- Farmhands deported, can’t find replacements
- $200k labor grant suspended indefinitely
- Lost subsidies, making less money on product
- Tariffs jacked up equipment prices and repairs
- Depends on Medicaid, no insurance if it’s cut
Oh boy, way to seriously fuck yourself from every conceivable angle, smart guys. Sumo wrestler lookin leopards after this one.
Add that any products grown for trade are sitting unwanted in fields, or for aid rotting in warehouses because the government canceled the contracts for them. Food is often held in special warehouses where the oxygen is pumped out, but there aren’t enough of those to hold all the excess that was expected to be sent elsewhere
It’s a colossal mess, with an incredible amount of waste
At least during Covid the farms were transporting food to churches/communities at lower prices. They literally have no one now to pick up the produce. Waiting on farms to start pick your own systems like blueberry farms.
That’s just good old fashioned republican efficiency. These boys better get their bootstraps and figure out which conglomerate they’re gonna sell the farm to.
Big corpos probably lining up to strike a bargain rn
It’s a colossal mess, with an incredible amount of waste
Yes. Yes, he is.
One more: China puts tariffs on agricultural products specifically, because they know what they’re doing.
Correction: every country has agricultural tarrifs to protect local farmers, except in extreme scenarios where populations are being starved or cannot produce food by themselves.
China put tariffs on us products from states that voted for trump, specially on soy beans IIRC.
This is just a gift for big farm.
Maybe these morons should stop voting to remove their employees. Too smart for these MAGAts.
Its truly incredible.
Their response will just be to fold, to literally sell the farm, and also at the same time never even be cognizant of the fact that they got exactly what they voted for, that Trump repeatedly said he was going to do exactly this, that lefties screamed about Project 2025 and the resounding response was basically ‘pff, he’s just bluffing,’ and then making up a fan fiction version of what Dear Leader will actually do.
They’re just gonna revert back to the ‘no one wants to work’ mantra untill we just literally put our incarcerated prisoners to work in the fields, going full circle all the way back to slavery.
These idiots didn’t even realize how dependant they were on so many massive subsidy programs untill they poofed out of existence, again, 100% in line with Trump’s platform.
Has any nation in history fucking autolobotomized as hard and as fast as we have?
Literally the world’s sole super power 20/30 years ago, and in a single generation we have destroyed ourselves in almost every way possible, short of just nuking ourselves.
Has any nation in history fucking autolobotomized as hard and as fast as we have?
Well, the Khmer Rouge killed everybody who wore glasses because they were “intellectuals,” China killed millions trying to force city kids to become farmers during the Cultural Revolution, and I’m pretty sure other autocratic totalitarian governments have fucked themselves in similar ways. Usually when societies become illiberal, people with brains are the first to be put up against the proverbial wall.
Just to add a point - if the farmers do end up folding and selling off, who’s going to buy the land? My money would be on large corpos.
Yes, it would 100% be large corpos that more or less run and own many farms that same way large landlords run 10s or 100s or 1000s of apartments / rental homes.
Sorry, I had thought this was so obvious it didn’t need to be directly stated, but yeah, it’s not a bad idea to be more explicit and more clear.
Bill Gates owns 270,000 acres of farmland already.
they tried it with prisoners already, they arnt doing it because they are already in jail, why work when you have all the ameneties provided for you, and it barely affects your sentence.
Much like how it is very easy to pass laws and ordinances that fuck over the homeless, it is also easy to pass laws and ordinances that fuck over prisoners.
The US Constitutional + Ammendments explicitly allows slavery as punishment for a crime you’ve been convicted of.
The Supreme Court has now repeatedly just thrown all prior existing legal case precedent out the window and just made such nakedly hypocritical rulings that its fair to say they are a completely biased and arbitrary institution.
The rule of law in the US is dead, is a farsical joke.
Some state will just pass a law that says uh hey, if you’re a prisoner in a facility in our state, and the state has some kind of extraordinary need, we can force you into involuntary labor.
Then other states will copy this once it passes one state’s court, then in 6 months-ish it’ll get to the Supreme Court who will say yep, checks out, carry on, and then every other red state and half the blue states will do it as well.
I am not 100% sure this will happen, but it is very, very plausible. 95% sure something like this will happen within 5 to 10 years, possibly less.
Also… its illegal to be homeless now, and the economy is crashing. Get foreclosed on, can’t pay rent, end up in the streets, living in your car?
Yep, why not crack down on that like ICE is cracking down on migrants, now you’re convicted of being homeless, the punishment is a few years of forced labor.
A few years? Optimistic, are we?
Dude what? Our Constitution literally allows for us to continue slavery as a punishment. Why the fuck would you ever think they had a choice?
No no no, they’ll vote for the GOP again, but hope they’ll force inmates or homeless people to work the fields.
I’m certain that when they say MAGA, they mean bring back slavery.
But instead of shipping in the slaves, using the existing stock
Don’t you guys have forced prison labour? That ought to do the trick. You can even employ Moore people that way because you need guards and fences, gps tracking on the volunteered workers and all that.
I hope the inmates and/or indigent perform plenty of malicious compliance if this happens.
they tried with inmates already, they arnt going to do it, they will do the bare minimum or nothing at all, since they have very little to gain from it.
Awww. That sucks. Your prolonged suffering as your entire lifes work slowly collapses around you, crops dying and cattle being sold in order to try and prop up what little you have left as you scream at everything around you…
Oh it’s going to be so fucking entertaining.
real “food comes from the supermarket” vibes here…
No. Real “I’m not an American and am done giving a single fuck” vibes here.
It’s almost like there are other places on the planet that are not the United States!
Being an American who is stuck here and didn’t choose any of this, wishing additional suffering upon us doesn’t feel great, but I understand where you’re coming from.
Wishing additional suffering upon us doesn’t feel great
Mind pointing out where I did that?
Edit: Your downvotes don’t change reality. I still never wished additional suffering on you. But leave it to an American to instantly scream “YOU’RE WISHING MORE HARM ON ME” for merely pointing out what is going to happen to farmers, and is happening to farmers, from their own actions. For enjoying their own suffering, you know, like the entire premise of this community?
The victim complex of the entire United States is fucking insane. Hilarious but insane.
You talked about how entertaining it will be to watch our agricultural industry collapse. Different but feels pretty similar.
Plus your gross hate complex for the entire country. It’s weird. Go outside.
Well, it will be entertaining, there’s no doubt of that.
Don’t want to sink with it? Leave the fucking sinking ship. The writing was on the wall for a full decade already.
You talked about how entertaining it will be to watch our agricultural industry collapse. Different but feels pretty similar
“Well, no, you didn’t actually say what we said you did but we don’t like you anyway so fuck off”
Lemmy’s really gone to shit lately with you cunts
Plus your gross hate complex for the entire country.
Once again, Americans just inventing shit to be upset about. I said that you’ve got a victim complex. How better to illustrate that than by a ridiculous overgeneralization focused on hate of the entire country.
Man… Like I said. The victim complex of your country is insane. Hilarious but insane. I’ll just laugh from the outside then, like everyone else. Because apparently if someone from the outside does laugh with you, y’all get real butthurt real fast. Have fun and, more importantly, good luck.
You can thank our fellow countrymen for that. America deserves international contempt because collectively were an international bully. I’ve gone overseas and have had a person tell me straight up I was the only American she has enjoyed talking to.
People overseas fucking hate us. Maybe if we bomb the middle east just one more time we can turn things around.
You do realize that corporations don’t care. They will import foods and this will also encourage small local farmers. Some will turn to gardening and foraging which is like printing money with no taxes.
Nobody is going to work for slave wages and slavery conditions. Raise wages! Improve working conditions! That’s the point of the whole Trump immigration policies you dumbass!
You got three sentences correct.
The point is to get votes and financial support from racists and xenophobes. The policies are just tools for it.
I thought farmers were their base though.
the rich white farm owners, yes. the owners dont do any of the farm work.
It is indeed baffling that immigrants worked all this time for slave wages under slavery conditions. USA is full of people taking advantage of others. It is not just Trump, it is the 50% of the population that is anti-social psychopathic sociopath.
it is not anywhere near baffling. it is an example of exactly how disgusting and terrible capitalism is. these times should be moving people radically left.
Meh, I mean sure capitalism sucks, but these people would try to exploit others for personal gain under any system.
And they won’t be able to if they never had the power (money in capitalism) to do so to begin with.
“Try” is the key word here. It only matters if anyone succeeds.
For real. In America being a psychopath is rewarded with money. And what’s worse is that there is something very dark and heartless happening that seems to have a hold of not just the government but the people as well. Like it’s now becoming known at least slightly, that America is not the image it branded itself as and that the people here are very much being manipulated socially and society is being orchestrated to be something that is not for humanity but instead for an ideology that feels like the essence of evil.
We should be realizing our nation isn’t for humanity. It’s all strictly business, and “the game” of conquering life and existence. And anything that gets in the way is the enemy.
As citizens here we aren’t special. They can do the same things they do to other countries to us. We can become the middle east warzone. The only reason they don’t do it inside the nation bluntly is because then it would show their true colors. So what they do is manipulate and divide the citizens over simple things and watch the citizens destroy themselves. The same geopolitical methods they use to overthrow countries they use here.
In America being a psychopath is rewarded with money.
That’s true anywhere on the planet.
Capitalism
I don’t think a lot of them realized just how bad it was, maybe not even a passing thought. I’m willing to give a pass to anyone who isn’t a farmer or has experience farming.
get ready for 300-400% inflation on food
It’s not inflation if that is actually how much it always should have cost. Our food is too cheap and full of shit.
That would be unpleasant, yes, and would require further efforts to minimize the consequences for those with low incomes (for instance, expansion of food subsidies, which yes would require even more taxation of those with wealth), however, if food prices aren’t as high as that now because of near slavery conditions, then there’s probably no ethical way to avoid it.
EXPANSION of food subsidies? They just gutted USDA programs providing food to food shelves all over the country. My local food bank recently switched to every two weeks instead of every week. It’s already bad and only getting worse
You may misunderstand, I’m not making any prediction that this administration or any like what we’ve had in a long time, if ever, would do such a thing. What I’m saying is that if some government was installed that actually cared, it’s not an impossibly to improve agricultural labor conditions without driving the working class broke from food cost increases.
Oh yeah, that’s definitely true. But our food system isn’t ass backwards on accident, you know?
The point is racism and cruelty.
The Republicans don’t give a fuck about workers wages.
The fuck are you talking about? It’s the Democrats saying we need a slave class, that we can’t deport them, not the Republicans.
To what Democratic policy or policies are you referring?
The one against deporting illegal immigrants?
Okay, but like specifically what law, proposed or enacted?
Psst: the deranged focus on deporting every single undocumented immigrant actually makes it easier for employers to exploit undocumented immigrants. You can’t threaten to deport someone for organizing labor if the government is only deporting criminals.
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The vast majority of the immigrants being deported are being forced to leave against their will. Why do you think they should have no say in the matter? Forced deportation is violent and cruel, and results in the separation of families.
If either party actually cared about the people, or budgets, or morality, instead of spending tens of thousands of dollars to remove each person, they would just check them in, have them sign a piece of paper, and grant them legal status.
25 downvotes, no upvotes?
Downvotes don’t change the past and the fact that Democrats enabled slavery.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1932_United_States_presidential_election
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_realignment
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixiecrat
Leaving this here instead of removing this dumbfuck comment for disinformation based on an intellectually dishonest half-truth.
Sorry but I didn’t mean it in that historic perspective and neither did OP.
It doesn’t matter what people say, it’s important what happens. By keeping illegal immigrants in their exploitive conditions, and by e.g. not prosecuting those who employ illegal immigrants, the Democrats created the current situation, together with the Republicans. The Democrats are complicit.
Nevertheless, those are interesting links.
Ah, sorry, that makes sense. If you didn’t know, there’s a common Republican talking point that – because the Democrats were the racist slavers in the 1800s and the Repuublicans the progressive abolitionists – the modern-day Democrats are the real racists because like, like, uh, look at what they did 160 years ago! Completely ignoring, of course, the context I linked to above.
I’m used to it. Lemmy has problems with the reality of the democrat party.
they prefer slaves.
The prices for grocery shopping are much higher in the US than in Germany (30% to 100% higher for unprocessed, healthy food). Yes, we also have immigration workers, but their status is legal and they get the official minimum wage.
It’s not that the US can’t afford to lower prices without illegals, they just want to maximise profit.
https://livingcost.org/cost/germany/united-states (You need to scroll down to the grocery part)
To be fair, in Germany a lot of food is imported from other countries that have different labor protections, so Spanish tomatoes could have different conditions. Of course Aldi and Lidl have popularized super efficient supply chains that help keeping prices low (and AFAIK they pay reasonable salaries).
not to mention, the fuckery around shrinkflation/cheapflation. many other products like oral care is heavily shrinkflationed.
This is what people don’t understand.
Yes, the work is hard, but good old Americans will do the work if they are paid.
No pay, no work.
Which raises prices, while wages won’t be
even if they did all that, its pretty back breaking work, you will your back or joints will be destroyed in the 30s, thats why also people dont stay in the trades that long either. disc disease from wear, is pretty hard to treat.
Which means the pay has to rise even more.
My guess is that this is a Peter Thiel move and robot companies are almost ready to deploy their farm helpers.
That’s the point of the whole Trump immigration policies you dumbass!
Is it? Why would you think that.
You might want to let Trump know that these are his objectives. I don’t think he’s aware that he’s supposed to strengthen OSHA and fight for higher wages.
he already gave the response to people complaining" you voted for what i cammpaigned on, deal with it"-paraphased trump exact words.
Lol. What a clownshow. You voted for this, morons. Decisions have consequences, even/ especially if it’s to sit out and do nothing, and yes, im now talking about the other group of idiots.
Absolutely. But I’m beginning to think there weren’t as many sit-outs as certain precincts would have us believe.
What’s funny is the old idea that book nerds know things but farmers do things is a source of pride for farmers.
The reality is that farmers are just nerds also.
Yet they think of themselves as something else, like mythical strong men beasts who feed the rest of us useless folks.
The real strong men are the very immigrants that do the literal toiling while the farmers are basically like mini CEOs by comparison
Their rejection of the very nerdiness thst gives them their mystique is ironic
They are smart enough to turn land into food
But not smart enough to realize how they actually do it
You DONT understand! All he Wanted was to Bully GAY Kids! He NEVER thought HIS Immigrant Workers who were STRAIGHT would be DEPORTED too EVEN THOUGH Trump promised to do that! STOP being SO Divisive you STUPID LIBRUL COMMIES!
-Chuck Schumer and the DNC!
What a Rollercoaster ride of a comment… fuck politicians in the US. This is the downfall of our society
Well, they won’t work for less than minimum wage, so there’s your problem. Hell, won’t even work for minimum wage.
Isn’t $7/hr minimum wage? That’s slave conditions as well.
Let’s think about this. If you work 8 hours under the hot sun with little breaks, you’ll get $56 and that’s before taxes. It’s insane. That’s probably not even what they’re paying them.
Farm labor is often 12-14 hour days. It’s backbreaking work. Also, Florida and Texas (and I’m not sure what other states) have passed laws eliminating guaranteed water breaks for outside workers.
I’m sorry, what the fuck?
The one in Texas got overturned in courts, but as far as I know, the Florida one made it through
Lower for agriculture workers under certain circumstances.
7.25 to be exact at the federal level. Some states set it higher though
But to be pedantic, being a slave has nothing to do with wage. Being a volunteer isn’t slavery.
Slavery is about consent.
Do you have a choice when you starve or work for what you can get? This isn’t rocket science.
Or I could pan handle. Or go to one of many homeless shelters/kitchens in my city. A couple options there.
And on what planet would you not expect someone to work for food?
Is pan handling legal?
Didja know there’s often waiting lists for shelters? Didja know that food banks usually require proof of residency? (Good luck cooking that bag of beans if you are unsheltered. Milk might have a few chunks in it too.)
Hmm, I wonder if you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
They’re options. I didn’t say they were good options, just that they were there.
The best way forward is to find a decent job that pays a living wage. Get your CDL or something, it’s really not that hard.
Get your CDL or something
Epilepsy.
I had a job that paid a living wage, they just made it illegal for trannies to have it 🙃
$7.25/hour is not a “living wage” regardless. It’s slavery, with extra steps
You can go to a place with better wages. Like many gas stations.
And living wage heavily depends on location.
What’s your wage? I bet it’s not $7 an hour.
No no, I did about six months of construction work out of high school, got my shit together and now I make a good wage. It might be harder for some people than others, but it’s still possible.
Bootstraps, ammiright
It might be harder for some people than others, but it’s still possible.
No it isn’t if you’re a minority of any kind in some places. Someone who landed on 2nd base telling everyone to become a professional player and hit a home run. I know you’re trolling, but hopefully this gives people something to read if they’re banned from the game.
If we all have to get fucked over, I’m definitely gonna laugh at the morons who chose this and will suffer worse than me
*can’t find american workers willing to work for what they’re offering.
pay more get more.
You’ll still have trouble finding people. Picking crops fucking sucks.
Pay even more. Just shows you the extend of the exploitation.
This is all designed to drive the family farm out of business and make land cheap.
Which is why billionaires have already been buying farmland and have been for years.
Slave labor, monitored by drones with AI supported facial recognition.
ICE facilities are currently overflowing. ICE prisoners will simply be leased out as farm labor.
Jesus fucking Christ that’s dark but entirely possible.
The US has always operated off of slave labor. We currently, among other things, use slave labor to fight forest fires.
I read somewhere the US both has a really high incarnation ratio (as in amounts of prisoners per x citizens) and a high percentage of externally employed prisoners. Interestingly those stats where compared to Russia (Siberian labour camps) and China (Uyghurs in forced labour).
i think its 1.2+million in for profit system, and you wonder why courts are often desperate to hand out convinctions often, despite the lack of evidence in many cases against disadvantaged people. it also helps breed future cannon fodder for the military too(through the children of the incarcerated), basically generational slavery.
Yes, we have one of the highest prisoner per-capita in the world
Nah it’s a reality
Bringing back that slave labor
It’s literally their plan
“THEY TUK URR JERBS!!!”
Morons
Way to screw all of us over your jingoism
No. Shit.
Especially not when OSHA is simultaneously being dismantled.
Just wait until we get those pesky child labor laws rolled back, then there’s a fresh new crop of serfs for the fields
Oklahoma already got a head start.
And Tennessee, Florida, and Wisconsin I believe.
Fuuuuuuck. That’s depressing.
Ugh. I HATE waiting!
Yes but that’s freedom.
Stupid cunts.
