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what does any of this mean lol? nyc, dem, dnc, vote blue? wtf
because the one who won the primaries isn’t the one who the dnc actually likes. dnc establishment is thinking of having cuomo running as an independent against him. so, ‘vote blue no matter who’ has now been turned around on those jackasses who kept shoving shit condidates down our throats.
It’s just a case of Americentrism.
Apparently some need education on what a primary is.
They were all running to “be the blue.” This is how WE pick the candidates that run for the Democratic Party. Yes. That’s right. They’re not selected by the DNC as many believe.
Congressional primaries see less than 15% turnout, yet people love to complain about the career centrists. Well, this is EXACTLY how it’s done.
Mamdani won because WE SHOWED UP. Stop letting retirees with nothing but time on their hands pick our candidates and VOTE FOR PROGRESSIVES IN THE PRIMARIES.
I suppose we’ll see if the DNC takes the message this time.
They don’t “take the message.” It’s not a suggestion. They run a primary and we select their nomination. That’s what primary elections are. Have you never voted in a primary before?
I’ve voted in primaries for over 20 years. I know how politics work. Don’t be so naive
Ok. Give me some examples of candidates winning the Democratic primary and getting dropped off the ballot by the DNC.
It’s not about being dropped, it’s about the cash not coming from the DNC, and then other DNC allies contributing to the independent candidate. Mamdani will be the (D) on the ballot. It does not mean that the DNC will give him one cent if they don’t like his politics.
Seems like people are talking past each other here. He will be representing the DNC on the ticket, and the DNC is likely to provide absolutely no support to him, as he doesn’t match what “they” “wanted”.
They aren’t required to fund him, that’s true, but all campaign donations from the DNC are transparent. They also can’t stop him from fundraising directly. If he makes it clear that they are withholding financial support given to prior candidates, then people will donate to him directly and the DNC will be publicly called out for favoring past candidates. That’s the last thing they need after the Debbie Wasserman-Shultz/Hillary Clinton scandal.
Being on the ballot means little in and of itself. Having the party apparatus behind you is what matters. You don’t need to win the primary to get on the ballot.
I think you’re missing the joke here?
The joke is that the NYC Dems are making the DNC eat their words with a candidate that they didn’t want
Oh I totally missed that. Thanks. Too many people still ignorantly commenting about how the DNC picks all the candidates, after NYC just proved that it’s always been about us showing up, has me on the defense. My bad.
I also missed it, I think Mamdani is just as much a part of the DNC as these other imaginary dissenters.
Are those DNC in the room with us now? Because it seems to me Mamdani is a welcomed member of the party and receiving lots of support for the general election.
They’ll ratfuck anyone that gets in their way, much less an actual socialist, and never forget it.
David Hogg chose not to run for reelection after the DNC agreed to redo the election for his position when a valid complaint was issued that the DNC did not follow established gender parity rules when combining candidates to a ballot.
If I were forced to choose between two choices and I didn’t like either, I would not consider myself living in a democracy. Democracy is pointless if you aren’t able to vote for a candidate that you actually like.
The solution is reform. If your democracy is not proportional, then it is not a democracy.
You are able to do that, it’s the entire point of a primary.
It’s not the best system, certainly, but it does mean you actually get more than 2 choices.
Sort of?
A comprehensive look at voter turnout from 2000 onwards reveals that the average turnout rate for primary elections is 27% of registered voters, compared to 60.5% for general elections. It should be noted that less than half of the voters who cast a ballot in the general election participate in primaries.
https://goodparty.org/blog/article/primary-vs-general-election
All sorts of problems have solutions. I see this a lot in the tech space, like the need to save a video, Adblock, whatever.
…But generally, people don’t use them. Or know about them.
US primaries feel similar, where voters technically have the ability to choose candidates but, statistically, they don’t.
Attention is finite. Many dont know about primaries. To me, giving people the choice doesn’t matter if it’s obscure and inaccessibly designed.
Voters: refuse to vote in primary
Also Voters: “Why are the nominees so terrible?”
Without RCV, there is no path to better candidates. There is a reason so many conservative states have been proactively banning it.
Ranked Choice Voting is an improvement over plurality voting, but as I’ve written elsewhere (too lazy to look it up), I think any election with a single winner is still going to end up with weird/disappointing outcomes at least 90% of the time. I think this post is referring to the governor of New York, no? I would rather see a system where the state legislature is elected proportionally, and then the governor would be selected from a coalition agreement between the governing parties - similar to what you see in many national, state and provincial systems across Europe. This system isn’t without its downsides, but at least it’s harder for incumbent parties to force voters to support them even if those voters don’t want to.
Of course, this is a much more fundamental reform, so it’s harder to adopt. RCV is definitely an improvement. It’s great to see some progress happening out there in the USA.
No voting system by itself will do much. We need to switch to a proportional system or else minority parties won’t have a fair shot at representation. If a party gets 2% of the vote, they should get 2% of the seats. Not possible with single-winner methods.
Then it’s not a democracy. But you still live here.
Tbf, you can write in anyone you like. Will they win? No. But you can do that.
Tbf, that’s not really fair, is it?
Perfectly fair. Fair doesn’t mean you get your way every time. If they did get enough votes they could win, but by virtue of not being on the ballot it’s harder to do. What do you suggest, adding all 350mil+ US citizens to the ballot?
I suggest moving to proportional representation. Essentially, proportional systems try to ensure that if a party gets 5% of the votes, they get 5% of the seats. It’s obviously not a solution for single-winner elections like mayor, but it’s a great system for councils and legislatures. That way, it’s much more likely that voting for a minority party candidate will actually get you some representation in office. (There’s a million ways to it, with some trying to place an emphasis on local representation and others trying to get as close to proportional as possible, but they’re all leagues ahead of pure single-winner systems.)
Now, you might be saying “you didn’t solve the problem for single winner methods!” Never fear, we can use a voting system that satisfies the sincere favorite criterion. My favorite is Approval Voting, but any of them will do. The sincere favorite criterion says that the optimal voting strategy should always include giving your true favorite maximum support, whatever that means under that particular voting system.
I didn’t see this comment when I wrote a few other ones, but you can absolutely use proportional representation as a solution for single-winner elections. Just look at how most prime ministers are chosen in any country that uses proportionally-represented parliaments.
I mean…I guess. That’s kinda a solution. Ish.
It brings up an interesting question of wasted votes. By definition, in plurality voting, at least 50% of all votes must be wasted. Anyone who votes for a losing candidate (and thereby doesn’t receive an elected representative) wasted his/her vote. And anyone who voted above the threshold for the winner also cast a wasted vote (because the candidate wouldn’t win anyway). It’s easy to see why turnout would be low in such a system.
(You could of course argue that a candidate winning a race with 60% of the votes is much stronger in the office than a candidate that wins 51:49, so this is a bit of an oversimplification, but hopefully you get the idea of how wasted votes work solely within the context of decided who wins the race.)
Didn’t the democratic party in America like completely die with president Orange?
Nah. We’re taking it over. Thirty years of retirees picking our candidates in the primaries gave us the centrist party. People are finally waking up and turning out.
It should have with the performance it gave. But alas the duopoly goes on
I disagree, I think the democratic party will become as relevant as the Whig party And the Republican party is going to split in two the Trump side and Republican Classic.
Fuck, this is so much more likely
I’ve seen a lot of people insist that we were going to stop doing democracy going forward.
I was skeptical, precisely because the Mamdani race appeared to illustrate how an unpopular incumbent friend-of-Trump could absolutely still lose to a socialist outsider campaign by a local town populist hero. But now I’m seeing the Dem national establishment freak out in such a way that… Idk, maybe they really will try to toss the results of the primary in the trash and tell Zohran he’s not welcome in the general.
Yes, the current cohort. With Mondoni, AOC and Bernie, The hope is more people will vote for progressive candidates and bring back the Democrats from the dead.
Isn’t this how change happens?
But voting for who you believe in in the primaries and your preferred party in the general?
It’s never worked so far, I don’t see why the DNC is about to start.
The DNC doesn’t pick the candidates. We do. In the primaries. That’s what primaries are.
Winning the primary =/= actually getting the support of the party apparatus behind you.
They aren’t required to fund him, that’s true, but all campaign donations from the DNC are transparent. He can compare his support to Adams’ 2021 purse. They also can’t stop him from fundraising directly.
If he makes it clear that they are withholding financial support given to prior candidates, then people will donate to him directly, and the DNC will be publicly called out for favoring past candidates. That’s the last thing they need after the Debbie Wasserman-Shultz/Hillary Clinton scandal.
If he makes it clear that they are withholding financial support given to prior candidates, then people will donate to him directly, and the DNC will be publicly called out for favoring past candidates. That’s the last thing they need after the Debbie Wasserman-Shultz/Hillary Clinton scandal.
I really don’t think they care. These people have no shame. I read that 40% of the leading Democrats that endorsed Cuomo had previously called for his resignation after his numerous sexual assaults came to light. The party that lauds itself as the champion of and defender of women’s and minority rights rallied hard to support a corrupt sexual predator over a Muslim, simply because he was progressive instead of a conservative. Hell, arch sex pest Bill Clinton endorsed Cuomo.
These people have no shame. “Calling people out” or “slamming” people means nothing. If calling people out changed their behavior, Cuomo, who sexually assaulted at least a dozen women, would have never been seen in public again.
Seriously. How can you think that leaders that openly endorse a sexual molester give a single fuck about being called out publicly for their bad behavior?
They may have no shame, but Zohran has no chill. We’ll find out soon enough.
but Zohran has no chill.
what the fuck does this even mean? honest query
Yeah, Pete definitely won the Iowa caucus.
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The problem isn’t the “DNC” it’s the Democratic establishment. That includes all their operatives in media that help keep the masses in check. The sad fact is that not enough voters pay that much attention. The vast majority of the time, the establishment gets their pick.
They don’t get their pick. The relentless retirees do, if the working class doesn’t participate in the primaries. I’ve volunteered many times over the last 25 years. The elderly come in droves. They also have very different needs than the working class.
Congressional primaries see less than 15% turnout. The 2025 NYC Mayoral Democratic primary saw 30%, up from 21% in 2021. That’s all it took to make a difference.
This is something voters need to own. Sign up for mailers if you forget to vote. Sign up for mail-in ballots if you have an irregular schedule. Research the candidates in the primary and vote.
You’re not wrong, but where do the retirees get their news? Most of the retirees I know are all way to manipulated by cable news, and that is nothing but 24x7 establishment propaganda.
Absolutely. They also have no need to vote in favor of minimum wage increases or any other benefits for the working class. Their biggest concern is low taxes on their retirement accounts, which is why they pick the centrist Democrat when voting in the Democratic primary.
That’s part of it, but not everything. In the 2020 presidential primary the number one issue for everyone, including seniors, was electability. Beating Trump was what Democratic voters cared about, and cable news blared the false but believable message that only a centrist who could capture Republican votes could do that.
Another big issue is, oddly enough, minority voters. Minorities are not all that different from other populations in their policy views, but they do tend to be far more committed to the team blue. (Though that commitment is waning). That means that minority conservatives tend to vote in Democratic primaries, giving us more conservative Democratic nominations.
I really wish more people would vote on something other than their own perceived self interest. Barring that dream, we need to fix broken perceptions. The people seniors and others are voting for, in both primaries and general elections, don’t actually serve the interests of their voters.
The problem isn’t the “DNC” it’s the Democratic establishment.
The problem isn’t water, it’s H2O.
It wasn’t that long of a comment. You really couldn’t get to the end before responding?
Uh-huh
What’s Cuomo doing right now? Oh yeah, ignoring the primary.
What are you talking about? He lost the Democratic nomination to Mamdani. Now he has to run as an independent.
Primaries are held by parties. It’s not entrance into the general election. Anyone with the cash can run as any party they choose. The DNC and RNC have too many contenders, so they run primaries to let us pick their candidates. That’s what primary elections are.
What are you talking about? He lost the Democratic nomination to Mamdani. Now he has to run as an independent.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoiler_effect
He knows exactly what he’s doing
Primaries are held by parties. It’s not entrance into the general election. Anyone with the cash can run as any party they choose.
Yep, and a losing candidate can choose to participate in the general to ensure the opposing party wins by splitting the vote, which is what the establishment Dems do when a progressive successfully primaries the…
First of all, if Cuomo runs as an independent, he’ll make Adams the spoiler to his platform. Secondly, there are only ~350k millionaires in NYC. They’re the ones who will be taxed more by Mamdani’s plan. You’re acting like the city is run by them, but we got the numbers. We just need to show up and vote.
It’s literally ranked choice voting. There is hardly any spoiler effect unless there are so many candidates you couldn’t possibly find the one’s you want to vote for.
The Democratic primary was RCV. The general election will be FPTP.
And how much do you want to bet he will be backed and supported by the DNC during his ‘independent’ campaign?
If anything, they’d give Adams money. They occasionally fund spoilers, just like the RNC. Even though Adams is on the Republican ticket, he’s more likely to be the spoiler in the general election.
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I’ve lived in NY since the 70s. Being on the Democratic ticket is all he needs for the average know-nothing voter. He just beat out six other candidates with a grassroots primary campaign. He doesn’t need their money. He just needed to be in the blue/working families column.
But sure, tell me all about how you know everything. I’ll be sure to take notes.
That’s funny, and cute you believe that.
We literally just picked the Democratic candidate for NYC mayor. What about that is confusing to you? If the DNC didn’t want him, they shouldn’t have allowed him in the primary. That part is over now. Zohran Mamdani is the Democratic candidate. That’s how primaries work. Stop misinforming people. Most are uninformed on the process as it is.
You realise you can present historical actions that support your argument without being a complete bellend about it, right?
For example, in 2015 Bernie Sanders was becoming a hot favourite to become the public’s new pin-up boy for the 2016 presidential run. Unfortunately for him, it is alleged that the DNC had already banked on Hilary Clinton being the primary winner, so their plan may have had it’s legs done before they even started.
So, it is widely reported that the DNC provided very little support to Sanders for the remainder of his campaign run, while pouring big money and organising competing support behind Clinton, stacking the odds in her favour.
In this instance, history tells us that whereas a candidate may be supremely popular, they may not end up getting the support of the political party they represent.
(The above is a massive oversimplification to fit into a bite sized lemmy post, so points of discussion are expected)
The reality is very few people vote in primaries and, as you’ve just read in this thread, many don’t even know what primaries are.
Comments like this are always from people who are ignorant, or people that aren’t even in the US.
Or people who have been through more than one election cycle and have seen how far the establishment will go to tank a candidate they don’t like in favor of a milquetoast conservative that will lose to a real conservative in the general.
😂😂😂 “The DNC doesn’t pick the candidates.” 🤣🤣🤣
Does anyone else remember the primary we didn’t have for the 2024 election? Or how about how dirty they did our boy Bernie in 2016? Or how about the fact that you can’t even run as a Democrat unless you bring them at least $1m in fundraising?
We had a primary in 2024. He was pressured into stepping down after winning. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz and Hillary Clinton’s collusion was reprehensible, and also extremely rare.
I’m also referring to the congressional and state primaries that only see 15% attendance, yet you, like most Americans, think we only vote once every four years.
We had a primary in 2024.
With the party suing as many opponents off as many state ballots as they could. There was only one candidate that made it to the ballot in all 50 states. Like party leadership wanted.
And dear god did centrists lose their absolute shit at people who voted uncommitted in their pretend primaries.
Or how about how dirty they did our boy Bernie in 2016?
You mean the primary where less than 30% of voters even participated in, with most just being lazy and sitting at home?
“Record” lol. This is not a fuctional democracy if people just refuses to participate. Like literally every primary has horrible turnout. People this lazy don’t deserve a democracy.
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Except in 2016, 2020, and 2024
theoretically for sure. in practice, it seems like the people make their picks, then the dnc makes sure those picks never get far.
Except for the most recent presidential election. And when they buried Sanders. And that’s just what we know about.
So, now it’s up to centrists who really wanted their skeevy sex pest in office to actually do what they have been preaching ever since puma pac failed to elect McCain. They need to vote blue no matter who.
They won’t.
And here I though you might finally be happy.
I’ll be happy when the election has run its course without the party engaging in the sort of fuckery they can’t ever seem to stop themselves from engaging in.
Yes, until an internal smear campaign takes them down, and the whole thing comes apart from petty infighting.
Maybe this is the real Blue MAGA
Whoever made this meme may need to brush up on what a binary choice is. I think we’ve had enough of people voting off their nose to spite their face.
Was the NYC primary a binary choice?
We were forced to choose between Andrew Cuomo and Unrealistic Unserious Far-Left Idealism.
The Democratic Primary voters were tricked by the far-left TikTok media into electing a jihadist intifada antisemite. Now the Democratic Party needs to step in and correct the mistake they made during the primary election by sending $400 Zillion dollars to the Andrew Cuomo Fight and Deliver ballot line in the general.
Zohran Mamdani’s irrational, unconceivable, unapologetic, apoplectic, apocalyptic campaign must be stopped before he ruins the perfect beautiful jewel of the East Coast that is NYC. He’s threatening to open publicly run grocery stores! He wants to make the bus FREE! HE IS A THREAT TO FREE MARKET CAPITALISM THAT HAS MADE OUR COUNTRY SO GREAT!
This was not a real democratic election. It was an invasion by an insurgency of illegal socialist radicals. We cannot, in good conscious, permit this farce to continue.
That’s why Curtis Silwa, Eric Adams, and Jim Walden need to step down and make way for Cuomo to run again, possibly uncontested if we can somehow disqualify Zohran from the general.
Just to let you know, I for one am very aware of the over the top tone and therefor sarcasm. I’m a bit puzzled that this isn’t obvious to anybody reading your comment.
shrug
I thought my alliteration was a dead giveaway. But not everyone appreciates the finer arts.
I mean yea but you sounded so much like a bot posing as a Dem that it’s hard to tell any more. Kinda crazy how what should be ridiculous crazed nonsense poised for laughs is just…normal? Expected? Depressing…yea that’s the one
I know it’s not much, but I appreciated the comment & the humor.
People got their underpants in a bunch
I mean I read it as sarcasm, but let’s not pretend there aren’t plenty of people out there who would say that dead ass serious. Lol
Because modern reality is unserious.
I read the first line then noped, then read yours and went back, it’s too good lol
Strongest “had us in the first half” game I’ve seen
Yes cause sarcasm is so easy to detect on the internet.
Why are people so much more concerned with how to fund new spending on social workers, but not concerned about how to fund Cuomo’s 15% increase in NYPD funding?
To be clear, my problem is with the latter not the former, but if you’re concerned about one you should be concerned about the other.
To be clear, my problem is with the latter not the former, but if you’re concerned about one you should be concerned about the other.
But…you’re concerned about one and not the other?
I’m concerned with people not asking where Cuomo’s money is coming from, not that people are asking where Zohrans money or coming from.
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NYC mayors race was using RCV this election. It was the least binary It could have gotten.
There was only one correct option and the voters failed to pick it. Now the Mamdani Menace will try to destroy New York just like his Tankie Far-Left Radicals destroyed Iran, Palestine, and Cuba.
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