Linke (The Left) party expelled with immediate effect Palestinian-German member and activist Ramsis Kilani for his vocal opposition to “Israel’s” ongoing genocide in Gaza. In doing so, it followed in the footsteps of the only other mainstream leftist party in the country, the Greens, in exhibiting the infamous Palestine exception to progressive politics.

Kilani, a self-described Marxist, called his expulsion “a sad commentary on a leftist, internationalist party”, left-wing daily junge Welt (jw) reported. The decision made by the Landesschiedskommission, the party’s state-level arbitration body was damaging “to all of us who fight for universal human rights”, the activist wrote on Instagram.

Katina Schubert, one of two members from the party’s right-wing who had brought forward the motion to expel Kilani denied that his Palestine solidarity activism had anything to do with the decision, saying that it was based on his “relativisation of Hamas terror, selective criticism of violence against women as a weapon of war and denial of “Israel’s” right to exist”, the jw report went on to say.

  • SomeLemmyUser
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    The wording and headline seems a bit populistic to me. While it is true that the discourse on Israel Palestine in Germany is hella skewed, the person in discussion was expelled for denying the right of existence for an Israeli state and siding with the Hama’s.

    While you could debate if this is the right thing to do for a left party or not, proclaiming this means “genocide is no longer a red line for them” is plainly not what they said and brings up the question if the author thinks condemning hamas and being fine with genocide is the same thing, and if yes, what this tells us about his political standing.

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        No, thats why i stand with all palestinians for peace. but there is something wrong with uncritically siding with religious fundamentalists with world domination fantasys, as they will not bring peace but only reign of terror of another coleur.

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            Nah, you say I should uncritically support hamas.

            I think the right wing extremists in Israel should be discarded better yesterday then today.

            I just dont think Israel’s horrific crimes makes the religious fanatics of the hamas any better.

            • @[email protected]
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              77 months ago

              Nah, you say I should uncritically support hamas.

              No I fucking don’t, you lying piece of shit.

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                Haha you accuse everyone of supporting genocide who critically comments on them and attack them verbally.

                Shaming the ones who critique them results to the same thing as plainly saying one should support them.

                Also I did not verbal abuse you when you falsely accused me of supporting genocide, why you do this when I call you a hamas supporter? Maybe because your double standart arguments are to weak on their own?

                This conversation is over

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        Hilarious, you give a prime example of false dilemmas.

        It not “either you support the religious hardliners on one side or you support the religious hardliners on the other”

        You making it seem like that only helps the ones in favour of this horrific occupation

        You can be against the horrific warcrimes while still keeping a sceptical view of extremist fundamental religious believes on both sides.

        Reality is not black and white, its grey. There are progressive forces on both sides. those must be supported, not the religious extremists.

              • SomeLemmyUser
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                There were communists in Nazi Germany fighting Tue Nazis so yes, there where progressive forces in Germany but not in the Nazi party.

                There are progressive forces in Israel and Palestine, but not withing nethanyaus party or the hamas

                • FunkyStuff [he/him]
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                  87 months ago

                  How is it not progressive when a Hamas fighter blows up an IDF tank? Is there something qualitatively different about the way Hamas fights the occupiers and some other, more progressive group, would be fighting the IDF? And if the difference is not in how they fight but how they govern, why should it matter at all how they govern when Gaza has been completely disintegrated and there is no operating governmental structure anyway so even if Hamas were cartoonish Islamist terrorists like ISIS they wouldn’t even have the ability to control anyone. If there’s a Palestinian organization that’s worth criticizing because they’re misusing their power, it’s not Hamas, it’s Fatah.

        • @[email protected]OPM
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          Okay lets change it up.

          Do you support the existence of Nazi Germany

          Do you support the existence of Apartheid South Africa

          Do you support the existence of Israel

          These mean the same to any person who understand what genocide means.

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            I don’t support the Nazis but as a German I am happy that america, france and USSR supported A Democratic German state (but not a fascist one), so that I don’t have to live under occupation and oppression.

            You act like its not possible to differentiate between different opinions within a nation state.

            Same goes for south Africa and Israel. I don’t support their facist leaders/political majorities because they are facist but I support the general idea of the people living there having a democratically controlled system and not being occupied.

            Its not the race or DNA that makes you fascist lul, the fascists are the problem, not the people in general.

            An

            • FunkyStuff [he/him]
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              97 months ago

              (but not a fascist one)

              I have some bad news about the party that great numbers of early West German government figures belonged to

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              Okay so why do you support the existence of a fascist ethnostate if you pretend to support democracy.

              Everything you described to be wrong has a name and it is called Israel.

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      Prick-assed ghoul if you’re gonna argue for “the right for Israel to exist” then genocide isn’t a red line for you either

      I’d like to wish all Israeli “advocates for existence” a very merry go get your headtop shoved back by a sovereign Palestinian. You want to carry genocider water, go do it IRL so I can watch you get turned into a salsa bowl in a resistance upload.