How will this impact the people in the Epstein Files?
Donald J Trump
All Republicans
Half of DemocratsWow. I Didn’t Know That. You’re Telling Me Now for the First Time
That is a great question. Thanks for bringing it up.
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This
Applied retroactively and recursively, it would strip citizenship from effectively all Americans
That’s the point. They have a weapon that can be used against anyone, and it’s already shown they don’t care about due process. The courts gave him everything he needs.
I think this is a great point. If they dispute the immigration status of your great grandpappy, oh looks like you’re an illegal based on this purely unconstitutional “inherited status” doctrine.
Edit: The 14th amendment specifically mentions “born” in the US to prevent the use of the law to do things like this aimed at former slaves. Its no surprise that this kind of thing is being attempted by maga nazis.
It’s going to suck to have to carry in depth genealogical records everywhere
I mean, you could carry the 2nd to defend the 14th
That’s impractical and dangerous.
Right?
I’m wondering if there’s a way I can use this to get deported to the lands of my great great great great grandparents (Germany or the Netherlands or somewhere idk)
They wouldn’t take my stupid ass otherwise
Nah, they’ll send you to CECOT or fucking South Sudan in stead
No they’ll send you to CECOT or just make you stateless and dump you somewhere random with nothing
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Some of the headstones with German written on them.
Ironically, that might work against you.
Don’t worry they’re already floating the idea of slavery so illegals can work farms
My DNA is such a fucking mashup that I could theoretically go to almost any European country.
Take me back.
Well, do you have any marketable skills?
I’m an HVAC technician with 5 years of experience in commercial refrigeration.
You know someone that would sponsor an immigrant?
Me personally, no.
But honestly with how on fire the world currently is, a lot of places will be in need of air con soon that didn’t before, if your skills also transfer to heat pumps I think you can take your pick of where you’d like to go. Just start sending applications. Also if you have any European ancestors, check if that country doesn’t grant descended citizenship (like ireland, greece, italy etc).
I’m wondering about this also except my lawful parents have been here only about 30 years. I don’t know if their legal status when I was born is ‘legal enough’ for me to remain even when birthright was perfectly intact at the time. I’d probably have three options of countries to go to. But only if they will accept ‘stateless U.S. citizens’ is another matter because the Global North is gungho about anti-immigration and that includes asylum.
My dirt farmer ancestors got here in like 1890, too late to fight against the Yahnkeez, just in time to steal land from the Indians.
So I guess I’m either Scottish or stateless now. I’m not sure which is worse. (Just kidding, Scots)
@xylol Is one of those who brought it up.
One of the steps that will lead to mass corporate slavery.
“Former” Americans will be bought and sold, or “disposed of”, to pay off their “debt” for being allowed to stay on American soil.
I cannot fucking wait for a bunch of white bitches to be all “why my baby not American, I vote for you!”
FAFO
So, recursively and retroactively. So who is a citizen then? People who pay the $5m? People who are naturalized? Party loyalists? Does servitude guarantee citizenship? I would like to know more.
service hasn’t guaranteed citizenship since Trump scrapped the program in his first term
It’s not a nation anymore it is more a club. Do they have membership discounts? /s
The more of these boxes you can check, the “safer” you are….
White.
Wealthy.
Straight.
Male.
Christian.And well-connected and have rightthink. Those are more important than the others. You can check all your boxes, but too much wrongthink and you’ll be against the wall before you know what’s happening.
Party > Wealth > orientation > race/gender > religion (Just keep it quiet.)
Not even service guarantees citizenship as multiple veterans have been deported
I’m doing my part!
Does this include Marco Rubio, whose grandfather was an illegal immigrant?
Or Trump’s wife who he bought from Epstein?
Wouldn’t this mean that Trump’s father who’s parents were German and his mother who was born in Scotland weren’t citizens when he was born on American soil, hence he himself isn’t?
Of course they will never let it apply to themselves.
Fascist regimes delight in and depend on arbitrary enforcement of rules.
No it ain’t, experts have been telling us the whole time that no one is safe.
First they came for the Mexicans, I just cracked open a bud light…
Fucking fascists. We should still be accepting immigrants through Ellis Island (in my humble opinion)
No! Don’t be humble about that, that’s just simply how this country was founded… and I don’t mean the exploiters, I mean the countless immigrants who form the working class since then. That is more than something to take pride in.
I had a little “debate” where it was being argued the US was never a melting pot, and if it was ever, it isn’t anymore. How defeatist is that? To let the undeniable presence of so many cultures wither just as these ethnonationalists intend… You have to be bold, else you lose what you once had, or worse, never achieve anything greater.
To that end, USCIS declared flatly that the children of immigrants who are “unlawfully present” will “no longer be U.S. citizens at birth.” They will, instead, inherit the status of their parents, rendering them detainable and deportable as infants and throughout their lives. There is no indication that the government will provide some grace period before snatching up and imprisoning this new underclass of noncitizen babies; they are apparently subject to arrest from the moment of birth.
it’s not much of a stretch to assume they’ll do the same to people born here three generations down. or six. or twenty.
fucking pieces of garbage worthless nazis these admins and anyone who supports them are.
Yeah that’s smart, expel themselves
If you haven’t figured out that these rules were never meant to apply to them, then I’m not sure what to say.
20 generations would stretch back to Columbus
Cool story.
if we’re lucky they’ll follow their leader.
So. This is what will cause a revolution. Believe that.
Will anything cause a revolution?
From an outside-the-US perspective, it feels as though every incremental assault the USA’s constitution is met with a bit of tut-tutting and complaining about why elected members don’t fix things, then back to apathy 48 hours later.
If this goes through and birthright citizenship falls, so does the rest of the Constitution.
Isn’t birthright citizenship a human right or UN right or something?
The world is pretty divided in giving citizenship based on the person’s parents or on place of birth: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_sanguinis
No.
To render someone stateless is a HR violation (UDHR article 15), but there are plenty of countries that do not grant citizenship simply because a person is born within their borders (eg most of Europe).
But birthright citizenship is Good, imo.
It is pretty much the peak human rights, to not let a human become a refugee at birth.
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And you think trump cares?
I don’t. But it might be extremely difficult to approve.
All he needs is the Supreme Court to agree. My guess is that they won’t, but they are out of their fucking minds, so we really have no idea, it’s a giant coin flip. The majority of those judges are horribly corrupt and basically terrible human beings, but if they destroy the country badly enough, they know it will come back to burn them. The question is how much risk they’re willing to take.
The United States has granted birthright citizenship to virtually all children born on its soil since 1868.
No, not virtually all. Less than that. Most, yes.
What do you mean? Which children born on US soil since 1868 were not granted birthright citizenship?
Indian tribe members born in reservations.
A DuckDuckGo search says that since 1924 native Americans living on reservations also get birthright citizenship. I suppose there may be a handful of native Americans born before then who are still alive, but I doubt many.
Don’t worry, the Indians born on reservations before 1924 weren’t born after 1868.
The original statement didn’t specify that it only applied to people alive today.
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