketing… They can use everything. You hate America? They can profit off that. You love America? …they can profit of that. All the while partially guiding you to a preset life-path that they manipulate to profit off you even more. I honestly think genuine honest humanity is extinct. We are a culturally mutilated species at this point even physically in some cases. This isn’t living, they created a culture that is proud to be products, basically bought, sold, or traded for profit.
We used to be. Currently we are not better than this.
No, we really weren’t. America has always been a pretty shit country to anyone who wasn’t owning class. Any good that came about during the course of this country’s existence was in spite of it not because of it.
There was a brief time under FDR where we were doing ok. Not much of a legacy to be proud of in light of all the years we got it wrong, but it at least shows we are capable of better.
FDR was simply concessions by the state to placate the working people from gaining class consciousness after a long period of working class uprisings. After that brief time was the rise of McCarthyism and the 2nd Red Scare to ensure that the American working class forever opposes left-wing, working class economics, setting the stage for their systemic dismantling of the few concessions we were granted by FDR.
I would change Republicans to ‘selfish and narrow-minded individuals’
So … billionaires.
Owning class.
How much in your bank account isn’t the point — it is how that money got there. It just so happens that practically nobody ever became a billionaire without the use of exploitation.
Yet, it is not just billionaires but any who make their income through exploiting their private ownership over the tools, land, and resources which make production possible that, under the capitalist system, entitles those “owners” to the excess value of labor, in the form of profits, that are generated by the working class – individuals who must sell their labor to these owners for a wage – under their employment.
There’s street people that pull the same shit as these billionaires. It’s all the same heartlessness. That’s how the game works. The gangs, cartels, and mafias all play by the same methods.
Regular people don’t play the game and that’s why nothing will ever change. Regular people are basically taught not to play the game.
No, regular people play the game every day and it turns them into the same heartless bastards. That’s how the game is designed to work.
People don’t need to play their game. They need to stop following its rules and break the whole goddamn thing to start finally doing something different
It isn’t “gangs and cartels”, it is business owners, bankers, and landlords.
Plenty of people who voted for the republicans are poor as shit. Selfishness doesn’t stop downwards at being rich.
Voting for a party just because you want others to suffer more than you do is pure selfishness too.
I just want free public transit, affordable housing//rent/food/bills and some free time to actually enjoy being alive, is that too much to ask?
Republicans: Yes, you entitled whiny millenial. Also, no one wants to work. Also you are probably a groomer.
You filthy communist.
-actual nazi magats
Fill your bottle with one hand while working with the other. Don’t bother washing your hands, they’ll return the merchandise you’re mailing out anyway.
/s if you really need it
Silly lib. Destroying the country is bipartisan billionaire driven affair.
People don’t want to admit that it isn’t the Dems versus Reps; it is the working class people versus the oligarchic American government.
Always has been.
You can blame only Republicans which even if they disappeared wouldn’t solve the issue, or you can acknowledge that both parties are corrupted by oligarchs and PACS
Apparently a lot of people don’t mind being oppressed as long as the oppressors have decorum
While I agree with your premise, its very disingenuous to imply a lot of issues wouldnt be solved/improved if Republicans blinked out of existence like a Thanos Snap.
I think you both agree that it’s more complicated than that and it’s a systemic thing effecting both parties. I think he just wrote it differently than you read it
I do agree there are some issues that would not be there without the Republicans, that’s not what I’m saying but rather saying only blaming the Republicans doesn’t solve the real issues we have
Republicans blinking out of existence doesn’t solve the fundamental issues of capitalism that inevitably lead people to those ideologies.
Those systemic forces still exist, a new version of them would simply take their place when people tie their personal interests to the interests of capital.
and shit like this is why stuff will never get fixed.
because rather than actively embrace a solution that deals with 50% of the issue, you actively dismiss it and act like anything that doesnt deal with 100% of the problem, immediately and wholly, is a waste of time.
Thus, instead of steady progress, we have a steady march into decline.
Republicans: categorically awful on every single issue
Democrats: Not that
Babies: waaaah I want a competitive party that matches my opinions on every single issue
Find me one major party in the entire world that matches your personal ideals 100%. Spoiler: it doesn’t exist, unless you happen to be a king or dictator of an authoritarian state.
Two party systems means you have two parties with distinct ethics, and one party winning consistently means the country’s ethics will shift over time in the favor of that winning party. So keep spite voting against Democrats and see where that gets you.
Edit: you know why the Democrats are similar to Republicans on so many issues? Because Republicans keep winning elections.
It’s not about opinion, there is scientific studies that give you evidence how the democratic interest of the vast majority is not represented, but the rich.
There are also historical theories that explain why this neo-fascism was the inevitable outcome of neoliberal policies, because material conditions degraded. That’s why it’s happening everywhere, not just the US.
The democrats shifted to the right, or away from social democratic policies since Trump not because they are winning strategies - but because they know the alternative for the voter is even worse. So policy not according to being able to win, but being able to gain and maintain power (donors, influence) and wealth.
Policy currently has absolutely nothing to do with ideals, ethics or ideology. Those are just pretty words sold to the masses.
You’ll need drastic changes, a purge and redistribution of wealth and power and the news and social media.
There are leftists trying to gain a foothold in the Democrat party, and some are succeeding (see the latest New York mayoral primary).
Many people ignore primaries, though. You know who does vote in primaries? Older more moderate voters. So progressives tend to lose primaries, then the people who didn’t bother with the primaries complain there aren’t progressive enough candidates in the main elections, so they don’t vote.
If you want more leftist candidates (within the FPTP system), support progressive candidates and show up to the primaries.
Sorry your getting downvoted for making the children here uncomfortable.
Extreme leftist don’t vote then wonder why a candidate doesn’t try to earn their vote.
Thanks for sharing your feelings with us
Does the truth upset you?
No, your feelings don’t hurt me. Unless you can provide some fact based evidence, you are simply sharing your ignorant feelings.
Just go scroll through these forums and you can see a large amount of leftists who clearly think strategic abstention is the way. They are morons but it doesn’t change what is on this website.
Are you able to differentiate between facts and feelings?
A few idiots in a forum aren’t representative of a larger group. Unless you can back that with data you are projecting your bias on a microscopic sample size.
Yes they both suck, yes Republicans suck worse, but I think you’re missing some important nuance of exactly how the Democrats suck. Let’s game this out:
If 77 million of the dumbest shitheads ever to walk the Earth were to simultaneously, spontaneously implode tomorrow, everything would change. But especially the Democratic Party. The party leadership would not be able to keep doing what it had been doing. Their whole game requires the Republicans to exist as a credible threat for what’s going to happen if you don’t keep giving them money and settling for whoever they foist on you. They always try to run the furthest-right soulless hack they possibly can, so they calculate what the threshold is that would make enough people say “fuck this, I’m sitting this one out” to throw the race to the Republican, and aim just to the left of that. So, with every single Trump fan or likely R voter gone ( and nothing of value lost ) the entire electorate is now split- pretty evenly on age lines- between the proudly centrist, CNN-watching Biden 2020 primary voters, and the angry progressive left who’s been holding their nose and voting for the lesser of two evils their whole life.
The Democratic party can only pick up the first group. Democratic Socialists take the other group. Nonvoters become a much smaller group, and third parties remain negligible. Now the only way for the Democratic party to survive (Especially since the c-suite and board of directors of most of their corporate donors just went poof, so those companies restructured as co-ops…) is to keep running the only play they know- unilaterally compromise and triangulate with the other party. So what they do now is move as far left as they can get away with without losing their base, who they’re already losing to old age.
I’m tired of this country sucking all the fucking life out of me.
And by protest-non-voters.
Muslim and Arab Americans in Dearborn who listened to Kamala promise to kill their brothers and sisters in Palestine and Lebanon with utmost lethality, and decided not to vote for her, are the reason for America’s burgeoning fascism. Thanks for the top analysis, chief.
Exhibit A.
Exhibit A what exactly? You really think he should have voted for the dems? I would have called him a hypocrite if he did, pretending to care about Palestine but still supporting the DNC
… Exhibit A of a protest non voter.
I don’t blame non-voters, disenfranchised from the uni-party system. It is the job of the politicians to work for the people, not the other way around. The politicians act like they are a celebrity, and we should bend a knee and vote for their scraps. Give the non-voters something to vote for, and they will be back.
Non-voters is different than protest-non-voters, who are very much wrong in thinking protest non voting will effect positive change.
For the rest https://lemmy.world/comment/17900385
Voters are not your slaves. They owe you nothing. If you’re a politician and you can’t get people to support you, that’s on you. No, you can’t just point across the aisle. Someone else committing worse crimes doesn’t excuse yours.
We have to stop falling for the extortionists. Corporate Democrats are extortionists, nothing more. They’re no different than a mobster that says, “nice house there, would be a shame if something happened to it.” That’s literally their strategy for winning elections - “well, I’m not going to do anything for you, but the other guy will be even worse!”
Stop telling people they have a duty to vote for criminals and extortionists.
Hey I remember you, you’re the guy that just tried to pass off “Gore was going to invade Iraq!”.
So, strawman fallacy. I did not say or suggest that voters are your slaves. What I said is that protest-non-voting is wholly and completely ineffectual at positive change. More of your hammering different things together I see.
Corporate Democrats are extortionists,
More nutso.
Stop telling people they have a duty to vote for criminals and extortionists.
More strawman. See above.
criminals and extortionists.
More nutso.
I don’t think you read what I linked. Here you go:
Dems deliver, but it’s always “n n not good enough” for certain people.
Inb4 replies: The Dems need all 3 houses to pass anything. They’ve had that for, drumroll please, 4 years of the last 24 years. That’s 2 years under Obama and 2 under Biden. Go back further to include Bill Clinton and it’s 6 years of the last 32 years. Go further and it’s 6 years of the last 44 years. And you wonder why progress is slow?
Ciao.
Corporate Dems getting a lock on Congress isn’t enough to get things passed. They always find a rotating villain to be the designated bad guy.
But yeah, go ahead and throw names like “nutso” around, as your ilk continue to lose election after elections with your tired and geriatric strategy.
You’re right I shouldn’t say nutso, I should say conspiracy theorist. Ok ciao.
Typical Blue Maga, turning to name calling. I bet you like throwing around words like “drumpf” a lot too.
I dont think you understand what “ciao” means.
Well you sure showed those politicians
someguy3,
I’m not a high paid politicial consultant, but maybe the DNC could stop running bad candidates with rightwing platforms?
I dunno. maybe its simply a matter of getting Dick Cheney up on stage with democratic party candidates instead of liz cheney. Or dem candidates should vow to kill all the palestinians faster than the republicans do. People of similar intent can disagree on minor implementation details without fighting right?
So DNC centrists and republicans should really come out of the closet and live your truth out in the open --and just become a single party. The republidems. And nothing will fundamentally change.The progressives can form their own party, and according to your philosophy, proceed to lose. What do you say, isnit it past time for DNC and GOP to merge and finally show the filthy progressives who is boss?
Boy that’s lot of messages from you. You must be hella mad. Yup, you are.
Its true, you do tend to set me off. Point taken.
I think you have me outpaced though for messages and length on this thread.
