• @[email protected]
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    Look how stupid your country is, to hand the death of NATO to Putin because you’re on his side.

    Thanks for the war and death and heat, Americans.

    Fuck you.

    • Makhno
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      2011 days ago

      Thanks for the war and death and heat, Americans.

      Casting the first stone from paradise, eh?

        • @[email protected]
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          510 days ago

          I mean, not to absolve America of anything, but it’s not like the rest of the world hasn’t been complicit in burning paradise either.

  • @[email protected]
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    12811 days ago

    Just removing the US from another world stage

    Soon we will be completely irrelevant

    Which is the plan

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      Gonna be as isolated at North Korea by the end of this administration. As trusted too.

    • @[email protected]
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      Except they have the largest nuclear arsenal and the world biggest navy. They can’t be ignored.

      • @[email protected]
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        Only “solution” I see is civil war. The nukes are still a problem for the rest of the world though

        • @[email protected]
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          Eeeeehhh, if you just look at numbers of boats, yes. The US Navy has far, far more experience, though. Drones are also going to change the game in ways we’re only starting to see with the Ukraine War. With that, the answer might be “everyone’s boats are sunk now”.

          China probably couldn’t gain air superiority over Taiwan, and without that, an invasion will fail. That will be true even if the US ends up losing more boats.

        • @[email protected]
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          711 days ago

          sounds like E1 speak to me. I’m sure your BIL is a lovely cadet, but he should learn when to turn-to and stfu.

    • @[email protected]
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      710 days ago

      I wish they were just removing themselves from the world stage. What they’re actually doing is shifting away from a model of direct co-operation with allied nations and strong economic ties with otherwise less friendly nations, to unilateral action wherever and whenever they feel like it.

      Their foreign policy isn’t moving towards isolationism, it’s moving towards unchecked fascist domination.

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        lol the currency is heading to worthless, what are they going to buy resources with? Trade also requires allies.

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    I’m not saying Donald is a russian asset… But what more could daddy vladdy wish for?

    • @[email protected]
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      610 days ago

      We really need to examine this need people have to blame Russia for everything. Do you blame Russia when your dryer loses a sock too? It’s fascinating to me.

      • Ech
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        I might if Russia had a vested interest in taking my socks, and the dryer had a history of justifying Russia’s sock stealing.

      • @[email protected]
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        510 days ago

        Are we, including or excluding that it’s all, but been confirmed that he is a Russian asset ?whether it’s willing or unwilling remains to be seen.

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          Let’s pretend he isn’t a Russian asset. What would he do differently upon becoming one? At this point, being a Russian asset is the better explanation for his actions. If he isn’t, he’s making a lot of dumb decisions that benefit Putin and hurt the US and her allies.

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    Meanwhile, Putin and Russia is cheering this on. The parties they are going to throw are going to be absolutely epic. You’ve heard the party of the decade, you’ve heard of the party of the century, get ready for the party of the millennium.

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    I’m in no way supporting Russia or Republicans when I say this but NATO since its inception has been used for Western imperialist goals and establishing US global hegemony, so in no way do I support its existence anymore

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      You are in every way supporting both Russia and the Republicans saying that. If It wasn’t for nato, the Baltic states and maybe even some central European countries wouldn’t exist by now.

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        Sorry I’m not supporting an imperialist military organization that bombs civilians and has had nazi leadership

        Edit: Crazy this opinion is downvoted

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          611 days ago

          You don’t have to support nato if you don’t want to… just don’t say you are not supporting Russia. Nato has one purpose and it’s to stop the Soviet union / Russia from taking over Europe.

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            NATOs other purpose is to stop socialism/communism from existing and emerging anywhere, unjustifiably. The Soviet Union wasn’t going to take over Europe, that was a lie created by the US and others. The US was the aggressor during the Cold war working overtime to sabotage any socialist nation because of “freedoms” and “democracy.”

            Russia has been a capitalist country since the fall of the USSR (goal accomplished I guess) but the West has still wanted to destroy them even before the Ukraine conflict. Yes what Russia is doing is wrong and they need to be stopped, but also the US, EU, and NATO.

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                  I doubt that you think much at all. Just take the rubles, and peddle the crap from the white board in the data centre in St Petersburg…

              • @[email protected]
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                211 days ago

                Lol well the Soviets did have to move through Eastern Europe to Berlin to fight the nazi invasion

                • @[email protected]
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                  511 days ago

                  They also had to drink water when they were thirsty. Both of which are irrelevant to decades of brutal occupation.

        • @[email protected]
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          311 days ago

          LOL Pootin troll spotted. Shouldn’t you be digging babushka a fresh latrine pit, Yuri? The old one is full and Pootang needs it to recruit more of YOU from.

  • @[email protected]
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    Honestly, the American far-right unknowingly dismantling US global hegemony piece by piece is pretty sick

    • @[email protected]
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      810 days ago

      Just when I warmed up to the idea that NATO was a necessary evil to counter Putin’s worse evil.

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        It is but losing the traitor in the assembly is not a bad thing. Now if Europe could jailbreak all that American tech they have in their military gear too, that would be nice.

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        It also is a necessity to keep the USA from going Putin… Trump wouldn’t stop wanting to be a King. As a King he’d work on becoming the Emperor. As Caesar Donald the step to becoming the god emperor isn’t that big…

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          As Caesar Donald the step to becoming the god emperor isn’t that big…

          Kinda just hoping we can skip all that and go straight to the “Et tu, Bruté?” bit.

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      they’re doing it very knowingly… they wrote an entire nearly 1000 page fucking document detailing exactly what they’re doing in excruciating detail.

      the fascists == idiots trope needs to go bc that’s exactly what makes them dangerous. lots of these fuckers are quite intelligent and conniving. you should be weary.

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        the fascists == idiots trope needs to go bc that’s exactly what makes them dangerous.

        That plan doesn’t work. It assumes that the rest of the world just sits back and takes their crap lying down which isn’t happening. They genuinely think they can just take over Greenland and nothing would happen. I don’t know if they’re intelligent or not, but they’re definitely delusional.

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          They’ve handily proven time and time again in recent memory how they can in fact just do things and the rest of the world will sit back and take it lying down, though. That’s the problem. Anyone who thinks it’s just an America issue or something like that grievously misunderstands the tenuous house of cards that the pax americana and era of modern peace is built upon. Realistically, how far are you willing to go to prevent fascism? Would you die for it? Would you crawl through the trenches in a land many seas away from home? Some people might say yes but realistically most Westerners and others would never dare give up their creature comforts. It’s not delusional to think the world can change in the way they suggest precisely because they’ve suggested it - that is the hallmark of the fascist movement and what ties their collective ethos together, a philosophy of domination in all aspects.

          Idk in short, I agree that yeah these people are certainly morally bankrupt. Lots of them are delusional. Any group of people has some like that. That doesn’t mean we should strawman them. There’s lots of idiots and they might think the US could invade Greenland without causing an international crisis. Either fortunately or unfortunately, these aren’t the people saying that the US wants to own Greenland or that we should go to war with Iran, for example.

          The people who control and run this movement are not delusional. They’re dangerous.

      • Rose
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        Oh yeah, they have a plan all right.

        Now, the plan isn’t any good and everyone gets screwed, even them.

        But it is, technically speaking, a plan!

        • @[email protected]
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          i made the freudian slip originally before publishing the comment but decided to keep it in because it felt apt. lol

      • zqps
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        The followers of fascist movements are alsolute morons. The leaders are ruthless and capable opportunists.

      • @[email protected]
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        you should be weary.

        Oh don’t worry, we’re really freaking tired and weary of this nonsense.

        But we should also be wary of how sneaky these bastards are.

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      Between this and USAID I can’t say I’m unhappy about it. Of course dismantling imperialism is a good thing, but I also don’t understand. The republicans should be all about illegal invasions, bombing civilians, and installing puppet dictators, so they should love USAID and NATO, yet here we are. Is this just incompetence?

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    Of course NATO is not a trusted organization to an administration consisting exclusively of Russian agents.

    Seriously, are we sure these assholes even speak English and have English names or is there some cover-up going on?

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    USA showing again how they are traitors and cowards.

    • Agosagror
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      I thought that was more of a language barrier thing tbh, poor guy probably would have used father or dad if he knew the connatations.

      • @[email protected]
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        210 days ago

        Partly, yes. But also partly because world leaders have realised that if you don’t want the US to fuck you up the ass you need to say nice things to Trump, preferably combined with gifts.

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      Utahns generally don’t like to draw attention to themselves as firebrands (e.g. Mitt Romney, Orrin Hatch), so methinks the Senator is planning to get into the 2028 presidential primary.

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    Does the bill include all military installation closures and those that are on European territories? For example Greenland. If MAGA wants out, then GTFO and I do not want hear any crying afterwards because that will give the Europeans every excuse not purchase US made weapons. I’m certain US MIC lobbyists will weasel their way in to tear apart the bill.

    • Echo Dot
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      This is what I don’t get about their plan to take over the US. It won’t work because it will cost everyone money, the people they are ultimately beholden to will lose out because of actions they chose to take.

      As soon as the consequences become apparent interest in project 2025 is going to drop off a cliff.

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        As soon as the consequences become apparent interest in project 2025 is going to drop off a cliff.

        I want to believe