Remember kids: Vote blue no matter who only applies to progressives.
Want to run a campaign against the duly nominated candidate?
Only if you’re a neoliberal sex pest. Otherwise you want republicans to win.
For a second I had this confused with the Toronto mayoral election, where the former sex pest mayor is rumored to be considering re-running against the person who supplanted him last election
It also reminds me of the incumbent NDP ridings we lost to the cons because liberal voters don’t do strategic voting, yet they expect progressives to.
Vote progressive, the platform is impressive. The people aren’t oppressive and their art is more expressive - their passion is expressive but the message isn’t agressive.
For the people needs to be accomplished By the people.
Thank you Robin Williams Batty.
There is exactly 0 comparison more honorable.
You think the DNC is pushing this? Or is this just throwing shit to throw shit?
Vote blue still applies here. I don’t know who told you it doesn’t.
Someone needs to tell that to Cuomo.
Cuomo can fuck right off. And he’s declared himself not part of the DNC.
Yeah but he’s a registered Democrat and should back the nominee.
Unless you’d be okay with Bernie running as an independent in 2016.
No shit. Cuomo’s a shitbag.
You think the DNC is pushing this?
I think they’re going to be more open about doing so as the election approaches.
Vote blue still applies here.
Progressives step aside when centrists win the primaries that the party went to court for the right to rig.
the party went to court for the right to rig.
Not a fair interpretation of an argument made by a single DNC lawyer in a single context. Also, the primary is over and Mamdani won.
Not a fair interpretation of an argument made by a single DNC lawyer in a single context.
A completely accurate representation, made by a lawyer representing the party and setting precedent they have taken advantage of ever since.
Also, the primary is over and Mamdani won.
I’m not sorry that the party’s machinations against the left fail sometimes.
It’s accurate that their lawyer made that true argument. That’s just how party primaries work in the US, unfortunately. It’s not accurate that “the party went to court for the right to rig”. The whole point of the argument was to avoid a potentially long and expensive case from moving forward. The context matters, and the lawyer would have been incompetent not to bring it up, as would a Republican or even Green party lawyer in that situation.
That’s an overly charitable interpretation.
What actually happened was that progressives sued the DNC for unfairly rigging the primaries, which they did.
Rather than try to deny it, they went with the tactic of saying “well we’re allowed to because we own the process, not the voters”.
This in spite of their own charter mandating that they stay neutral and not favor any candidate over others during the primary process.
I don’t think the word “rigging” tells an accurate story. I do think they pulled strings to get all the establishment candidates to Voltron into Biden for super Tuesday. I do think they influenced their cohorts in the media to make Bernie look like he couldn’t win the general. I don’t believe they messed with the voting process itself, which is what “rigging” tends to invoke.
Rather than try to deny it, they went with the tactic of saying
Again, context matters. In a legal process there are different times to make different arguments, and a good lawyer makes use every argument available. This particular argument dealt with whether or not the court had jurisdiction in the matter, so it came early in the process.
This in spite of their own charter mandating that they stay neutral
What exactly does that mean? Is every member required to be personally neutral in even their personal relationships outside the DNC? Does that extend to Obama who is neither a board member or on staff at the DNC? Being neutral is a good idea, but that rule is pretty meaningless.
To be clear, I am no apologist for the Democratic establishment. I blame them more for Trump than the Republicans. That’s why I want progressives to show up and vote them out in primaries. Giving the false impression that their vote won’t count is counterproductive.
God damn, you’re hyperfixating on one part of my initial comment because you don’t like people remembering how awful your wing of the party constantly is to anyone but netanyahu and two cheneys.
You have no fucking idea what wing of the party I belong to.
The DNC sure as hell isn’t pushing Mamdani, is the point.
Whether they’ll put their enormous propaganda machine behind Cuomo, Adams, or none of the candidates remains to be seen, but you can bet your bottom dollar that they won’t be going anywhere near as hard for the progressive running under their banner as they have for both of the Republicans in all but name he’s running against in the past.
The DNC leadership is almost half as corrupt and hypocritical as the fascist party they pretend to be the only possible alternative to.
Or at least that’s the narrative you want on Lemmy. It’s partly true.
Nope, that’s what factually is happening.
Just because the Neoliberals from your favorite billionaire-owned media says something doesn’t make it true.
Well, let’s see what happens. If the Democratic establishment pushes Mamdani hard, this will be true.
The person you’re replying to is just used to the establishment fighting against progressive insurgents.
If the Democratic establishment pushes Mamdani hard
Sure, and pigs might fly!
Never forget that it was a coalition led by the Dem leadership on behalf of AIPAC that ousted both Cori Bush and Jamaal Bowman.
They always fight tooth and nail against progressives and roll over on most of the demands of the fascists in the name of “bipartisanship”
The person you’re replying to is just used to the establishment fighting against progressive insurgents.
As is anyone who’s ever paid attention 🤷
Thanks, I’ll tell your waiter.
IDK what you’re saying, the progressive is the blue in this context. Mamdani is the DNC candidate, Cuomo is independent.
What an absolute chode
Don’t you mean taint?
Gooch.
asshole
The general election won’t have ranked choice. Adams and Cuomo may end up splitting the “willing to vote for corrupt dirtbag” ticket and let Mamdani cruise to victory.
We can dream.
I expect one or the other will get pressured/bribed into dropping out.
Yes, that’s probably correct. It’ll be late in the race, because both of them are pig headed and want the other one to do it. That will only drag down whomever does end up staying in. It’ll be a glorious game of political chicken. I’m ordering all the popcorn now.
I thought the donors were going to pick one and push out the other, but web search indicates that hasn’t been successful yet. We’ll see.
They fight amongst themselves, too.
They’re all sociopaths. You can use that fact to predict how they function.
Yep, two shit bag neoliberals running I and an actual Republican.
This is both good for Mamdani and what will be used as an excuse when he wins.
Is the Republican even relevant in NYC this election? I saw this as Lieberman for Connecticut redux.
The Republican is the Guardian Angels guy from the 80s, he’s probably not relevant outside of Staten Island, and a few old cat ladies.
Careful. He has huge name recognition.
Not necessarily for good reasons, though. Particularly over the last decade or so.
He doesn’t even have the “just woke up from a 40-year coma” vote sewn up, since there’s a Cuomo running…
If there’s 3 “Democrats” running, he might be.
yes they have won NYC elections in the past, nyc has a habit of choosing a republican, or Democrat that works with republicans.
Have they ever had a choice that wasn’t one of those two things before?
I mean, that’s not even a dream, that’s just what’s almost certainly WILL happen since they appeal to almost exactly the same demographics across the board.
Would be a surprise if more than one of them even reaches double digit percentages, actually.
May it be so.
If Mamdani holds out until November, the rest of the country will see that it is possible to vote for a fair shake. If he gets buried, I think voting will be the least of our worries.
These fuckers are so obsessed with power and pushing their “vision” that they refuse to let go, step aside,or support the younger generations coming up that ha e a very different view on the world and how it should be. Get these geriatric fucks out of office and let’s move into the 21st century.
They’re preventing the change that’s actually going to allow the left win elections again. It’s pretty obvious that the Democratic Tea Party moment is starting. Who’s knows what this will be called years from now, but it’s starting. They learned nothing from what the party did to Bernie Sanders.
He knows he can’t win. He can only split the vote, and he’s gonna do it anyway.
They learned nothing from what the party did to Bernie Sanders.
They learned that they’re ok with losing to republicans as long as progressives are shut out.
He is a spiteful little ball sack.
He can be the third party where his wife and me are having sex and hes the cuck
DNC normally: “3rd parties don’t function in our two party system, there’s no point in voting for them”
DNC after losing their own primary: 3rd party it is
“Vote Blue No Matter Who” reverts to “Party Unity My Ass” as soon as centrists don’t get 100% of everything they want.
These “” seem to have fallen from around the word centrists
They have not.
They’re not centrists as much as they want to believe they are. They are firmly conservative.
Conservative and centrist are functionally synonyms at this point.
DNC normally "3rd parties don’t function in our two party system, there’s no point in voting for them
That part is just reality.
That’s why they sued to keep De La Cruz off the ballot in swing states.
It’s almost like mayoral politics in one of the most populous cities on the planet is somewhat different than state and federal level politics.
Who knew
Now we’re taking about Democrats and the DNC.
No, we are talking about both. Go re-read the thread for context.
The original comment was comparing the DNC’s behavior at the national level, with a mayoral primary with ranked choice voting in one of the bluest cities in the US.
I’m saying it’s not even close to a 1:1 comparison
Reality created and enforced by those two parties, especially the DNC.
A 3rd party won’t be viable in our lifetimes.
Welcome to reality.
The DNC would rather have a MAGA win it than Zohran.
He is quite desperate to be a mayor. Maybe try a smaller town.
Pawnee?
Could someone explain what’s happening to a non-american? I was under the impression that this Madmani gentleman had already won the mayoral race. Are they having another election for something else??
Mamdani won the primary election. In the US parties don’t choose their candidates for elections (in b4 “but superdelegates!”) like you see in other electoral systems where an internal party committee selects a candidate list. So this election was determining who was going to be the Democratic candidate for the actual election.
But New York has some weird fusion laws that allow people to run on multiple party lines so Cuomo, even though he lost the Democratic nomination, can still run in the general election.
It should be noted that parties can choose their candidates without an election if they really want to, but it’s not a good idea if they want a chance to win. See the most recent presidential election for an example.
That’s true. Presidential elections are a little different given the primaries are technically only for convention delegates bound only for the first vote. There’s also instances where the party picks in the face of a candidate death before the primary or general, such as in Minnesota in 2002.
This was a big development in US politics that happened more or less due to fallout from the Vietnam War. Look at the map of the 1968 Democratic primaries and 1972 Democratic primaries. After the catastrophe that was 1968 Democratic National Convention in Chicago—driven by the drama around LBJ’s late departure, Hubert Humphrey being despicable, and the hope and ultimate assassination of RFK, and the lack of responsiveness to the anti-war movement, there was a serious push to move the process from one controlled almost entirely by party officials to a more democratic, if still party-official-directed process.
Parties don’t choose candidates other than the presidential election, which they could change the rules, but in the aftermath of 2016 presidential election, the Democratic Party have changed the rules and have since forbidden superdelefates from voting the first round and haven’t changed it since (as far as I know). If the first round fails to gain a 50%+1 majority, then superdelegates can participate. (I think republicans still have superdelegates tho) For non-presidential primaries, primaries are run by the states, governed by state laws, not a party’s rules. Anyone can just register as either a Democrat or Republican and run.
The main powers of a political party is not vote tamering, votes themselves aren’t actually being tampered with (for the most part), they just have unlimited funds to buy propaganda to make their status quo candidates have more support.
We have elections over who will be the candidate for each party called Primaries. Mamdani won the primary for the democratic party.
Cuomo is now saying that although he lost to Mamdani in the primary, he’s going to run independent of parties.
This is pissing people off for a few reasons.
One of the biggest reasons though, we’ve had years where we were told to, “Vote Blue No Matter Who” because undeniably the republicans are worse. Now that an actual leftist won their primary though, Cuomo (a long time democrat) is now spoiling the vote by running independently.
This is following a billionare stating he’ll give millions to anyone who has a shot of beating Mamdani.
It definitely appears Cuomo would rather have a republican win than to let a leftist win.
Can there be multiple independents? As in, those who got neither the dem or rep nominations, but still want to run in the general election, do they all end up on the general ballot, or will ll they have to face each other in a semi-primary first?
Yes, and they are not required to run in a primary because those are run by each party (being independent means you don’t have a party to begin with)
There’s no limit (AFAIK) to the number of candidates on the ballot, but there is a deadline to file and that deadline has passed. Cuomo had preemptively filed as an independent candidate in case he didn’t win the primary (I think Mamdani did this too), but had not publicly stated whether he would use it until now.
In some places in the US (I’ve never lived in NY, so I’m not sure if it applies there) when you file as an independent candidate, you have to produce a petition with a certain number of signatures with your paperwork.
This generally limits the number of crazy uncles who can appear on the ballot.
A couple months ago I ran into a guy collecting signatures for Cuomo by Atlantic center (a major transit hub in Brooklyn). I was just like “why?? Why are you doing this??” But sadly I was in a hurry and didn’t have time to engage with him very long
If he couldn’t even get enough votes to win the democratic primary then how is he a threat as an independent, how many people are gonna vote for an independent
Doesn’t take too much for the spolier effect to screw the whole thing up!
Yeah, in a normal Dem/MAGA race, a spoiler could damage one side or another, but this is essentially a one man race, with three spoilers. It’s unlikely that any single spoiler could garner enough votes to beat Zohran. The spoilers will most likely just take votes from each other more than Zohran.
Zohran crushed Cuomo by 10 points in the primary (despite Cuomo outspending him by a mile), how do they think Cuomo is going to close that gap, without losing ANY votes to Adams or Sliwa? Obviously, they think that their doom & gloom histrionics following Zohran’s win will scared enough people away from Zohran, but it looks to me like they may have actually chased a lot of non-primary voters toward him for the general, rather than warned people off.
I’m not worried about this spoiler strategy. They are deploying it poorly, and it going to hurt them far more than it will help.
The MAGAs AND the Establishment Democrats have not figured out that the people are not listening to them, and an increasing number are forging their own political path. Dems are starting to become targets just as much as MAGAs. In 2010, the Tea Party made a big splash, and opened the door for MAGA. We are now at a point where the Progressives are poised to do the same thing, and change the direction of their party. The DNC had better go along, or they’ll be left behind. Taking control of the DNC should be the Progressives’ primary strategy right now, and we don’t have to wait for an election to do it.
In addition to what the others said here, it’s worth knowing that despite all the manufactured contention around this race, Mamdani is heavily favored to win no matter who else enters the final race. The news and youtubers love to find the edge-case weirdos and hype up the drama around it being “BATTLE OF THE CENTURY” because our country’s brains have collectively oozed out our ears.
So no rallying behind the candidate then, eh?
What a shocker.
No no we’re supposed to rally behind their candidates.
“We’d really recommend that you use our product. You want to use an alternative? Well… we’ll leave our product right here anyway.”
Diddler shitsack Cuomo
Democrats think we vote for them because we like them
Yep, this is one thing we have because of this set of events… there is no excuse now not to primary establishment democrats nor is there any reason to vote blue no matter who… and the corporate establishment democrats are shitting their pants
At this point democratic leadership could come out in favor of Mamdani the destroyer and it would only lose him votes. I hope
I hope
This screams “I am corrupt as fuuuuuuuck!!!” so hard…like that time that Bob Dole got Elizabeth Dole elected from a state she didnt live in so he could get lobbyist access again after losing the Presidential election.
“Vote Blue No Matter Who!!”
Funny how that is only a thing when they’re running a “practically a Republican” ‘Democrat’ and not when someone who’s actually a leftist starts getting some approval.
Blue no matter who is a stupid idea and now it is obvious thank goodness
It’s suddenly a stupid idea because a progressive won the primary. How convenient.
I thought it was a stupid idea before, and now that the democratic leadership is not supporting a progressive who won the primary, it’s quite obvious that it was a dumb, bad faith suggestion from the start
Democrats leadership have proved beyond doubt that it was a bad faith, dumb idea all along.
