That’s literally his backstory. He’s a refugee from another planet that’s like the whole point.
Imagine being this goddamn stupid.
Well, Ackchyually…
The “Superman isn’t an immigrant” is a bad faith argument… but I think it’s technically correct.
Being an immigrant implies intent of moving from one country to another, which Superman didn’t have. Especially since he came to earth as a baby and has no ties to krypton. I wouldn’t call someone who was born in another country and was adopted as a baby into another country and immigrant.
Superman does explore themes of immigration from its conception. Though it’s worth noting that if viewed from this perspective, it’s a very old fashion American model of immigration, that might be viewed negatively today - he adopts his American upbringing in every meaningful way, especially his values, while his own culture is abandoned (nearly?) completely.
Supergirl, on the other hand, is an immigrant.
Superman is an immigrant created by two sons of immigrants.
His parents sent him to Earth to have a better life (any life at all really). Something similar happens in reality where parents in Central and South America send their children, alone, to the US.
Also happens with babies adopted from other countries. You may not consider them immigrants, but the government sure as hell does. There’s quite a bit of immigration paperwork that needs to get filed in order for one of those adoptions to go through.
Err… Superman’s an immigrant because the parents of both his creators were immigrants? Is that actually what you’re saying?
His parents sent him to Earth to have a better life (any life at all really) - Right, that was my main dilemma. Not saying you’re flat out wrong, but I think ‘immigrant’ exists in a cultural and social context. Let’s go over some examples:
- A woman gives birth on vacation
- A family moves to another country has a child and then moves back when the child is 12
- Having a child a day before immigrating.
- Having a child a day after immigrating. I’d say 2-4 are immigrants, because they and society would probably view themselves as immigrants.
If he were human, the government would consider him an immigrant - Legal status is irrelevant.
Superman didn’t have to translate things to his parents because he knew English better than they did, his upbringing didn’t give him an outsider insight to the culture that surrounded him, he doesn’t have an accent or not can code switch from English to Kryptonian, he isn’t viewed as different by his peers. He was raised as a whatever-generation farm boy from Kansas.
He does have Kryptonian heritage, which would make him closer to second generation immigrant. Just like his creators.
Superman’s an immigrant because the parents of both his creators were immigrants?
Joe Schuster is Canadian. It’s not just his parents. They moved to the US when he was 10.
This man is so close to understanding the white privilege. Doubt he has the ability to see though…
You just wrote an essay to argue semantics. Why? Maybe “refugee” would be more accurate, but the two are synonymous in the current political discussion. You’re creating a conflict here for no reason other than your own enjoyment from arguing. If that’s what you want to do, go to twitter.
disagreement != conflict
It’s not semantics, I think the social and cultural elements of being an immigrant are interesting. And I found that by talking to people who disagree with me, it improves the chances of learning something new.
Didn’t know trying to analyze the things posted here or voicing a different opinion is frowned upon here. How about:
What a boomer, he’s so stupid! Fuck Dean Cain!
(If you think that’s unfair, these are all upvoted posts)
Really because art doesn’t exist in a vacuum. Art is influenced by the culture in which it is created.
Are you seriously trying to argue that a man with unprecedented godlike powers from another world isn’t an allegory.
DUDE! In the 1940s they called Superman an immigrant… HE IS A FUCKING ALIEN!
Also he was an ILLEGAL alien! His escape pod landed outside some childless couple’s farm house in the mid-west, and bless their hearts the first thing they did was adopt him.
He was brought to (or rather, fired at) Earth as a baby. Arguably he should be first in line to be a DACA recipient.
He also spends his spare time literally fighting a billionaire, so there’s that…
Just remember; when someone says “don’t make it political,” that’s a statement with a political agenda.
Call them out on that bullshit.
Another chance to post this…
From a 1949 book cover distributed to schools by DC.
Superman was always woke you dummy.
The very notion of superman is woke. With his powers, he could rule earth. Instead he helps kids and little old ladies with nothing to gain for himself. The guy is empathy incarnate.
Such a cool story. One of the few DC titles I enjoy.
Fine, I guess I’ll go read All-Star Superman again.
I know we never measured up to these ideals, but at least we had them. Painful to see.
I don’t know what social media Gunn uses, but someone should get him to recreate this poster with David.
That’s a great idea!
Superman started off as Anti-Facist. But it’s worth noting it was co-opted during WW2 and the Cold War and became more of a propaganda vehicle than anything.
Ex-Superman Dean Cain can fuck off
Dean Cain is an idiot. So there’s that.
Sadly, yes. Like the hercules guy
Two of my childhood heroes dammit…
We still have Lucy Lawless. I heard the kid you played “Young Hercules” turned out to be a nice guy, I wonder what he’s been doing lately?
Oh, I wish I had her…
DISAPPOINTED!!
He’s also not white so what does he gain from making a stink about this? Japanese superman was the most woke thing to exist until 2018, he’s got no room to talk. His show was also basically about superman’s girlfriend, an extremely woke interpretation of superman. We can do this all day lmao
basically about superman’s girlfriend,
And casting Teri Hatcher in that role, someone who’s very expressive and versatile, was a huge success.
My girlfriend and I watched a couple episodes of Lois and Clarke recently because we were like “woke superman?” and then found out about dean cain being a maga idiot lmao I had never heard of dean cain before but it was so weird to have that kind of whiplash. Pick a lane, guy.
Not white? What color is he, pink?
Dean Cain and Kevin Sorbo - two people who would get their asses kicked by the characters they played.
I mean, literally all people would get their asses kicked if they got into a fight with either super man or hercules
I would just pray to hera that zeus wouldnt shut up about how hercules is his favorite son and how he cheats on her constantly. I would feed superman non stop blackpill content until he just leaves the planet.
Getting myself involved in the family drama of the greek gods? I would probably rather just take my ass kicking.
Gonna be hard to black pill a super human, that is very handsome in all the conventional ways, who was raised by good parents. He would probably just try to get you into therapy.
Meddling in the affairs of Mt. Olympus is a good to get turned into animal. Or a monster. Or impregnated by Zeus.
get turned into animal. Or a monster. Or impregnated by Zeus.
Zeus:
Also Zeus would probably have minimal qualms about transing your gender so us guys aren’t particularly safe either. Though that’s more of a Norse thing weirdly enough since I’m pretty sure Odin, Thor, and Loki all turned into women for various reasons.
Loki turned into a mare, got pregnant by a magic stallion, and gave birth to an eight-legged horse.
Loki also gave birth to the evils that woe man or something like that can’t remember the exact wording, regardless Loki is the mother and father to like half of the creatures of Norse and pan Germanic mythology. Also that horse is Sleipnir which is Odin’s mount, this whole situation was started because the Aesir were being cheap ass motherfuckers.
Lucy Lawless could probably take down Hercules.
He’s litterally an alien.
An Illegal alien at that. He can’t even claim Birthright Citizenship, if we still followed the Constitution I mean.
He can’t even claim Birthright Citizenship
Canonically, I believe he was still technically gestating in the pod before he arrived. So he’s more of an Anchor Baby.
Wasn’t he a child getting told to become space Jesus by Marlon Brando when he was still in the space pod?
He’s literally an illegal alien. Like, according to every definition of the words.
Acrtion Comics #1 …Lets see:
- Superman persuades the Governor to stay the execution of an innocent death-row inmate (p. 3-4)
- Beats up an abusive husband (p. 6-7)
- Dumps some rich sex-pests out of their car (p. 9-10)
- Intervenes in a corrupt lobbyist bribing a DC Senator (p. 11-end)
“When did Superman become so WOOOooooOOOke???”
thank you, at least we have a definitive answer now: literally in the first comic book that he appeared in.
Wait can someone explain since when is superman not an immigrant? Bro literally fell from the sky or some shit from an alien planet. How the fuck is he not an immigrant? Oh right hes white.
Jesus is whitey white aswell
6’3" Dutch-Irishman with crystal blue eyes and perfectly manicured cuticles.
Not that it is incorrect to call him an immigrant, but I do think “castaway” and “refugee” fit his situation a little better. Still a xenophobic thing to say he’s not an immigrant. Every single document regarding Clark Kent’s existence is falsified, so he is, by definition, an illegal alien.
They actually changed this in the mid-90s (and since changed it back). From 96-09, he was a legal US citizen because his “rocket” was somehow just incubating the embryonic Kal-El and thus he was ACTUALLY born on American soil from the Birthing Matrix.
I mean from a lore standpoint thats interesting but for the overall story him being an immigrant works much better.
In principle a baby found on U.S. soil that you cannot find the parents of is assumed to be a baby born in the U.S. and therefore a U.S. citizen by birth according to the 14th amendment.
Anyone who thinks they are going to be sent to a concentration camp could ditch their baby at a fire station and I can’t see how it wouldn’t be a citizen.
You can’t prove the child came from insert country unless you are taking blood samples from all the kids and populous and cross checking them to see if they match. It would cost way more than just ignoring it.
Mother’s give home births all the time. And if people are anti abortion, then they better be ready for a lot of babies dropped off at fire stations without paperwork
fortunately the US recently solved this problem by simply making it “legal” to toss people out even if they’re actively shoving proof of their citizenship in the face of an ICE agent
he was ACTUALLY born on American soil from the Birthing Matrix.
Reader: “How is he not an immigrant alien?”
90s DC Retconners: Slaps the side of a weird techno-widget “Space Wizards did it.”
right wingers will accept that explanation and then start screeching about made-up stories of mexicans bringing birthing machines onto US soil to replace the population
You’re also forgetting he is generally considered a good guy and wears Red (valor and bravery) and blue(vigilance, peserverence, and justice) on the American flag. He doesn’t wear white as that represents purity and innocence.
Ignoranus n. Someone who is both ignorant and an asshole.
Every once in a while I’m reminded of what an absolute dipshit one of my fondly remembered actors from childhood is
Yep they all seem to go batshit insane sooner or later. Really sad.
I saw a YouTube short the other day of Bruce Campbell talking about how there’s this stereotype in acting where the good-guy actors are all pieces of shit, and the bad-guy actors are all the nicest people you’ve ever met.
Brisco County Jr. was a good guy. Dang, now I gotta dig out those DVD’s.
Does it hold up? I’ve specifically avoided it as an adult because I was worried it wouldn’t. Ash vs. Evil Dead is fantastic if you haven’t seen it, btw.
I was an adult (at least chronologically) when it came out and I enjoyed it so you might find it holds up.
Thanks for the recommendation.
It’s kind of true for horror. Kane Hodder and Gunnar Hansen are/were very gracious to fans and really seem/ed to enjoy being icons of the genre.
Most of the actors I’ve met who played a lead role in horror movies tended to be bitter and snide towards the fans. A lot of weird spiritual delusions, too. The amount of times I’ve stuck listening to how they can see real ghosts or how horror can negatively effect my aura and shit like that from these people is fucking weird.
Cognitive decline leading them to adopt ideologies that don’t require them to think too hard
Sadly, it’s profitable.
Yeah, I kind of enjoyed Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman back then.
it’s one thing seeing these idiots, but even more disappointing to see so-called liberals supporting genocide.
I kinda wish they had gone for an actor of middle eastern descent, or perhaps even immigrant status, to portray Supes. For no reason other than to piss off the bigots.
