British police have launched a criminal investigation into a performance by rap-punk duo Bob Vylan at the Glastonbury Festival on Saturday, when the group led chants of “death to the IDF,” or Israel Defense Forces.
So I take it then, that any comment even vaguely in support of Israel will be removed as against the TOS? Because surely advocating in favour of genocide, even indirectly, is far worse than criticising the organisation actually committing that genocide?
No, I know you won’t. Here it is, bolding is mine:
“Rule 6: Memes, spam, other low effort posting, reposts, misinformation, advocating violence, off-topic, trolling, offensive, regarding the moderators or meta in content may be removed at any time.”
The IDF, being an occupying army, under international law is absolutely a legitimate target for violent armed Palestinian resistance. Legitimate target of violent armed resistance. It’s the law.
Destroying an army is not an extermination program either. It’s called war. Members of that group can choose to leave that group. It’s called deserting.
Under international law, the UN charter, Palestinians fighting against the IDF, using armed violence against the occupation is a legitimate war. Are you denying the right of Palestinians to fight a war for their freedom?
OK, got it. So, according to you and the rules of the community, Ukraine is supposed to defend itself with strongly worded letters to the editor. Maybe my ancestors who fought for Greek freedom and independence were violent extremists. Even got my comment removed by mod for saying as much. How lovely. The door. Of course.
I hope one day you will realize the double standard that you’re applying to the Palestinian struggle for freedom and how this double standard was part of the things that enable their Genocide. Hopefully by then, there will still be Palestinians in Palestine.
These are contradictory statements, it makes no sense. When you say that “Ukraine can do whatever they need to do [in the face of] an illegal invasion and genocidal statements and actions” YOU are also saying that they can use deadly force. YOU are advocating violence on behalf of Ukraine. But if we flip the bit from Ukraine to Palestine suddenly it breaks the TOS?
But we’re not talking about killing people. We’re talking about killing an organisation. If someone had said “death to Apple”, that is not the same as “death to Tim Cook and all his employees”.
We specifically ban calls for violence, if you argue “Death to Apple” in an environment where Apple stores are being firebombed, then yeah, we’d remove those statements too.
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Calling for death of any group is not allowed.
Gotta be fair to the genocide force of course.
Like they’re not an ethnic group or comprised of innocents. This is a force whose express intent is genocide and displacement.
Doesn’t matter. Calling for violence against any group is against TOS.
It’s a quote. From the guy in the article… you also didn’t remove the other people mentioning it here…
Gotta protect the poor organization formed explicitly for genocide…
Can’t see how you are doing exactly what the UK police is doing? 😂
Would you also just follow orders when the Nazis tell you to?
Edit: ……and my point was made. Orders successfully followed. 👏 👏 👏
That one got reported, the others did not, but since you mention it, I’ll check the rest of the thread, thanks!
Edit only one other comment advocating violence, it was also removed.
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This censorship is clear evidence of anti-masochism.
So I take it then, that any comment even vaguely in support of Israel will be removed as against the TOS? Because surely advocating in favour of genocide, even indirectly, is far worse than criticising the organisation actually committing that genocide?
Any comment advocating the destruction of Gaza or the Palestinians absolutely gets removed, fortunately there have been far fewer of those.
Similarly Russian and Chinese propaganda about Ukraine and the Uyghur genocide is also removed.
Speaking of Russian propaganda, is saying “Russian soldiers invading Ukraine should be killed” also bannable?
Saying anyone should be killed is removable, not bannable.
So is saying “Ukrainian should beat the Russian army” “removable”, then?
Your TOS do not prohibit it. It only prohibit call for violence against racial, ethnic groups and any minorities
Read the Sidebar, specifically Rule 6.
No, I know you won’t. Here it is, bolding is mine:
“Rule 6: Memes, spam, other low effort posting, reposts, misinformation, advocating violence, off-topic, trolling, offensive, regarding the moderators or meta in content may be removed at any time.”
The IDF, being an occupying army, under international law is absolutely a legitimate target for violent armed Palestinian resistance. Legitimate target of violent armed resistance. It’s the law.
Great, go to Gaza and sign up. Don’t advocate for violence HERE.
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Wait, you can’t even say a group should be eliminated? Not even people, but a group‽
Is “defund the police” also a bannable offence now?
No, because defunding the police is not an extermination program. Advocate for KILLING cops? That’s going to be removed with a quickness.
Destroying an army is not an extermination program either. It’s called war. Members of that group can choose to leave that group. It’s called deserting. Under international law, the UN charter, Palestinians fighting against the IDF, using armed violence against the occupation is a legitimate war. Are you denying the right of Palestinians to fight a war for their freedom?
Absolutely not, I’m denying lemmy users ability to say anyone should be killing anyone else as per your TOS.
Don’t like it?
OK, got it. So, according to you and the rules of the community, Ukraine is supposed to defend itself with strongly worded letters to the editor. Maybe my ancestors who fought for Greek freedom and independence were violent extremists. Even got my comment removed by mod for saying as much. How lovely. The door. Of course.
I hope one day you will realize the double standard that you’re applying to the Palestinian struggle for freedom and how this double standard was part of the things that enable their Genocide. Hopefully by then, there will still be Palestinians in Palestine.
The door.
No, Ukraine can do whatever they need to do to throw off an illegal invasion and genocidal statements and actions.
YOU are not Ukraine, and if you’re going to participate here, you will abide by the rules of the community which explicitly do not advocate violence.
These are contradictory statements, it makes no sense. When you say that “Ukraine can do whatever they need to do [in the face of] an illegal invasion and genocidal statements and actions” YOU are also saying that they can use deadly force. YOU are advocating violence on behalf of Ukraine. But if we flip the bit from Ukraine to Palestine suddenly it breaks the TOS?
Palestinian can’t?
Or, apparently, causing property damage 🤦♂️
But we’re not talking about killing people. We’re talking about killing an organisation. If someone had said “death to Apple”, that is not the same as “death to Tim Cook and all his employees”.
We specifically ban calls for violence, if you argue “Death to Apple” in an environment where Apple stores are being firebombed, then yeah, we’d remove those statements too.
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You were warned, this is now a temp ban. Continuing to be an asshole will earn a permanent ban.
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Does this include the Russian military?
What about indirect stuff such as “The Ukrainians should crush the Russian invaders” ?
Indirect stuff I generally let slide, other mods may or may not. Plausible deniability and all that.
But yes, the videos some other communities allow showing drone attacks on Russian soldiers, cheering when people get killed? We’d remove those.
Of course a top level post would be removed because we don’t allow video posts, but as a comment, I’d remove those too.
You can’t stop the mouvement and Palestinians has the right to self defense whatever you like it or not
I’m not interested in stopping anything outside bad behavior in the groups I moderate.
I have nothing to do with “the movement” and neither do you.