We need a new progressive party
Nah, we just need to co-opt the current blue party and drag liberals along for the ride. Just need people willing to run on progressive policies.
And people to show up and vote in the primaries for the above mentioned candidates!
If I had a dollar for everyone who complained about Dem candidates but didn’t vote in the primaries, I’d probably deserve the guillotine.
Nah, it’s cuz of that other thing you did in junior high.
Honestly, if someone decided to execute me for any of my behavior in Middle School, I’d take my punishment without complaint. It’d be a just sentence tbqh
Teenage turds make the best adults.
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And a party willing to not put all its resources to preventing them from winning. Mamdani’s example is inspiring, and he’s likely going to win, but part of this is because his opponents are all toxic. In a more serious contest this sort of party meddling can and will tank progressive candidates to the benefit of Republicans.
They’re going to tank the progressive candidate regardless of whether or not they run as a Democrat. You have to take away power here, not just try to beat it. Winning primaries, and also actual party positions, both makes them weaker and us stronger. That’s way easier than trying to take both the Democratic Party and the GOP in a general.
I think we just need to outwork those fuckers and 20% turnout in the primaries just isn’t going to cut it. The number of people who support progressive policies dwarfs the number of people who vote in the primaries. Until that changes, a 3rd party isn’t going to do shit.
Yep, primaries and special elections are where grassroots grit can have the biggest impact. In my jurisdiction, there was a special election related to home rule. It was a MAGA power grab, no question.
It was defeated with almost 70% saying no to the formation of the Commission that would draft a home rule charter. About 30% of eligible voters in the county turned out, which is really high for a special.
They’re going to tank the progressive candidate regardless of whether or not they run as a Democrat.
True, which is why it’s important to have a free hand to fight back. It’s a lot harder to attack the Democratic Party as the hopelessly corrupt institution it is from the inside than from the outside. It’s easier to organize as a third party than as a group of individuals in a big tent organization that wants you gone, and that way you can take more radical action and use more radical rhetoric than when you’re in one way or another beholden to the party apparatus. For example a third party would be able to do things like organize protests, civil disobedience and strikes (which should be a hallmark tactic of any self-respecting leftists opposition party), attack establishment Democrats for being sellouts, run even when party sabotage tanks your primary campaign, put a whole organization’s weight behind favored candidates rather than individual endorsements and play hardball when you don’t get your way in government like centrists like to do so often. Of course splitting the vote under FPTP can lead to Republican victories, but with smart risk control this can be mitigated at less cost than cooperating with Democrats. Now technically most of these things can be done even as part of the Democratic Party, but they just aren’t, so founding a new party with principles and organization conductive to leftist action will result in a generally more effective party apparatus. Meanwhile trying to take over the DNC certainly offers a more attractive prize, but it comes with a whole spider web’s worth of strings attached.
Do both. People on the inside bolstered by support from outside groups. We are Legion. We can execute such a strategy.
We get it by taking over the Dems and forcing all the Goldwater Republicans in charge currently to join what remains of the Republican Party.
Exactly. They’re already going to get the votes of the people who only pay enough attention to vote Working Families in the general election. We just need to replace those candidates with progressives in the primaries. It’s shouldn’t be too difficult with the current <15% attendance. Mamdani saw a whopping 30% turnout.
The establishment pushing against him is a good thing. Think about what happened the first time Trump announced his candidacy. Voters love to vote for candidates that the establishment hates.
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No third party will ever have a chance of being successful. The Dems and Repubs wrote the laws to make sure of it. That’s why they can’t.
Not even just that they wrote laws to protect their status: A two party system is in and of itself prone to issues like what is currently going on. George Washington knew that, and warned about its dangers. Because it has happened multiple times throughout history.
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Three historic losers are probably not the best examples of success…
I don’t know that What guy, but the other three lost. Stein repeatedly (if we pretend she was trying to win and not leech votes from Democrats). You are providing evidence against your case.
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I think you should study the US political system more. They see the most realistic path to making change. If the Left can’t wield one of the two parties it will never wield the state.
Around 1 million New York Democrats showed up to vote, the highest raw total in a city primary since 1989, before Mamdani was born.
Weird…
Almost like giving people a candidate they agree with, makes them more likely to vote…
Why do people keep talking about candidates like they’re gifts?
He won a PRIMARY. We get progressives in NY primaries ALL THE TIME. The only difference with Mamdani’s win is that WE SHOWED UP.
This is how we take control of our Congress. Vote. In. Primaries.
Thank you.
I always get ticked when I see people talk in the general election “man these are two shitty candidates” when they didn’t vote in the primary.
The primaries are where much smaller grassroots movements can be far more effective than the general.
They’re arguably the most important elections for change. We should be voting twice every two years, not once every four, for federal elections alone. It’s much easier to remember with mail-in ballots, and they give you the names to research if you’ve been too busy to keep up.
Not like that!
There’s also 1 million more people than in 1989 and (I think?) a larger portion of NYCers are registered dems now. So that’s not actually that good. We should break turnout records every year if our population grows.
Fair, I always want turnout by percentage of total voters, because percent of total voters in each party is a big part of it.
A candidate that grows the party shouldn’t have their accomplishments reduced because they drive turnout.
We don’t live in an ideal word, most people don’t even vote in generals.
But large businesses cannot vote, that’s so unfair!
::: spoiler
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Establishment dems were mad people didn’t turn out for Harris.
You’re welcome.
I’m not 100% sure what you’re trying to say, just that it’s not relevant
You know they’re shitting themselves. Progressive successes pose more of a threat to incumbent Democrats than Republican successes
The Dem gerontocracy should be and needs to be “shitting themselves” cause each and every one of these older-than-dirt career politicians needs to be run out of politics entirely.
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The Dem gerontocracy are literally shitting themselves because they are so fucking old that they need Depends
*Democrats refuse to change policies in order to continue profiting off the suffering of constituents.
They don’t work for us.
