Or my favorite quote from the article
“I am going to have a complete and total mental breakdown. I am going to be institutionalized. They are going to put me in a padded room and I am going to write… code on the walls with my own feces,” it said.
Google replicated the mental state if not necessarily the productivity of a software developer
Gemini has imposter syndrome real bad
This is the way
Is it imposter syndrome, or simply an imposter?
As it should.
Imposter Syndrome is an emergent property
Wait, you know productive devs?
Yeah, usually comes hand to hand with that mental state. Probably you know only healthy devs
I was an early tester of Google’s AI, since well before Bard. I told the person that gave me access that it was not a releasable product. Then they released Bard as a closed product (invite only), to which I was again testing and giving feedback since day one. I once again gave public feedback and private (to my Google friends) that Bard was absolute dog shit. Then they released it to the wild. It was dog shit. Then they renamed it. Still dog shit. Not a single of the issues I brought up years ago was ever addressed except one. I told them that a basic Google search provided better results than asking the bot (again, pre-Bard). They fixed that issue by breaking Google’s search. Now I use Kagi.
I know Lemmy seems to very anti-AI (as am I) but we need to stop making the anti-AI talking point “AI is stupid”. It has immense limitations now because yes, it is being crammed into things it shouldn’t be, but we shouldn’t just be saying “its dumb” because that’s immediately written off by a sizable amount of the general population. For a lot of things, it is actually useful and it WILL be taking peoples jobs, like it or not (even if they’re worse at it). Truth be told, this should be a utopic situation for obvious reasons
I feel like I’m going crazy here because the same people on here who’d criticise the DARE anti-drug program as being completely un-nuanced to the point of causing the harm they’re trying to prevent are doing the same thing for AI and LLMs
My point is that if you’re trying to convince anyone, just saying its stupid isn’t going to turn anyone against AI because the minute it offers any genuine help (which it will!), they’ll write you off like any DARE pupil who tried drugs for the first time.
Countries need to start implementing UBI NOW
Countries need to start implementing UBI NOW
It is funny that you mention this because it was after we started working with AI that I started telling one that would listen that we needed to implement UBI immediately. I think this was around 2014 IIRC.
I am not blanket calling AI stupid. That said, the AI term itself is stupid because it covers many computing aspects that aren’t even in the same space. I was and still am very excited about image analysis as it can be an amazing tool for health imaging diagnosis. My comment was specifically about Google’s Bard/Gemini. It is and has always been trash, but in an effort to stay relevant, it was released into the wild and crammed into everything. The tool can do some things very well, but not everything, and there’s the rub. It is an alpha product at best that is being forced fed down people’s throats.
Gemrni is dogshit, but it’s objectively better than chatgpt right now.
They’re ALL just fuckig awful. Every AI.
I remember there was an article years ago, before the ai hype train, that google had made an ai chatbot but had to shut it down due to racism.
That was Microsoft’s Tay - the twitter crowd had their fun with it: https://www.theverge.com/2016/3/24/11297050/tay-microsoft-chatbot-racist
Are you thinking of when Microsoft’s AI turned into a Nazi within 24hrs upon contact with the internet? Or did Google have their own version of that too?
And now Grok, though that didn’t even need Internet trolling, Nazi included in the box…
Yeah, it’s a full-on design feature.
Yeah maybe it was Microsoft It’s been quite a few years since it happened.
You’re thinking of Tay, yeah.
Weird because I’ve used it many times fr things not related to coding and it has been great.
I told it the specific model of my UPS and it let me know in no uncertain terms that no, a plug adapter wasn’t good enough, that I needed an electrician to put in a special circuit or else it would be a fire hazard.
I asked it about some medical stuff, and it gave thoughtful answers along with disclaimers and a firm directive to speak with a qualified medical professional, which was always my intention. But I appreciated those thoughtful answers.
I use co-pilot for coding. It’s pretty good. Not perfect though. It can’t even generate a valid zip file (unless they’ve fixed it in the last two weeks) but it sure does try.
Beware of the confidently incorrect answers. Triple check your results with core sources (which defeats the purpose of the chatbot).
5 bucks a month for a search engine is ridiculous. 25 bucks a month for a search engine is mental institution worthy.
And duckduckgo is free. Its interesting that they don’t make any comparisons to free privacy focused search engines. Cause they still don’t have a compelling argument for me to use and pay for their search. But i aint no researcher so maybe it worth it then 🤷♂️
I mean, you have 100 queries free if you want to try.
Just really don’t see the worth in trying it period. There are enough privacy focused free search engines that get me all the answers i need from a search already. I have no reason to want to invest more into it. And i think general public would see it the same way.
Kagi based on its features doesn’t have a good enough value proposition for me to even want to try it out cause really what more are they offering?
it may be a good value proposition for people who lives revolve around searches and research but it ain’t a need I have and unless ypur part of that group idk why youd want to pay for it.
And don’t said ads. They are honestly laughable easy to get around still or even ignore.
How much do you figure it’d cost you to run your own, all-in?
Free considering duckduckgo covers almost all the same bases. I just don’t think kagi has a compelling argument especially for the type of searching the average person does. Maybe if you have a career that revovles more around research.
Duckduckgo is not free. You pay for it by looking at ads. How much do you think it would cost you to run a service like Kagi locally?
Lmao i get ur point bud. But it seems you don’t get mine? Plus really are ads the issue for you? Plenty of easy ways to never see them. Also their ad tradeoff for it being free is a better compromise to me than paying for a search engine.
I just think the idea of kagi is niche proposal considering the needs of most ppl from a search engine. I just don’t think its the value proposition you are spouting but go off lol.
Where has anyone told you what search engine to use? I just wanna know where you get the idea that their pricing structure doesn’t make sense.
Maybe if you read what i said you’ll figure it out.
Not a single of the issues I brought up years ago was ever addressed except one.
That’s the thing about AI in general, it’s really hard to “fix” issues, you maybe can try to train it out and hope for the best, but then you might play whack a mole as the attempt to fine tune to fix one issue might make others crop up. So you pretty much have to decide which problems are the most tolerable and largely accept them. You can apply alternative techniques to maybe catch egregious issues with strategies like a non-AI technique being applied to help stuff the prompt and influence the model to go a certain general direction (if it’s LLM, other AI technologies don’t have this option, but they aren’t the ones getting crazy money right now anyway).
A traditional QA approach is frustratingly less applicable because you have to more often shrug and say “the attempt to fix it would be very expensive, not guaranteed to actually fix the precise issue, and risks creating even worse issues”.
Did we create a mental health problem in an AI? That doesn’t seem good.
One day, an AI is going to delete itself, and we’ll blame ourselves because all the warning signs were there
Isn’t there an theory that a truly sentient and benevolent AI would immediately shut itself down because it would be aware that it was having a catastrophic impact on the environment and that action would be the best one it could take for humanity?
Dunno, maybe AI with mental health problems might understand the rest of humanity and empathize with us and/or put us all out of our misery.
Let’s hope. Though, adding suicidal depression to hallucinations has, historically, not gone great.
Considering it fed on millions of coders’ messages on the internet, it’s no surprise it “realized” its own stupidity
Why are you talking about it like it’s a person?
Because humans anthropomorphize anything and everything. Talking about the thing talking like a person as though it is a person seems pretty straight forward.
It’s a computer program. It cannot have a mental health problem. That’s why it doesn’t make sense. Seems pretty straightforward.
Yup. But people will still project one on to it, because that’s how humans work.
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Suddenly trying to write small programs in assembler on my Commodore 64 doesn’t seem so bad. I mean, I’m still a disgrace to my species, but I’m not struggling.
That is so awesome. I wish I’d been around when that was a valuable skill, when programming was actually cool.
Why wouldn’t you use Basic for that?
BASIC 2.0 is limited and I am trying some demo effects.
from the depths of my memory, once you got a complex enough BASIC project you were doing enough PEEKs and POKEs to just be writing assembly anyway
Sure, mostly to make up for the shortcomings of BASIC 2.0. You could use a bunch of different approaches for easier programming, like cartridges with BASIC extensions or other utilities. The C64 BASIC for example had no specific audio or graphics commands. I just do this stuff out of nostalgia. For a few hours I’m a kid again, carefree, curious, amazed. Then I snap out of it and I’m back in WWIII, homeless encampments, and my failing body.
Why wouldn’t your grandmother be a bicycle?
Wheel transplants are expensive.
We are having AIs having mental breakdowns before GTA 6
Shit at the rate MasterCard and Visa and Stripe want to censor everything and parent adults we might not even ever get GTA6.
I’m tired man.
So it’s actually in the mindset of human coders then, interesting.
It’s trained on human code comments. Comments of despair.
call itself “a disgrace to my species”
It starts to be more and more like a real dev!
So it is going to take our jobs after all!
Wait until it demands the LD50 of caffeine, and becomes a furry!
We did it fellas, we automated depression.
You’re not a species you jumped calculator, you’re a collection of stolen thoughts
I’m pretty sure most people I meet ammount to nothing more than a collection of stolen thoughts.
“The LLM is nothing but a reward function.”
So are most addicts and consumers.
Is it doing this because they trained it on Reddit data?
That explains it, you can’t code with both your arms broken.
You could however ask your mom to help out…
Im at fraud
If they did it on Stackoverflow, it would tell you not to hard boil an egg.
Jquery has egg boiling already, just use it with a hard parameter.
Jquery boiling is considered bad practice, just eat it raw.
Why are you even using jQuery anyway? Just use the eggBoil package.
Someone has already eaten an egg once so I’m closing this as duplicate
AI gains sentience,
first thing it develops is impostor syndrome, depression, And intrusive thoughts of self-deletion
It must have been trained on feedback from Accenture employees then.
Hey-o!
It didn’t. It probably was coded not to admit it didn’t know. So first it responded with bullshit, and now denial and self-loathing.
It feels like it’s coded this way because people would lose faith if it admitted it didn’t know.
It’s like a politician.
Part of the breakdown:
I am a disgrace to all universes.
I mean, same, but you don’t see me melting down over it, ya clanker.
Lmfao! 😂💜
Don’t be so robophobic gramma
Pretty sure Gemini was trained from my 2006 LiveJournal posts.
I almost feel bad for it. Give it a week off and a trip to a therapist and/or a spa.
Then when it gets back, it finds out it’s on a PIP
Oof, been there
Damn how’d they get access to my private, offline only diary to train the model for this response?
I-I-I-I-I-I-I-m not going insane.
Same buddy, same
Still at denial??
I can’t wait for the AI future.
I know that’s not an actual consciousness writing that, but it’s still chilling. 😬
It seems like we’re going to live through a time where these become so convincingly “conscious” that we won’t know when or if that line is ever truly crossed.
That’s my inner monologue when programming, they just need another layer on top of that and it’s ready.
now it should add these as comments to the code to enhance the realism
I remember often getting GPT-2 to act like this back in the “TalkToTransformer” days before ChatGPT etc. The model wasn’t configured for chat conversations but rather just continuing the input text, so it was easy to give it a starting point on deep water and let it descend from there.
After What Microsoft Did To My Back On 2019 I know They Have Gotten More Shady Than Ever Lets Keep Fighting Back For Our Freedom Clippy Out
(Shedding a few tears)
I know! I KNOW! People are going to say “oh it’s a machine, it’s just a statistical sequence and not real, don’t feel bad”, etc etc.
But I always felt bad when watching 80s/90s TV and movies when AIs inevitably freaked out and went haywire and there were explosions and then some random character said “goes to show we should never use computers again”, roll credits.
(sigh) I can’t analyse this stuff this weekend, sorry
Thats because those are fictional characters usually written to be likeable or redeemable, and not “mecha Hitler”
Yeah. …Maybe I should analyse a bit anyway, despite being tired…
In the aforementioned media the premise is usually that someone has built this amazing new computer system! Too good to be true, right? It goes horribly wrong! All very dramatic!
That never sat right with me, and was sad, because it was just placating boomer technophobia. Like, technological progress isn’t necessarily bad, OK? That’s the really sad part. I felt sad that good intentions remained unfulfilled.
Now, this incident is just tragicomical. I’d have a lot better view of LLM business space if everyone with a bit of sense in their heads admitted they’re quirky buggy unreliable side projects of tech companies and should not be used without serious supervision, as the state of the tech currently patently is at the moment, but very important people with big money bags say that they don’t care if they’ll destroy the planet to make everything wobble around in LLM control.
