Linux programs either HAVE to be quick while receiving shutdown signal, otherwise the state will be fucked, work will be lost, and people will be mad, and program will stop being used.
Clicking the Windows button to force shutdown will straight up kill the program and won’t care at all.
I can’t speak for them if they’re joking or not but it’s something you can absolutely do. *.bat files (short for “batch”, as in a batch of commands to execute in sequence) are the script files for the Windows command line, and can be executed by double clicking on them
Thanks, I’m familiar with batch files. This just seems like a very bad way to perform a shutdown, especially when running a UI Desktop windowing system. And even if that shutdown command is fully supported from the GUI, I would guess you need to be admin to run it, which means you can run the bat file as admin, so if you can edit the file or modify the env in which it runs (e.g. PATH) it seems like it could be a security problem. And if you don’t need to be root to run the shutdown command, that seems like its own problem. I suppose Windows still has the “run as administrator” from the context menu so maybe that helps.
As it is a simple command you don’t need to be an admin or run as administrator. Listen kids don’t run batch files if you don’t know where they came from or who made them.
You did say “I don’t use Windows” which sounded like you were saying you didn’t know if what they were saying was technically plausible or reasonable, and without knowing what you do or don’t know about Windows or DOS, figured I’d respond with the presumption that it’s possible you’re only really familiar with *NIX systems (which is not a judgement).
I find it kludgey and unnecessary to shut down that way, but it’s not exactly a bad idea, and it does not require admin rights.
And there’s no reason it wouldn’t be supported: when you run the file, it opens it in a terminal window, it’s exactly like if you manually opened it and typed it from a technical point of view.
And if someone malicious has the ability to edit a file on your desktop, they could do a lot more dangerous things, pretty much anything you could put in the batch file, more or less directly.
Really, the only issue here is that you’d always be force closing your programs when you shut down which increases the odds that eventually they might corrupt one of their files… Not a huge risk, but non-zero.
Not really. If -f (force) is removed windows will shutdown similar to pressing the shutdown button and will wait for your input regarding open programs. -f is needed to just just “do it” with no hesitation or response from the user.
/t <xxx> Sets the time-out period before shutdown to xxx seconds. The valid range is 0-315360000 (10 years), with a default of 30. If the timeout period is greater than 0, the /f parameter is implied.
Theres a button on the back of the psu that comes in handy a LOT with windows. Useless on linux unless you want to use that button for its intended purpose.
Oh, p-lease, can force it my ass, Linux has never failed to shutdown on me when using plain obvious GUI method. windows - can easily hang on forever as long as computer stays powered. The point of all the memes is exactly insane windows defaults, not the things that can or can’t be done by someone with enough knowledge
It was simpler using Linux to just kill things unceremoniously, but my coworkers are also consistently amazed when Epic throws a temper tantrum (rare, but it happens) and I walk over and ctrl-alt-delete and tell it to sit down and shut the fuck up until it’s ready to reboot and act right.
Absolutely, if people agree or not, the core windows is still a pretty powerful operating system. Its sad that they are ruining it by adding crap into it.
Linux normally does a nice shutdown as well, unless you force it.
You can force it on windows if you really want.
I’m so tired of linux memes posted/made by people who don’t know much about windows or linux.
Linux programs either HAVE to be quick while receiving shutdown signal, otherwise the state will be fucked, work will be lost, and people will be mad, and program will stop being used.
Clicking the Windows button to force shutdown will straight up kill the program and won’t care at all.
Please elaborate
Back in the day if I wanted to quit Windows the fastest way, I’d rename the c:/windows folder…
Back to the DOS prompt faster than you could blink
Shutdown.exe -r -t 00 -f
Fast , no mucking around with graceful exiting of stuff. Kicks it in the teefs
Also
taskkill /im foo.exe /fI use that as a bat file so all I have to do is double click it.
and then you can growl menacingly and say ‘don’t make me get the bat, punk’
I don’t use windows.
Not sure if this is a joke or serious.
I can’t speak for them if they’re joking or not but it’s something you can absolutely do. *.bat files (short for “batch”, as in a batch of commands to execute in sequence) are the script files for the Windows command line, and can be executed by double clicking on them
Thanks, I’m familiar with batch files. This just seems like a very bad way to perform a shutdown, especially when running a UI Desktop windowing system. And even if that shutdown command is fully supported from the GUI, I would guess you need to be admin to run it, which means you can run the bat file as admin, so if you can edit the file or modify the env in which it runs (e.g. PATH) it seems like it could be a security problem. And if you don’t need to be root to run the shutdown command, that seems like its own problem. I suppose Windows still has the “run as administrator” from the context menu so maybe that helps.
As it is a simple command you don’t need to be an admin or run as administrator. Listen kids don’t run batch files if you don’t know where they came from or who made them.
You did say “I don’t use Windows” which sounded like you were saying you didn’t know if what they were saying was technically plausible or reasonable, and without knowing what you do or don’t know about Windows or DOS, figured I’d respond with the presumption that it’s possible you’re only really familiar with *NIX systems (which is not a judgement).
I find it kludgey and unnecessary to shut down that way, but it’s not exactly a bad idea, and it does not require admin rights.
And there’s no reason it wouldn’t be supported: when you run the file, it opens it in a terminal window, it’s exactly like if you manually opened it and typed it from a technical point of view.
And if someone malicious has the ability to edit a file on your desktop, they could do a lot more dangerous things, pretty much anything you could put in the batch file, more or less directly.
Really, the only issue here is that you’d always be force closing your programs when you shut down which increases the odds that eventually they might corrupt one of their files… Not a huge risk, but non-zero.
I will just do the update first /s
Some clarification of the command
-r #restart
-s #shutdown
-t 00 #wait 0 seconds
-f #forced
If -t is specified -f is assumed and redundant, but also it will try to do graceful l, but with a patience of a cranky toddler
Not really. If -f (force) is removed windows will shutdown similar to pressing the shutdown button and will wait for your input regarding open programs. -f is needed to just just “do it” with no hesitation or response from the user.
Straight from the doc
/t <xxx> Sets the time-out period before shutdown to xxx seconds. The valid range is 0-315360000 (10 years), with a default of 30. If the timeout period is greater than 0, the /f parameter is implied.
Sooo when you use the prompt
You would need the -f since we defined the timeout period as 0. Because:
Yeah fair enough -f -s does the same thing as -t 0?
I don’t trust windows enough, I always input both parameters
Ah nice. I have only used it with -t 0. I’m glad to have learn something today.
00?
How many seconds you’re prepared to wait for Windows to shutdown.
Yeah, but why 00 and not 00000? Or 0.000?
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Probably just habit on their part, it’s no different than just putting 0
Because that’s how they do it for Gundams
I know! I wasn’t sure when I posted it, so stuck to memory to be safe.
I reckon I’ve confused the double digits needed for the silly shutdown explanation thing (planned/unplanned, various reasons) instead…
lol, I honestly just thought the elite hackers used double zeros and I was just a lazy dummy. Maybe I’m the elite hacker then.
I’ve used a single zero and that works fine too.
Me to
The process manager lets you kill any process.
You can also click the do it anyway button when it’s waiting on shutdown, but I’ve had less consistent success with that.
Theres a button on the back of the psu that comes in handy a LOT with windows. Useless on linux unless you want to use that button for its intended purpose.
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Oh, p-lease, can force it my ass, Linux has never failed to shutdown on me when using plain obvious GUI method. windows - can easily hang on forever as long as computer stays powered. The point of all the memes is exactly insane windows defaults, not the things that can or can’t be done by someone with enough knowledge
It was simpler using Linux to just kill things unceremoniously, but my coworkers are also consistently amazed when Epic throws a temper tantrum (rare, but it happens) and I walk over and ctrl-alt-delete and tell it to sit down and shut the fuck up until it’s ready to reboot and act right.
Epic?
I’m assuming Epic as in the healthcare charting system
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Why not Ctrl+Shift+Esc?
Idek what that is I learned ctrl-alt-del 20 years ago and haven’t needed to learn anything else since.
So prior to Win 7 or so, Ctrl+Alt+Del brought up the task manager. Now it brings up a lock screen from which you can select additional options.
Ctrl+Shift+Esc pulls up the task manager, like it did back when you learned it.
Absolutely, if people agree or not, the core windows is still a pretty powerful operating system. Its sad that they are ruining it by adding crap into it.
I’m waiting for pure GNU/NT. It sure as hell ain’t Unix!