Lmao i didn’t even get past “kills everything she touches” without my adhd brain flying away and imagining how sad and lonely she must be and how on order to have human touch, she’d have to find somebody either incapable of dying or who can realive themselves. Like a living-dead girl. Also I assumed she was gay for some reason.
He’s one of Marvel’s biggest mary sues and overrated as fuck. I remember seeing somewhere, I think at Cracked, that on a Wolverine vs. Punisher comic, mr macho man finds out that Frank Castle has plenty of naked muscle men magazines, “It’s research!”
Wolvie’s reaction was a silent smirk that spoke “HAHA LOL UR GAY”
I mean that was a pretty standard response at the time, so maybe Wolverine is just echoing the attitudes of the time?
I do wonder this about immortals, do they live long enough for the white cells in their brain to solidify into pure inflexible dark grey matter, or are they in a constant state of flux that their attitudes change on a whim depending on their surroundings (essentially, forever mentally children)
At least in wolverines case, he isn’t truly, fully, immortal. His healing factor eventually slows to the point he gets old and dies. In the case if true immortality like Mr. Immortal, it is most likely part of the power that gives them immortality to also keep the body roughly the same, i.e in working order. Mentally they all probably go insane after a few hundred or thousand years, but the comics do not cover such large periods or accurately reflect the mental state.
To my knowledge, interfering with the healing factor only works while actively interfering it, and if you stop at any point Logan is able to come back essentially post mortem. In some books it is so powerful that he essentially stopped aging when he acquired the healing factor secondary mutation. In the movies, he still ages but much slower, and eventually his body begins to reject the adamantium in his skeleton and his healing factor cannot heal fast enough, leading to his (kinda) death.
Wolverine? He can die, can’t he? He’s just really really hard to kill, to my knowledge, and just regenerates really really fast. But if she touches somebody and they instantly die… That won’t make much difference. Unless he’s ACTUALLY immortal, rather than just effectively/virtually immortal and just really really hard to kill.
There’s a comic in which he gets annihilated and regenerates from a single surviving cell. Or from the ashes, or something. In any car, I remember it implying that his power exists beyond his physical body, because when he regenerates he isn’t a mental infant - he still had his memories, even though his brain was destroyed.
However.
In the super-hero genre there’s a tenancy to one-upmanship. Later artists amplify the powers of the character more and more until they are like unto gods. Superman may be the best example of this; in one series he goes and hangs out at the center of the sun for a few centuries and comes out omnipotent. If you go back to his roots in the mid-century, he was a super man, but not a god. Wolverine kept getting more and more powerful as the decades went on, until that arc where he regenerates from a single cell. I don’t think the original creator imagined him being that indestructible.
Depends on the author and how “important” he is to the story. In the original civil war comic arc, a Nitro dude exploded him down to the shiny bones. Wolvie came back from that in 5 minutes. On the days of future past comic arc in the 80s, oldverine dies from a sentinel blast that also leaves him as just metal bones.
Ridiculous with it in the 2000s. In the old days it was he just heals faster than most and take a beating but he can still die. I remember one where he was sneaking onto a ship or something and was starving so he cannibalize his own arm which didn’t make sense. Also another one had a story about how he was in a concentration camp in WW2 and kept get incinerated and coming back. Just tons of dumb shit like that that made the character less interesting.
Her touch isn’t instant death, but it’s fast enough that it makes no difference to most people. His regeneration can keep up, but barely. And at the end of the first movie, he does touch her.
Except her power is to take other people’s powers. Theirs stops working shortly after contact is made. His regeneration might help for a few seconds… Until it stops working because she stole it.
It has been a while since I’ve seen the movie, so I looked it up to make sure. Her power is to borrow other people’s powers through physical contact. Essentially, if contact is short and he can regain his power fast enough (which he does), he’s fine. Those few seconds his regeneration helps with are all he needs.
That doesn’t do a whole lot to help with the touch issue this entire thread was about. When people talk about wanting human touch, they don’t mean just a half second tap.
Damn, that’s a good comic. Dark superhero comics are definitely my thing; Worm/Ward (Parahumans universe by Wildbow, online fiction) are good recommendations if anybody likes this sort of thing
I’m not a big comic fan (I’ve only read small snippits like this), but this is from the “ultimates” storyline, which to my understanding is an alternate universe where things are… much bleaker than normal Marvel
Lmao i didn’t even get past “kills everything she touches” without my adhd brain flying away and imagining how sad and lonely she must be and how on order to have human touch, she’d have to find somebody either incapable of dying or who can realive themselves. Like a living-dead girl. Also I assumed she was gay for some reason.
Like Logan?
Nah, Wolverine was canonically cishet last I checked 🤷
That’s a pretty boring immortality if he never tried anything new
He’s one of Marvel’s biggest mary sues and overrated as fuck. I remember seeing somewhere, I think at Cracked, that on a Wolverine vs. Punisher comic, mr macho man finds out that Frank Castle has plenty of naked muscle men magazines, “It’s research!”
Wolvie’s reaction was a silent smirk that spoke “HAHA LOL UR GAY”
I mean that was a pretty standard response at the time, so maybe Wolverine is just echoing the attitudes of the time?
I do wonder this about immortals, do they live long enough for the white cells in their brain to solidify into pure inflexible dark grey matter, or are they in a constant state of flux that their attitudes change on a whim depending on their surroundings (essentially, forever mentally children)
At least in wolverines case, he isn’t truly, fully, immortal. His healing factor eventually slows to the point he gets old and dies. In the case if true immortality like Mr. Immortal, it is most likely part of the power that gives them immortality to also keep the body roughly the same, i.e in working order. Mentally they all probably go insane after a few hundred or thousand years, but the comics do not cover such large periods or accurately reflect the mental state.
Isn’t it usually that it gets interfered with, and that does him in?
To my knowledge, interfering with the healing factor only works while actively interfering it, and if you stop at any point Logan is able to come back essentially post mortem. In some books it is so powerful that he essentially stopped aging when he acquired the healing factor secondary mutation. In the movies, he still ages but much slower, and eventually his body begins to reject the adamantium in his skeleton and his healing factor cannot heal fast enough, leading to his (kinda) death.
The neat thing about a silent response from a fictional character is that it can be reinterpreted.
If someone was hoarding nude pics and told me they were for “research”, I’d smirk too. “Researching all night til their arm falls off.”
Wolverine? He can die, can’t he? He’s just really really hard to kill, to my knowledge, and just regenerates really really fast. But if she touches somebody and they instantly die… That won’t make much difference. Unless he’s ACTUALLY immortal, rather than just effectively/virtually immortal and just really really hard to kill.
There’s a comic in which he gets annihilated and regenerates from a single surviving cell. Or from the ashes, or something. In any car, I remember it implying that his power exists beyond his physical body, because when he regenerates he isn’t a mental infant - he still had his memories, even though his brain was destroyed.
However.
In the super-hero genre there’s a tenancy to one-upmanship. Later artists amplify the powers of the character more and more until they are like unto gods. Superman may be the best example of this; in one series he goes and hangs out at the center of the sun for a few centuries and comes out omnipotent. If you go back to his roots in the mid-century, he was a super man, but not a god. Wolverine kept getting more and more powerful as the decades went on, until that arc where he regenerates from a single cell. I don’t think the original creator imagined him being that indestructible.
Depends on the author and how “important” he is to the story. In the original civil war comic arc, a Nitro dude exploded him down to the shiny bones. Wolvie came back from that in 5 minutes. On the days of future past comic arc in the 80s, oldverine dies from a sentinel blast that also leaves him as just metal bones.
Ridiculous with it in the 2000s. In the old days it was he just heals faster than most and take a beating but he can still die. I remember one where he was sneaking onto a ship or something and was starving so he cannibalize his own arm which didn’t make sense. Also another one had a story about how he was in a concentration camp in WW2 and kept get incinerated and coming back. Just tons of dumb shit like that that made the character less interesting.
Huh? Rogue’s power is that she sucks power/energy out of other people, wolverine regenerates so he’s fine.
This happened in the movies. He survived, but was not “fine”.
He really gave her the gift of life 💦
Regeneration is his power. She takes powers. Regeneration won’t help him for very long.
Her touch isn’t instant death, but it’s fast enough that it makes no difference to most people. His regeneration can keep up, but barely. And at the end of the first movie, he does touch her.
He’s fine in the source material
Except her power is to take other people’s powers. Theirs stops working shortly after contact is made. His regeneration might help for a few seconds… Until it stops working because she stole it.
It has been a while since I’ve seen the movie, so I looked it up to make sure. Her power is to borrow other people’s powers through physical contact. Essentially, if contact is short and he can regain his power fast enough (which he does), he’s fine. Those few seconds his regeneration helps with are all he needs.
That doesn’t do a whole lot to help with the touch issue this entire thread was about. When people talk about wanting human touch, they don’t mean just a half second tap.
You should definitely check out this 20 page short comic: https://imgur.com/gallery/wolverines-job-isnt-always-easy-to-do-I71V6
It’s basically that, and Wolverine goes in because his regeneration keeps him alive
(Edit: From Marvel’s Ultimate X-Men Vol. 1 #41)
Damn, that’s a good comic. Dark superhero comics are definitely my thing; Worm/Ward (Parahumans universe by Wildbow, online fiction) are good recommendations if anybody likes this sort of thing
Sheesh that’s kinda dark.
Jesus CHRIST. There was no other solution? I get the pragmatism, but… Fuck. This is like an actual mercy killing.
I’m not a big comic fan (I’ve only read small snippits like this), but this is from the “ultimates” storyline, which to my understanding is an alternate universe where things are… much bleaker than normal Marvel
That’s not even counting the guy that instantly dissolved everyone around him and the X-Men sent Logan to take him out.