The intrigue: The “Rule of Five” law allows any five members of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee to request federal agencies to provide information about “any matter within the jurisdiction of the committee.”
Someone posted this up on here a couple of weeks ago. I’ll do my part to repost it:
From reddit… https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/s/eBjDX0zt07
https://joshwho.net/EpsteinList/gov.uscourts.nysd.447706.1320.0-combined.pdf (verified court documents)
https://joshwho.net/EpsteinList/black-book-unredacted.pdf (verified pre-Bondi) Trump is on page 85, or pdf pg. 80
Trump’s name is circled. The circled individuals are the ones involved in the trafficking ring according to the person who originally released the book. These people would be “The List “ Here is the story.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsiKUXrlcac
—————————other Epstein Information
https://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/Johnson/_TrumpEpstein/_Calif/_Lawsuit.pdf here’s a court doc of Epstein and Trump raping a 13 yr old together.
Some people think this claim is a hoax. Here is Katies testimony on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnib-OORRRo
It’s weird that the Senate had a special centuries old rule requiring everyone produce at least once piece of child pornography before a vote can continue, but I guess the 1830s was just a different time.
No fucking way
Fuck yes, man! We cannot let up here. Okay, call me looney, because I totally am and rather manic right now. I been digging into this shit. The “Epstein Sex Scandal” was a honeypot operation. Hear me out. So we can’t tell which fucking way is up, because we are under a multi-prong attack. The 2016 Russian interference investigation showed misinformation campaigning (i.e. psychological warfare). The DEA confirmed that fentanyl precursors are mostly Chinese. The Opium Wars clearly show that China knows a thing or two about narcotic warfare. I’ve spent a lot of time with theoretical physics - I even have a TOE formalized, and I’m working on my 1D relativistic simulator. I think it’s clear that certain sciences have been stunted, but I have no links for that. Maxwell’s father worked for several intelligence agencies, including the Mossad. The Sex trafficking originated in Soviet Russia as a child-run child-prostitution ring, in response to famine. Intelligence agencies link to the DARE program, amplifying the effect of narcotic warfare. Our “special relationship” with Israel is a perfect strategic position to fight the oil wars, beating up on Iran with protecting Jerusalem providing a cover story. Israel is buddies with everyone and all of these intelligence communities work together. Our pact with Israel is the heart of the war machine. Add the financial sector in with its private, debt-based currency, and you get a picture of the deep state war machine. But, look at motivation. Look at the nature of the Epstein honeypot. Could have been personal blackmail, threats to family, whatever to get leverage over these powerful people. But, no. They went for the desecration of the innocent on an industrial scale. We’re not hunting pedophiles. We are hunting the apocalypse cult, and we found their fucking temple.
Dude, ease up on the narcotics my man.
Yeah we found their temple. Their pedophile temple. Because they’re pedophiles. Yes evangelicals are often accelerationists, because they want Jesus to hurry up so they can get raptured or whatever.
Things generally have simple explanations. No need to connect things that aren’t connected.
Not narcotics. Just bipolar. And yeah, I get ahead of myself. Thank you.
Going nowhere in 3… 2…
Schumer said the files could be released with redactions because keeping the information of the victims private “must be of top importance.”
Sure, keep the victims private, but don’t give them free license to redact shit.
The list is released with all names redacted. Because the right would consider anyone on the list as a victim, even those who committed crimes.
Ding ding ding. Nixon tapes pt 2 pedophile boogaloo
This is obviously the answer to why the victim count went up and the perpetrator count went down to 2, soon to be 1. They’re interpreting Trump as a victim and trying to figure out how to argue that he is a victim, but Clinton isn’t to throw meat to the wolves.
There are not 1000s of women at a brothel, but there may be 1000s of johns.
And Democrats will fall for it again. They’ll go after Clinton, because that is the high road. Everyone on the list needs to be brought to whatever justice is due.
Just like the Panama papers… sigh.
There’s actually been a guy to go to prison over the Panama Papers. Sorry, he went to jail over paying to have a journalist murdered.
They still haven’t had the trial yet, but the jackass spent 6 years in jail before they granted him bail.
His henchmen in the murder are all some form of sentence with one of them having turned state’s witness.
The coverup is often worse than the crime. I say often because Trump is try to cover up an extremely serious crime. Or rather a bunch of them.
We wouldn’t want to hurt their reputation, would we/s
Good news they’ll just use black highlight instead of actually redacting anything.
Seeing at how incompetent DOGE was. This is totally plausible.
Trumpie truly does surround himself with the best.
Honestly, I’m imagining a ridiculous scenario where the victims get protection and their names are accidentally outed in the Epstein files. Imagine all the Trumpers going off to threaten these victims and being shot dead for it. Solves so many problems all at once.
Sigh.
I’m not 100% sure he means from their redactions? I think the law only allows senators access to the files, so he might be meaning senators / senator staff releasing it after getting it then redacting victim names?
In either case, doing this still keeps it in the news which hurts Trump. Senate Dems can and should keep doing everything like this instead of Schumer’s previous strategy of stuff like caving on the CR for no reason. This is notable improvement from senate dems even compared to recently
Especially because house dems have shown more fight. They were far more aggressive in trying to force votes on releasing the files which lead to Republicans just shutting down the house instead of voting on it. Which both works to show Republicans are complicit and stops them from pushing through worse bills for an extra few weeks. Senate dems tried a couple of unanimous consent votes, but didn’t see it quite to the level of house dems forcing amendment votes in every committee on damn near everything
What he means vs. what he said. The GOP can twist it so that they follow the letter of his words, not the spirit of his intent.
Schumer’s on the list.
They don’t want the billionaires to be victims of cancel culture.
What’s the plan if the files contain damming evidence against Trump? Will he be impeached? Will he be arrested like anybody else? Will there just be no consequences whatsoever? What is the protocol when the president is revealed to have committed heinous crimes? I want to know NOW!
An immediate admission of an active alien invasion and the activation of the new patriot II act.
Well once it really gets proven he is a pedo, which we’re pretty close to, his own base will likely eat him alive and, I dunno, split off into factions?
What will happen?
Anywhere from nothing to full out civil war, pushed mostly by
the craziesMAGA.damming evidence
Stop the flow of water, generate electricity, sustainable energy.
I believe
Took me a second, but I go there
They would 100% never let files with Trump’s name in it out. This is going to absolutely backfire on the Democrats when the Republicans inevitably release a doctored list with all their political enemies on it. This is so much better for the Dems when the files are a big MacGuffin. Even if by some miracle they did release the actual list and Trump was on it, they would say it was a witch hunt by the corrupt Biden administration and MAGA would eat it up. There will never be legal consequences for any of them, ever. If they ever do get consequences it will be because of some brave Luigi.
one possibility is people who have been ensconced in MAGA, entirely because they think every Democrat eats babies, will have their reality shattered by the completely obvious and well documented fact that Trump is a pedophile, and not even just A pedophile but THE pedophile, the final boss of 1990s human trafficking and serial rape.
I don’t have much faith they’ll care. A big part of their ideology is hurting women and children. It’s already well known he’s a rapist, he’s said as much himself. They famously don’t care about truth. I think absolutely damning evidence will come out, and they’ll move forward without much fuss.
This. They’ll scramble for a few days until Fox News gets the narrative ready for spoon-feeding, then calling him a pedophile will be dismissed as another facet of “orange man bad”.
Anecdotally I have seen evidence of Trump supporters in my own life who have fallen off their love of him. Mostly though it’s because their own lives have not improved. They aren’t hardcore magas just people who don’t know any better, are not smart, kind of racist, or just sucked into whatever rabbit hole they’ve found.
I doubt it’ll change much what’s presented in media and functionally who’s voting for him/others like him. But it’s been nice not to hear people praise him day to day in my own life.
people who have been ensconced in MAGA, entirely because they think every Democrat eats babies, will have their reality shattered
Hard to have your reality shattered when you weren’t living in reality to begin with.
You’ve got a clutch of hooting, screaming podcaster apes who have been flogging Epstein as the Rosetta Stone of a dozen different conspiracy theories. They were supposed to dine out on Pam Bondi dripping “Breaking! New Epstein Things! Rosie O’Donald and Greta Thunberg definitely in the same state as Jeffrey during peak pedophilia era!”
Instead, Trump just puts the kabosh on the whole thing, barely a month after Bondi teases a whole string of info dumps.
If you can jangle a different set of keys in their faces, they’ll come back around. Trump’s just not willing to do that because he’s gone into his “bored of being President” phase.
Oh yea, he will definitely be impeached for the third time. One more impeachment and he’ll get a Writ of Reprimand. 4 of those and a Supreme Court judge literally slaps him on the wrist. That’ll show him.
Will they slap him with this?
no, those were recalled for slicing up people’s wrists
If someone slapped me with that I’d prefer it sliced my wrists. I don’t want to live knowing I’ve worn one.
That’s what happens when more than 33 senators are willing to stand by the president no matter what they do I suppose. When it came to honor/shame, no one ever thought someone so wretched wouldn’t just be forcibly removed by the people around them.
33 lmao, judging by the senate confirmation votes, there’s at least 50.
33+ is the requirement to not be removed when impeached. At that point we can basically stop counting
57 voted he was guilty on the last one (the insurrection)
Well, if 20 Republicans crossed the aisle he could be removed from office. I think more likely is we’ll be seeing lots of GOP seats lost in the midterm elections.
if 20 Republicans crossed the aisle he could be removed from office.
I would sooner bank on 20 Dems leaping to his defense in the name of bipartisanship
Based on what?
The fact that they’re spineless
So, your unfounded feelings? You’re basically just a Republican trying to Cope, is that what you came here to say?
Have you not been paying attention these last decade or so? The Dems have been capitulating at every opportunity.
In the last decade the DNC have not had more than 50 senators. Not 51, not 52, but exactly 50 or less.
Thats why. If you want them to do something, give them the power.
Any day now…
Anyyyyyy daayyyyyyy
How can Republicans block this…?
By continuing to not follow the law or process as it benefits them like they have been. But good on Dems for the constant pressure. That’s exactly what they need to do.
Right! It’s like when the Supreme Court told Andy Jackson that he couldn’t just forcibly deport Cherokee from their peaceful and prosperous farming communities. He just ignored the law, and brought generational shame to the US government. In a surprisingly close parallel it turns out that DJT can do the same thing, except this time even the Supreme Court doesn’t want him to follow the law. Strange times.
This is a commonly-told but not actually true version of events. Here’s what really happened between Jackson and the Cherokee case.
The background of the case is that the State of Georgia had enacted a law forbidding the settling of Cherokee territories by whites without a licence. A man by the name of Samuel Worcester, a missionary who helped establish the first Cherokee-language newspaper (the Cherokee Phoenix or ᏣᎳᎩ ᏧᎴᎯᏌᏅᎯ), protested against this law, saying that Georgia had no power to legislate what goes on in Cherokee territory, because the Cherokee Nation was sovereign over their own territory and not subject to the law of the State. The governor of Georgia ordered the arrest of Worcester and some other dissidents who refused to apply for a licence. He was brought before a Georgia court and stood trial, was convicted, and sentenced to four years’ hard labour. Some of his fellow defendants accepted pardons from the governor, but Worcester refused the pardon in order to preserve his right to appeal his conviction.
The case was brought before the US Supreme Court, which ruled in the case of Worcester v. Georgia that the Cherokee Nation had sovereignty which the State of Georgia could not abridge, and that the law banning whites from settling Cherokee land was void. President Jackson expressed disdain over this ruling, and contemporary news thought he was unlikely to help the Supreme Court if it asked him to enforce its ruling. However, the Court never asked Jackson to send federal marshals to enforce the decision, so there was nothing for him to “violate”.
Georgia state officials chose to ignore the ruling and refused to release Worcester from prison. His lawyers petitioned the new governor of Georgia to offer Worcester an unconditional pardon, but the governor refused, saying that the Supreme Court had overstepped its authority. Georgia officials decided to agitate for the federal government to impose a removal treaty against the Cherokees. Then, in an unrelated incident, South Carolina started a spat with the federal government by attempting to nullify a federal law that they didn’t like, which caused the Jackson administration to change its tune towards Worcester’s situation. His government dropped hints to the governor of Georgia that if Worcester (and another person similarly situated) were released, that the Jackson administration would arrange for a removal treaty to be imposed on the Cherokees. Worcester intended to continue pursuing his case before the federal courts but feared that doing so might provoke the government of Georgia to do something like attempt to secede or otherwise bring harm to the Cherokees. The governor and Worcester’s legal representatives haggled over the wording of Worcester’s petition for a pardon, and in the end, they were released the year after the Supreme Court’s decision. Worcester gave up his case before the federal courts.
At the same time as this was happening, gold was discovered on Cherokee lands and the State of Georgia infringed on the Cherokees’ sovereignty in other ways, including attempting to abolish the tribal government, trying to legislate away all of the Cherokees’ land rights, and raffling off plots of Cherokee territory to white settlers.
In 1835 (three years after this ruling), a group of Cherokees not authorised by the Cherokee National Council or by their Principal Chief negotiated the Treaty of New Echota, agreeing on behalf the entire tribe to vacate their traditional homelands in exchange for five and a half million dollars and a reservation in Indian Territory (present-day Oklahoma). Despite the vast majority of Cherokee people opposing this treaty, its signatories having lacked the authority from the Cherokee council to negotiate it, and against the wishes of the Cherokee Principal Chief, the US Senate gave force to the treaty and President van Buren ordered the US Army to remove all Cherokees to Indian Territory in 1838.
I really do appreciate your excellent summary of events, and it is interesting to frame it as Georgia ignoring the Supreme Courts ruling rather than Jackson, but I wonder to what extent Georgia ignored the Supreme Court ruling with Jackson’s blessing. You could argue that it is really Pam Bondi ignoring court orders, and not Trump, but, of course, Trump could tell Pam Bondi (or whoever) to stop ignoring court orders. In theory the executive branch’s role is to enforce the orders of the court, and, by making it clear to Georgia that he had no intention of enforcing court orders, this could have enabled the state government to continue on in illegal activities that, if the rule of law were followed, should not have happened.
You clearly know more about this than me, so I’m not trying to argue, but the failure of the rule of law is obviously always a collective failure, and many many people enable it, and it still seems fair to me to pin some of the blame on AJ, though obviously not as much as I was implying.
The 19th century was a time of letter-writing, not Signal group chats. For that reason, I think that if the governor of Georgia had explicitly asked Jackson for permission to defy the Supreme Court, we would probably have a copy of that letter or at least a mention of its existence in the correspondence or journals of these men or of their secretaries. I also don’t think Jackson was so brazen as to give a go-ahead to defy the Supreme Court. Such an action would have undoubted started a major incident if the press found out about it, and may have even caused the unravelling of the federal system, and Jackson was certainly no idiot and knew this.
With respect to the current situation, I think the current president and attorney-general are more or less just as willing to disobey the courts. Georgia officials in the Cherokee incident(s) only did so because they were politically accountable only to the white, landowning, citizens of Georgia, who were behind them every step of the way. In a similar vein, the voters seem to have delivered a message to Trump in 2024 that there is no political cost to authoritarianism and disrespect for the rule of law. Or, at least, that’s the message Trump thinks the voters sent him. In reality, such a cost does exist, and it’s why Trump lost in 2020. Though Allan Lichtman’s prediction of the 2024 presidential election outcome was definitely wrong, I still think that his overall message, that voters care more about whether the incumbent president is good or bad than whether their opponent is good or bad, makes a lot of sense to me. But I’m no expert in that.
I mean, you do realize people don’t have to write a letter that says “let’s break the law together.” People in the 19th century were capable of waltzing over to the hermitage, chatting in a backroom, and leaving with an “understanding”.
The Georgia officials took their actions with the accurate perception that the federal government would choose not to enforce federal law. And they were right, and AJ was the person who happened to not be enforcing the law. He doesn’t have to write down on a piece of paper that he didn’t enforce the law, we see that he didn’t.
No wonder Jackson is his favorite president. It all makes sense.
They don’t have to block shit. They can just ignore it.
Fall back on the sovcit playbook: claim that it’s outside their jurisdiction and stall for time until they come up with another excuse to protect toddler-tupper Trump.
This is literally what I expect them to do. They’ll claim governmental affairs nor homeland security have any reason to be involved in this case.
They’ll have their stooges argue this on Fox news as well and twist the knife saying “Democrats are wasting your money on a witch hunt instead of working to improve your lives!”
I mean, if it’s not blocked, who’s going to force them to release?
By doing whatever the fuck they want.
…and how much MAGAite shit will they have to swallow for trying?
Weird how they want it released now, but didn’t do shit about it under Biden…
Almost like it’s all theatrics for them.
The finance committee requested the files, got them, wrote up subpoenas based on those files and were blocked by republiQans.
All under Biden. Still ready to go, just get the GQP to do anything at all.
lol 14 status-quo democrats downvoted the truth
Too little was done out of fear Trump would capitalize on it.
And look how that turned out.
what are you talking about?
They’re saying that the Biden administration didn’t want to release the info and stir the pot. They were afraid that the
fascistsrepublicans would do something shitty in retaliation.Which of course, the GOP was always gonna do anyway, because they have always tried to get away with whatever they could. So now we get the fallout without the payoff of actually getting the files released
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Why would they release the files when it could put active investigations at risk? John Q Public doesn’t need to know who’s name is on the list if the justice department is doing it’s job properly. Now that it’s not we might as well know how trump prefers 14yo’s that look like his daughter.
It will never get released. The Democrats get to act like they want to release it while the Republicans are blocking it now. This is very bad theater.
I can imagine it like a scene in a sitcom. They are both yanking on the documents in a tug of war in front of an audience of citizens. Only for someone to slip and the documents fly into the air and rain down on the citizens by accident, fucking them both over.
We can only hope.
Agreed. What would make that sitcom even better is if it ended with a surprise guillotine
Dude, now do UAP.
(By the way, I’m basically quoting Chuck here. He said the same in a tweet earlier this year. Fucking ineffectual clown.)
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