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    228 days ago

    Yeah but according to the current legal definition, looking at the evidence, I can confidently claim it’s a genocide

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      28 days ago

      No, not according to the current definition. That is why Ireland is trying to change it. Words change all the time so it is possible.

      That would equate Gaza and Ukraine with the Holocaust, Rwanda, Cambodia, the nature and magnitude of which were very different. Perhaps they could create a new word for those?

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        128 days ago

        equate Gaza and Ukraine with

        Huh? Gaza and Ukraine are completely different conflicts. Ukraine is a military invasion, Gaza is a genocide.

        No, not according to the current definition

        Can you post the current definition? I’m happy to argue about that, because i do maintain that it’s a genocide in the case of Gaza because there’s a manifest intent to eliminate an entire people, unlike the case of Ukraine.

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          127 days ago

          The current definition of Genocide is set out in Article II of the Genocide Convention:

          Genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
          (a) Killing members of the group;
          (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
          © Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated
          to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
          (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
          (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

          To constitute genocide, it also needs to be established that the victims are deliberately targeted — not randomly — because of their real or perceived membership of one of the four groups protected under the Convention. This means that the target of destruction must be the group, as such, or even a part of it, but not its members as individuals.

          https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/Genocide Convention-FactSheet-ENG.pdf

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            027 days ago

            By those exact metrics, I consider myself capable of judging that Israel is committing a genocide against Palestinians, and that Russia is committing war but not genocide in Ukraine.

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          Gaza and Ukraine are completely different conflicts.

          Am just passing on what Ireland is doing.

          Ireland will not be asserting if genocide is being committed, but asserting its interpretation of the Genocide Convention.

          This is the same approach taken by Ireland in the Ukraine v Russia case.