Harris said she would work toward peace talks. Whether this was true or not will never be known. But from what I’ve read, despite what she really wanted, she had to “toe the line” and not stray from Biden’s policies if she wanted to keep her campaign alive.
trump campaigned to not only let Netanyahu “finish the job,” and to write Israel a “blank check,” and to build a resort in Gaza, but also to build concentration camps ON AMERICAN SOIL, and to send Americans and immigrants in the US to foreign concentration camps.
Not voting for either is essentially a vote for trump, in this current political climate.
So voting for Harris is the closest we get to voting against concentration camps.
The dems in congress are still supporting Israel as hard as ever. Why do you think Kamala, who hasn’t done or said anything since losing, would be any different? Are we forgetting she was VP and did nothing for an entire year of slaughter?
Exactly. The key to remember is that “vote blue no matter who” is a one-way street with one-way loyalty. Centrists demand loyalty from progressives, but they will never offer the same in return.
Might as well vote for the one that follows the law, won’t deport people without due process to an extra-national torture prison, won’t demonize and harm LGBTQ citizens, and is willing to be held accountable.
There it is. Every time. They always get defensive. Yeah they were my words. They were factual words. You voted for genocide. I voted for genocide. Most of America voted for genocide, the ones that didn’t vote? They also voted for genocide. Get off your high horse, that’s what you voted for if you can’t accept it then you have no business talking about anything else.
Tf you talking about? As an outsider I can tell you, this person did not fucking vote for genocide.
What is this catch-22 shit? You won’t be happy until someone straps themselves to a bomb, and blows up some random cop, is that it?
Be real, dictatorships do just happen, humans are weak, don’t be surprised most won’t lay down their lives if they don’t even know if it will hurt the right people.
Yeah… Single issue voters like this is what brought this orange demon upon us (again). Israel is really influential; they are going to genocide no matter what with the help of all their allies. By voting (or not voting) on this one issue, you risk huge economic stability and more war, as we’ve seen.
The entire world knows your political system is rubbish but, whether we like it or not, USA is the world police. And when the world police no longer polices we get emboldened actions like bombing Iran for no good reason.
And when the world police no longer polices we get emboldened actions like bombing Iran for no good reason.
I think you have a mistaken idea of what the policing has looked like in the past 78 years. The US bombed Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Indonesia, Guatemala, Afghanistan, Yemen, Somalia, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lybia, and they’ve armed plenty of regimes doing the bombing for them (Saddam Hussein, for example). America has been destabilizing the globe for decades, and there is a lot of blood on their hands (on the order of 12 million, if we count direct casualties).
You think there was a good reason for invading Iraq?
Nope. Not at all. I don’t think any of it is good at all.
However, it doesn’t matter because the US has the biggest military in the world and maintained some semblance of global order. Now that the US has essentially flipped sides, it’s caused all sorts of instability with the global economy.
I’m being selfish here because your orange idiot and the sheer greed of your richest people has caused issues in our economy. It honestly would’ve been better under Harris.
Oh please. Genocide denial? Of course there’s a genocide going on in Palestine that’s being driven by Israel and their allies. That’s not the debate here.
Get off your high horse. Your political system is absolute rubbish and you’ve cornered yourselves onto picking status quo and a lunatic. And unfortunately, your elected president pretty much determines a lot of what the Western sphere does.
I wish the US didn’t have anywhere near the amount of influence it has but it was lucky that they were largely untouched in WW2 which provided a developmental advantage.
You might sleep better for not having taken part in your democracy or whatever, but the fact that the rest of us now have to deal with the international fall out is so, so frustrating.
By trying to minimize the amount of ethnic cleansing happening and slow it the fuck down so we have a better chance at stopping it rather than let it go unchallenged electorally and via direct action.
Poor technocrit. Your attempt to keep Republicans in power by infecting progressive-leaning voters with apathy, it just keeps getting weaker and weaker, doesn’t it?
FTFY
How do you vote against concentration camps when both candidates are genocidal?
What would you have me do?
Harris said she would work toward peace talks. Whether this was true or not will never be known. But from what I’ve read, despite what she really wanted, she had to “toe the line” and not stray from Biden’s policies if she wanted to keep her campaign alive.
trump campaigned to not only let Netanyahu “finish the job,” and to write Israel a “blank check,” and to build a resort in Gaza, but also to build concentration camps ON AMERICAN SOIL, and to send Americans and immigrants in the US to foreign concentration camps.
Not voting for either is essentially a vote for trump, in this current political climate.
So voting for Harris is the closest we get to voting against concentration camps.
The dems in congress are still supporting Israel as hard as ever. Why do you think Kamala, who hasn’t done or said anything since losing, would be any different? Are we forgetting she was VP and did nothing for an entire year of slaughter?
So then it’s literally a no win scenario, and I had to pick the least bad. My point stands.
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Then you’re a fucking moron. “lmao”
you vote for the party that’s open to negotiations on the subject, i stead of the part that is committed to genocide at all costs
Exactly. The key to remember is that “vote blue no matter who” is a one-way street with one-way loyalty. Centrists demand loyalty from progressives, but they will never offer the same in return.
Show me one who wasn’t “pro genocide”.
Edit: 26 down votes, and no one has even tried to put forward a “non-genocide” candidate. Really speaks volumes that they don’t even try.
That’s the point isn’t it? No matter who you voted for you voted for genocide.
Might as well vote for the one that follows the law, won’t deport people without due process to an extra-national torture prison, won’t demonize and harm LGBTQ citizens, and is willing to be held accountable.
Sure. Though I don’t know about that last part exactly. Since we all support genocide we should at least have some other stuff.
Your words not mine.
That quick list is in no way comprehensive.
There it is. Every time. They always get defensive. Yeah they were my words. They were factual words. You voted for genocide. I voted for genocide. Most of America voted for genocide, the ones that didn’t vote? They also voted for genocide. Get off your high horse, that’s what you voted for if you can’t accept it then you have no business talking about anything else.
Tf you talking about? As an outsider I can tell you, this person did not fucking vote for genocide.
What is this catch-22 shit? You won’t be happy until someone straps themselves to a bomb, and blows up some random cop, is that it?
Be real, dictatorships do just happen, humans are weak, don’t be surprised most won’t lay down their lives if they don’t even know if it will hurt the right people.
sound awfully defensive…
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Yeah… Single issue voters like this is what brought this orange demon upon us (again). Israel is really influential; they are going to genocide no matter what with the help of all their allies. By voting (or not voting) on this one issue, you risk huge economic stability and more war, as we’ve seen.
The entire world knows your political system is rubbish but, whether we like it or not, USA is the world police. And when the world police no longer polices we get emboldened actions like bombing Iran for no good reason.
I think you have a mistaken idea of what the policing has looked like in the past 78 years. The US bombed Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Indonesia, Guatemala, Afghanistan, Yemen, Somalia, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lybia, and they’ve armed plenty of regimes doing the bombing for them (Saddam Hussein, for example). America has been destabilizing the globe for decades, and there is a lot of blood on their hands (on the order of 12 million, if we count direct casualties).
You think there was a good reason for invading Iraq?
Nope. Not at all. I don’t think any of it is good at all.
However, it doesn’t matter because the US has the biggest military in the world and maintained some semblance of global order. Now that the US has essentially flipped sides, it’s caused all sorts of instability with the global economy.
I’m being selfish here because your orange idiot and the sheer greed of your richest people has caused issues in our economy. It honestly would’ve been better under Harris.
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Oh please. Genocide denial? Of course there’s a genocide going on in Palestine that’s being driven by Israel and their allies. That’s not the debate here.
Get off your high horse. Your political system is absolute rubbish and you’ve cornered yourselves onto picking status quo and a lunatic. And unfortunately, your elected president pretty much determines a lot of what the Western sphere does.
I wish the US didn’t have anywhere near the amount of influence it has but it was lucky that they were largely untouched in WW2 which provided a developmental advantage.
You might sleep better for not having taken part in your democracy or whatever, but the fact that the rest of us now have to deal with the international fall out is so, so frustrating.
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In general? Yes, but I’d be a lot less ashamed if trump wasn’t the president.
lol this nonsense again, let me guess you didnt vote in protest.
Lemme guess…Whoa whoa genocide joe where did you come from where did you go, where did you come from genocide joe
Disingenuous bullshit.
Both candidates support israel, how is that disingenuous?
You know. I don’t need to explain it to you.
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Tell me more about who I am please.
By trying to minimize the amount of ethnic cleansing happening and slow it the fuck down so we have a better chance at stopping it rather than let it go unchallenged electorally and via direct action.
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Poor technocrit. Your attempt to keep Republicans in power by infecting progressive-leaning voters with apathy, it just keeps getting weaker and weaker, doesn’t it?
ots upsetting how far down I had to scroll to find this comment