I realise I may be pissing into the wind here, but people don’t typically stop at one crime. If you catch the person who did it, that stops them from carrying on doing crimes.
It seems pointless to argue this. Clearly it is true some of the time and not true others. Even some of the opportunistic petty stuff could have been prevented by timely interventions, especially social welfare programs
However There is evidence that “broken windows” policing doesn’t work, and “stop and frisk” just breeds resentment
But imagine if police had a good reputation for helping people, lived up to “protect and serve”, actually were a thin blue line keeping civilization civil, cared about preventing crime, investigating crime, seeing justice done. Imagine if they spent their time on issues that matter. Imagine if they were able to handle substance abuse and mental illness for the good of the victims, connect the desperate up with social welfare programs. Just by slogans alone we could have a much better world while preventing a huge portion of crime.
I mean you can also say that that threat of jail does prevent people from committing crimes. But this seems like a pretty hyperbolic group, not really a lot of room for nuance. A lot of these ACAB people could see a cop sacrificing his life to save an orphanage full of children and still call him evil for being part of a broken system with bad people in it.
People I know that work with criminals attest that the vast majority of crimes are opportunistic encounters by ordinary people and “career criminality” is rare.
Of course “I know people who say” isn’t much fact either but it’s more then nothing.
It’s definitely not fact. In fact, the Prison Industrial Complex causes MORE crime than doing literally nothing would, let alone actually investing in amelioration of the root causes.
Agreed, it doesn’t address that putting someone in jail did or didn’t prevent them from committing more crimes. Then a study is linked that focuses almost entirely on the economic aspect of jails, again not the topic. But this crowd isn’t open to an honest convo, they’re the hyperbolic “all people in group X are Y” kind folks. Not a lot of room for nuance in these convos when they can’t even stay in topic then come at you for calling out a nothing response.
I realise I may be pissing into the wind here, but people don’t typically stop at one crime. If you catch the person who did it, that stops them from carrying on doing crimes.
Of course, social programs also help.
It seems pointless to argue this. Clearly it is true some of the time and not true others. Even some of the opportunistic petty stuff could have been prevented by timely interventions, especially social welfare programs
However There is evidence that “broken windows” policing doesn’t work, and “stop and frisk” just breeds resentment
But imagine if police had a good reputation for helping people, lived up to “protect and serve”, actually were a thin blue line keeping civilization civil, cared about preventing crime, investigating crime, seeing justice done. Imagine if they spent their time on issues that matter. Imagine if they were able to handle substance abuse and mental illness for the good of the victims, connect the desperate up with social welfare programs. Just by slogans alone we could have a much better world while preventing a huge portion of crime.
I mean you can also say that that threat of jail does prevent people from committing crimes. But this seems like a pretty hyperbolic group, not really a lot of room for nuance. A lot of these ACAB people could see a cop sacrificing his life to save an orphanage full of children and still call him evil for being part of a broken system with bad people in it.
It really is. I also think a lot of the power users here just aren’t that bright, to be honest.
Is this fact or feeling?
People I know that work with criminals attest that the vast majority of crimes are opportunistic encounters by ordinary people and “career criminality” is rare.
Of course “I know people who say” isn’t much fact either but it’s more then nothing.
It’s definitely not fact. In fact, the Prison Industrial Complex causes MORE crime than doing literally nothing would, let alone actually investing in amelioration of the root causes.
This has to be the most Lemmy comment I’ve ever seen.
High quality and accurate?
Tangentially related material to garner favor from other fake, emotionally dependent, reactionary, hyper online, social rejects.
explain (you won’t)
If you don’t already understand what I’m saying, I don’t think me explaining it further will help.
(he didn’t)
Agreed, it doesn’t address that putting someone in jail did or didn’t prevent them from committing more crimes. Then a study is linked that focuses almost entirely on the economic aspect of jails, again not the topic. But this crowd isn’t open to an honest convo, they’re the hyperbolic “all people in group X are Y” kind folks. Not a lot of room for nuance in these convos when they can’t even stay in topic then come at you for calling out a nothing response.
Are these people working with repeat offenders though? Or those going through the system for the very first time?
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