Does Microsoft do anything there? Just wondering if they have any editor or something or all are non related to Mojang/Microsoft.
Does anyone know how wiki.gg makes money? Wiki hosting side without stable income will just get bought out by bigger player or turn bad like fandom
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Wiki gg does have ads, but they’re pretty unobtrusive and are only videogame related.
Lol, they moved out from Reddit and now they moved out from Fandom.
But their solution could be as simple as make their own wiki.
That has worked well for valve. TF2 wiki is incredible
I’m surprised Microsoft hasn’t forced some Teams/SharePoint mandate on them
This isn’t about Mojang. This is about a wiki that is mostly maintained by fans but endorsed by Mojang as the official wiki. If MS tries to force some bullshit Teams or SP solution via Mojang and official branding, the fans will likely abandon it in favor of an unofficial one not hogtied to some BS MS ecosystem.
Knowing it would be bad for fans and abandoned never stopped MS from trying before
Maybe in the past, but these days they are pushing hard to get people to use their stuff and to keep using it. They’re not google who throw shit at the wall and see what sticks…
*used to be endorsed by Mojang. About a year ago Mojang said it’s no longer official. Presumably because of Fandom. See https://minecraft.fandom.com/wiki/Minecraft_Wiki:Community_portal/Microsoft_status_update
It is interesting that there is a wiki of the game in Spanish, probably not official though(it says official… but who really knows).
Imagine if we already had all the tools needed, and all that’s missing is a bit of hosting and a bit of moderation. If only there was a company with some extra cash behind this… haha.
But it’s seriously time people retake some kind of control over their online activity. All these “services” looking at every occasion to screw their user is getting annoying.
Yeah I think people need to separate “popular” from “profitable” in their minds because while I do spend a lot of time on the internet, most of it isn’t for anything I’d be willing to pay for, and if it’s just an excuse to show me ads, I’m not interested.
We see the shit you’re doing, we don’t like it, and while it might boost some numbers in the short term, it also primes users for the next alternative that won’t just be embraced because it’s new and shiny, but specifically because it’s not the site that used to be great but thought they could abuse their users’ time and attention for greater profits.
Like at this point, Reddit could do a full 180 and allow 3rd party apps to return, improve their own UX through their site and official apps, and give up on the IPO entirely, but I still won’t be likely to return because all of that just sounds too good to be true and I like it better here than Reddit has been for years.
I don’t really want to be someone’s product anymore. And if that breaks the whole Internet’s business model, then so be it.
You can use MediaWiki, the official Wikipedia software (it’s open source)…
Yes, that’s the… joke? Idea?
The only requirement is hosting hardware and visibility. I’m pretty sure that if MS/Mojang hosted an “official” fan-controlled wiki, they’d just have to announce it and the content would be complete in days.
I would love to see a federated wiki platform form somehow, as centralization has honestly been pretty terrible for both wikipedia and wikia/fandom.
Wikipedia?
Yeah… A lot of it is just reddit-like powermod activities and the insane bureaucracy and rule lawyering there if you go to any remotely controversial talk page. You would not trust info on Wikipedia if you saw how the sausage is made on the talk pages.
Look up this guy called Ryulong for example.
I tried looking him up but all the info seems very confusing, do you have a tl;dr (or a link to somewhere that explains it in a decent way)?
Essentially, he was a wikipedia admin who first got noticed during the GamerGate nonsense of essentially abusing his power to protect “his” pet pages, preventing other people from editing in the English translation of the Japanese show as oppose to the Romanji transliteration, and he got involved with the drama by obsessively editing Wikipedia to smear anyone on either side that angered him, until even Jimmy Wales noticed and told him to stop, he refused, then Wikipedia arbitration had to step in to permaban him, then he went to RationalWiki who initially welcomed him, until his obsessive page guarding tendency got him banned from there too.
Yes, this is every bit as dumb as it sounds, and it’s quite eye opening to see just how dysfunctional Wikipedia really is.
I see, thanks.
But then again, in the end it is functional, isn’t it? Guy started messing around and got shown the door, would’ve been far worse if he was still there. Assholes are everywhere, the fact that they get what they deserve is a plus to me.
“Functional” would not be the right word to use, because I skipped hundreds of pages of rule lawyering on talk pages, and even after Ryulong was kicked off he still told his friend on the admin team to keep preventing his pet pages from edited.
Wikipedia’s rules are so arcane and self-contradictory that the power users can rule lawyer their way into justifying nearly everything, whereas normal people just don’t want to deal with these things.
Federated wiki does not sound like a good idea, as in, all articles coming from different servers. But we don’t have to go that far; hosting a wiki is quite straightforward. If you’re already paying for hosting, you might as well just use the tools readily available. But for “fan” wiki, you’d require a strong enough core to handle that part while other contributes.
I think it would work like how it does here, where you can access/edit all the pages on independent wikis hosted on different servers with one account identity. Federation is about getting both the advantages of centralized services and independent operations (sometimes disadvantages too), and I think outside of forums, fan wikis are probably the best sites for a federation structure. After all, wikia/fandom already kinda operates like this.
I thought all your comments were related to the Barbie movie
Oh come on, I am capable of way more than just being a marketing genius on Lemmy, and running one dumb repetitive joke into the ground like a shitty reddit novelty account isn’t very funny, unlike my new movie, “Barbie”, only in theaters July 21st.
(But seriously though, comedy is about timing more than anything else.)
Path of Exile did the same thing, going from fandom to https://poewiki.net. And thank god they did, fuck fandom
Is poewiki just the MediaWiki software (IIRC, the name of the software that runs the official Wikipedia) hosted on their own server? For official wikis it can be feasible, for user-made ones it would surely be more difficult than just using Wikia / fandom / etc…
Yup, it is.
And yeah, it is more difficult than just using wikia/fandom/etc, but it also provides such a better experience. Not all game communities will go to that length, but PoE players are a different breed ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I’m hoping fallout does as well. Ever since the two fallout wiki merged, I feel like the experience of looking for info on the wiki has been hobbled by fandom.
Satisfactory recently left fandom as well.
Fandom has always been massive garbage, thank goodness
Runescape’s fandom wiki has long been abandoned, and the SEO makes it horrible to constantly have to scroll passed it when looking for the official wiki results. I would vote that they get a time machine and never use Fandom in the first place. Barring that, I’m torn between my sticking with Fandom until it gets worse, and just cauterizing the wound and switching to wiki.gg now. wiki.gg has by far the least-intrusive ads (which I only really see on my phone when I somehow get shunted into Chrome).
Just whatever you do, do not use Google docs to share information that belongs to a wiki. That’s is by far the most annoying option and 100 times worse than just having to deal with a fandom wiki.
I agree, it’ll also make a mess out of your “shared tab” on your drive. Me opening a document from som random doesn’t mean that I want it to bury the documents that has been actively shared with me, from my wife for instance.
Since when does bulbapedia have usability issues?
UESP is one of the best parts of Elder Scrolls games; forever may it reign
Good, Fandom’s wiki’s are garbage.
Exactly this.
When a company can’t expand its market share anymore they will make the product cheaper, worse and more expensive.
For tech this means filling the product with bloat, upping the prices for consumers, and lowering their payouts to creators (subcontractors).
What’s wrong with Spotify?
Did I miss the reference to Spotify?
The image shows spotify
Is there such a thing as a Fedewiki? We can call it Craig.
Craig’s Wiki?
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!spoiler Craig Fedewiki , like the software guy with the great hair
I don’t know that I really want it called Craig
Fandom has been a pretty terrible experience for awhile now. I hope they find a better home.
They should move to Neocities
An ActivityPub wiki would be nice
Don’t think it’s really necessary. The different wikis don’t really need to talk to each other. But an open source Gamepedia-like wiki software would be great. Maybe it exists already.
Wiki.gg is very good though.
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That’s a separate issue from federation altogether. Federation might have some benefits, but I don’t see “crowding out Fandom with SEO” as one of them.
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I hadn’t considered that previously, but I think that is a great idea!
Idk if that makes any sense tbh. I guess it could work though. I don’t really see the application.
Ability to contribute to all wikis and to federate content from the wikis across one another without having them all owned by one company like fandom.com
Why would you contribute to multiple wikis, there should only be one, and I don’t know how or why you’d federate content when you can just simply link a url. Having people host wikis on their own servers already accomplish that. The fedi makes no sense here, nor does it make sense to have forks of wikis.
? Literally the same reasons for multiple lemmy servers?
There would be a star trek wiki and a star wars wiki run on different servers by respective fan bases but people who mainly use one wiki could still contribute to the other. Having the content federate instead of just linking to a url would help prevent the data being gone if a server goes down.
Federation for wikis doesn’t make sense, IMO. For wikis that are intended to serve as authoritative resources, you actually want to require editors to be local accounts because if they’re remote, you can never end trolling / vandalism edits. Also, local accounts give more accountability for editorial control since, among other things, editing locally means editing the toolset (eg.: parser modifications, buttons, smileys, custom emojis, whatever) of the local instance.
How would you federate content though? A Star Trek article in a Star Wars wiki makes no sense
how is this so confusing? it would be exactly like lemmy but wikis instead of threads. startrek.wiki would focus on startrek info but still have overall wiki stuff. just like db0zero lemmy focuses on piracy but still has other communities and content from other lemmy servers
It’s not confusing, there’s just nothing to gain from it. Federation makes sense for communication like e-mail and social media like Mastodon or Lemmy, where you have a “home” and want to be able to interact with others regardless of their server. But with wikis, it over-complicates things with little gain. Right now, people browse wikis on different websites. You don’t have a “home,” and that works just fine.
What makes a good wiki sustainable is if its articles are under a libre license, and if its database can be downloaded.
since federation is the new hammer, there are going to be people who think everything is a new nail. just like what happened with blockchain
Let’s put the edit history on the blockchain!
Probably the most apt analogy I’ve heard.
Not that directly, but you can still have a “communities” tab with other Wikis. With the same kind of framework, it would be easy to share the same code and look, but still have it set up as one big mega site like Fandom is.
Or just one instance host a bunch of different Wikis, based on subject, and they agree to federate. There could even be a discussion tab for each page that allows any instance to post.
