With the Democratic Party struggling to find a new direction, former President Joe Biden and former first lady Jill Biden have offered to jump in and help with fundraising and rebuilding.
I knew you people would disagree but I don’t care.
Inherently, leftists support protections for minorities. It’s part of being decent.
The problem is the conservative propaganda noise machine has amplified the anti-immigrant, woke and LGBT stuff as a distraction from the fact that billionaires are hoarding and stealing your wealth. And they’re gaining power to keep it this way.
The immigrant and LGBT stuff just angers bigots, gets them energized to vote against their own interests. Republicans are winning, bigly, not sure you’ve noticed.
It’s working because of people like you who can’t navigate this very successful propaganda.
The immigrant and LGBT stuff just angers bigots, gets them energized to vote against their own interests. Republicans are winning, bigly, not sure you’ve noticed.
Seems to me you are proposing that we cater to the bigots.
It’s working because of people like you who can’t navigate this very successful propaganda.
Yeah that’s a lot of words to tell me my empathy for people not like me is a problem.
Seems to me you are proposing that we cater to the bigots.
Nope. I’m saying the LGBT stuff doesn’t matter nearly as much as you think it does. It’s amplified as a propaganda tactic to get bigots votes. They get power, which results in bigoted policies to keep power.
Your empathy is irrelevant if you have no power, which you don’t. Do you not recognize that it’s getting worse for the LGBT community? Potentially way fucking worse.
Your way isn’t working, because you don’t understand that it’s not actually your way, it’s the wealthy in power that have you hyperfocused on anything other than them hoarding wealth and consolidating power, and destroying what rights and freedom we have left.
It matters far more than you are giving it credit. Throwing one group under the bus is immoral and we should oppose it because of that, but it is also just stupid tactically. Our strength is solidarity. Everyone for everyone and against the oligarchs who are destroying this world.
It matters far more than you are giving it credit.
Throwing one group under the bus
It does not, and I’m absolutely not throwing them under the bus.
I’ve already said, inherently and foundationally, leftists support protections for minorities of all types, period. It should be really easy. It doesn’t matter in the sense that it’s simple, bigots who discriminate against any minority should be an extreme outlier. The problem we have is a long term lack of education and cultural indoctrination that supports bigotry. Because of this there’s way more ignorance and bigotry than there should be. The cure for this really is widespread education. We can’t educate if we have no power.
We can’t fix it without power. The true moral thing to do is logically understand how to get power. Keeping immigrant and LGBT issues at the top, is just getting the right to win. Hell, even immigrants went more for trump this election.
everyone and against the oligarchs who are destroying this world
This is the most important thing, but in a way that actually works. The oligarchs are winning and getting more of the masses on their side, because they’re using the immigrant and LGBT issue stuff to rally they’re supporters to get votes and keep power. Conservatives are winning all over the world, and they all use these tactics.
“We’ll win by converting Republicans… but as leftists.”
Stop chasing that stupid fucking dream of a left coalition that’s just gruff manly workers without all those whiners talking about things that don’t affect you and might even have made you feel bad once upon a time. Solidarity isn’t a quiet nod and a “trust us”, it’s showing up for your fellows and having their back even when you’re not in the firing line.
“We’re not going to talk about your issues, but you should believe we’ll fight for them once we have power” is literally why the Democrats just lost. But like the anti-woke centrists you’re still going to pretend wokeness, which was approximately 0% of the Democratic campaign, was the problem. That’s why you can’t be trusted to say you’ll get to it as soon as the politics that caters only to your interests gains power.
“We’ll win by converting Republicans… but as leftists.”
Yep.
Kamala tried that, but as a centrist - all that talk about her glock, all that lack of talk about climate change or palestine (or LGBTQ issues), all that time being chummy with Cheneys.
I knew you people would disagree but I don’t care.
Inherently, leftists support protections for minorities. It’s part of being decent.
The problem is the conservative propaganda noise machine has amplified the anti-immigrant, woke and LGBT stuff as a distraction from the fact that billionaires are hoarding and stealing your wealth. And they’re gaining power to keep it this way.
The immigrant and LGBT stuff just angers bigots, gets them energized to vote against their own interests. Republicans are winning, bigly, not sure you’ve noticed.
It’s working because of people like you who can’t navigate this very successful propaganda.
Seems to me you are proposing that we cater to the bigots.
Yeah that’s a lot of words to tell me my empathy for people not like me is a problem.
Nope. I’m saying the LGBT stuff doesn’t matter nearly as much as you think it does. It’s amplified as a propaganda tactic to get bigots votes. They get power, which results in bigoted policies to keep power.
Your empathy is irrelevant if you have no power, which you don’t. Do you not recognize that it’s getting worse for the LGBT community? Potentially way fucking worse.
Your way isn’t working, because you don’t understand that it’s not actually your way, it’s the wealthy in power that have you hyperfocused on anything other than them hoarding wealth and consolidating power, and destroying what rights and freedom we have left.
It matters far more than you are giving it credit. Throwing one group under the bus is immoral and we should oppose it because of that, but it is also just stupid tactically. Our strength is solidarity. Everyone for everyone and against the oligarchs who are destroying this world.
It does not, and I’m absolutely not throwing them under the bus.
I’ve already said, inherently and foundationally, leftists support protections for minorities of all types, period. It should be really easy. It doesn’t matter in the sense that it’s simple, bigots who discriminate against any minority should be an extreme outlier. The problem we have is a long term lack of education and cultural indoctrination that supports bigotry. Because of this there’s way more ignorance and bigotry than there should be. The cure for this really is widespread education. We can’t educate if we have no power.
We can’t fix it without power. The true moral thing to do is logically understand how to get power. Keeping immigrant and LGBT issues at the top, is just getting the right to win. Hell, even immigrants went more for trump this election.
This is the most important thing, but in a way that actually works. The oligarchs are winning and getting more of the masses on their side, because they’re using the immigrant and LGBT issue stuff to rally they’re supporters to get votes and keep power. Conservatives are winning all over the world, and they all use these tactics.
“The end justifies the means. But what if there never is an end? All we have is means.” - Le Guin
There’s a poem about this very attitude.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_They_Came
And you know what? You can plainly see it happening.
All during the election it was LGBTQ. But that’s kinda back seat (for now) -
Then it was undocumented immigrants that were criminals.
It took no time at all before we heard about non-criminal undocumented immigrants being swept up. And then Native Americans.
Now it’s clearly people who have made honest mistakes.
And Trump now says he wants to send protesters to El Salvador too.
He’s going to come for the queer folks.
He’s going to come for you if you aren’t a cis white male or tradwife to one. It’s just a matter of time.
We stand together or not at all.
Yowza. That doesn’t apply to my comments at all.
Then you aren’t expressing yourself very well.
“We’ll win by converting Republicans… but as leftists.”
Stop chasing that stupid fucking dream of a left coalition that’s just gruff manly workers without all those whiners talking about things that don’t affect you and might even have made you feel bad once upon a time. Solidarity isn’t a quiet nod and a “trust us”, it’s showing up for your fellows and having their back even when you’re not in the firing line.
“We’re not going to talk about your issues, but you should believe we’ll fight for them once we have power” is literally why the Democrats just lost. But like the anti-woke centrists you’re still going to pretend wokeness, which was approximately 0% of the Democratic campaign, was the problem. That’s why you can’t be trusted to say you’ll get to it as soon as the politics that caters only to your interests gains power.
Yep.
Kamala tried that, but as a centrist - all that talk about her glock, all that lack of talk about climate change or palestine (or LGBTQ issues), all that time being chummy with Cheneys.