This is funny, but it’s not really what I’m seeing from them. They all seem real upset that the Epstien files aren’t being released. So far they’re mostly blaming Pam Bondi, but if Trump keeps telling them to forget about Epstien, they might abandon him. They’ll bend their conspiracy theories around Trump, but if tries to break them, they’ll turn on him (…or say he’s been replaced with a deep-state body-double clone).
Lmao. What exactly about the past decade of American politics makes you think that this is even remotely possible? There could be real video evidence of him raping a child posted all over Twitter and it wouldn’t make a bit of difference. It would be fake news, AI generated, etc. Let me be clear- these people will worship Trump no matter what. There is NOTHING that will drive the true believers away from him. Even when he dies a decent number of them will believe he faked his death and is fighting evil from the shadows and fewer still will believe he ascended to become a divine being.
What exactly about the past decade of American politics makes you think that this is even remotely possible?
I significant amount has changed over the last 10 years, including how Trump has engaged with QAnon and the conspiracy-element of his base. Early on, he didn’t address or acknowledge Q, and only started dropping small dog whistles towards the community late into his first term. It was enough to keep them holding on without making direct promises.
The Q account evolved as well; they started off making bold predictions, like the imminent arrest of Clinton and other Democrats. When that became less tenable, they pivoted to vague, meaningless predictions like, “Watch the Water,” or just throwing out a date with no context. The account functionally died after Trump’s 2020 loss, and hasn’t really been relevant since.
During the Biden years, the community pivoted towards Epstien, with promises of unredacted files, flightlogs, client lists, and video evidence proving that prominent Democrats were all part of a Q-like conspiracy. The problem is, unlike the original Q conspiracy, which was based on imagined, malleable nonsense, this was based on real events with tangible evidence, which Trump directly promised to reveal. That means that, while the conspiracy has more credibility, its goal posts are harder to move.
This is already making it hard to keep the conspiracy-pilled MAGAs happy. Early on, Bondi gave a bunch of Q influencers copies of, “the Epstien files,” and when it turned out to be a bunch of information that had already been disclosed, they got pissed. They’ve also ripped Kash Patel and Dan Bongino apart for saying Epstien didn’t kill himself and Bondi for claiming she already had the client lists. So far, it hasn’t trickled up to Trump yet, but if he doesn’t figure something out, it will eventually. The only thing more important to these people than Trump is the conspiracy they created around Trump, and if he doesn’t find away to keep that alive, they will leave him.
I like your optimism but most MAGAts aren’t conspiracy theorists. Sure, they will believe the conspiracy when it’s regurgitated by Faux News and the like, but probably the vast majority don’t even know what 4chan is or think that “he’s a hacker” if they have heard of it.
Yes Conspiracy brained MAGAts have been focused on Epstein, but because they could use that information to ‘own the libs’, not because they actually give a fuck about children. If they did they wouldn’t have spent the last 10 years trying to prop up a sexual predator and probable pedo.
Even if the Q Cult turns on Trump, it’s unlikely that the right wing media MAGAts consume will report on it, or if they do they’ll make it look like he’s being attacked by evil degenerate ‘hackers’ online. It’s not like it would be at all hard to make the case that 4chan is full of degenerates.
Like I said, they will happily believe in a conspiracy theory if it fits their worldview or it helps them clown on ‘liberals’, but there is a difference between people online who ‘research’ conspiracy theories and take them super seriously, and people who get their ‘information’ from Fox news.
I think its a little more nebulous than you’re making it out to be. I think there are a of factions within the conspiracy MAGAs with different degrees of dedication. Some of them are just entertaining the idea because they like calling Democrats pedophiles, while others are QAnon true-believers that have been investing in this for the better part if a decade. I’m not sure what percentage of MAGA are true-believers, but they are his most loyal followers, and I do believe he might lose them if he can’t find a way to keep feeding them breadcrumbs. Plenty of MAGAs won’t give a shit, but I think they’re also more fickle and more likely to abandon him over something like his tariff policy fucking up their 401K.
This is just my gut feeling as someone who’s been following the Q movement fairly closely since the pandemic. I could be wrong, and we’ll see how it shakes out.
Plenty of MAGAs won’t give a shit, but I think they’re also more fickle and more likely to abandon him over something like his tariff policy fucking up their 401K.
Maybe, I highly doubt it though. He’ll just blame that on Joe Biden and the smooth brains will claim it makes sense.
This is just my gut feeling as someone who’s been following the Q movement fairly closely since the pandemic.
Out of curiosity, why would you follow the Q movement? Like, it’s clearly based on horseshit. Flat Earth theory seems almost reasonable by comparison. Seems like a giant waste of time to me.
I’ve always found conspiracy theories and cults interesting, and I had started hearing more about Q during lock down (I think it was the mole-children under Central Park story that caught my attention). I found a podcast called QAnon Anonymous that I started following because it was funny and informative. Over time, I started gaining a better understanding of MAGA and the right-wing ecosystem by following them. Then, in the lead up to the 2020 election, it started becoming less funny and more newsworthy, and now it just seems important towards understanding how we ended up with a fascist government.
WTF, lmao. God damn it now I’m going to have to look that one up.
now it just seems important towards understanding how we ended up with a fascist government.
I honestly think it has less to do with anything conspiracy theory related and everything to do with good old fashioned racism, bigotry, and hypocrisy. The only thing that could be considered a conspiracy theory type deal that contributes is “somehow”* a large number of so-called Christians have been led to believe that the U.S. was founded on Christianity. Well that and that Jesus would somehow approve of denying people healthcare and housing, the prison industrial complex, and hating foreigners.
by “somehow” I mean this is the line of horseshit that has been fed to them by pastors/preachers/priests. I’m sure they got together at some point and planned this out, so it would count as a conspiracy.
I honestly think it has less to do with anything conspiracy theory related and everything to do with good old fashioned racism, bigotry, and hypocrisy.
These things aren’t as disconnected as you might think. Conspiracy theories often create a permission structure for bigotry. The Protocols of the Elders of Zion made the internment and extermination of Jews in Nazi Germany acceptable. QAnon conspiracies about child trafficking are creating the same permission structure for the persecution of immigrants (there’s a reason Kilmar Abrego Garcia is facing trumped-up human trafficking charges now).
Conspiracy theorists are also often on the front-line of fascist movements, and following Q has kept me ahead of the curve on some of this stuff. While everyone was wondering who the hell the buffalo guy was on Jan 6, I was thinking, “Of course the QAnon Shaman is here.”
I just looked the “Mole Children” thing up and it’s almost as stupid as it sounds like. I guess it says something about the quality of their conspiracies when I was expecting actual half mole half human hybrids.
How do these Q idiots reconcile the fact that neither Fox News or Donald Trump has said a peep about the story? You and I both know that if he had led a rescue of 35k abused children he would NEVER shut the fuck up about it. Yet he never brought it up even in his rallies where people unaffiliated with the news could have recorded him saying it.
How do these Q idiots reconcile the fact that neither Fox News or Donald Trump has said a peep about the story?
Well, like I said, it was easier when Q was active and there were a bunch of influencers crafting a narrative. If I remember right, the public Trump was mostly an act, while behind the scenes he was a more solemn man working with, “white hats,” to free children. That’s where all those memes about Trump’s, “sacrifice,” come from.
fewer still will believe he ascended to become a divine being
I’m not actually sure that would be fewer considering the number of them that treat him like the second coming of jesus. Which is absolutely hilarious, mind you. Tell me none of these people have ever even read the damn bible…
Yeah, that’s certainly what they’re doing with Bondi, and I’m sure they’ll find other people to attack. But Trump is starting to wade in himself; in a press conference the other day, when a reporter asked him about Epstien, he answered directly, saying something to the effect of, “Why are you still talking about this, who cares?” And the answer is, “his most loyal followers,” so we’ll see how it shakes out. If he can keep using surrogates to take the blame, he’ll probably be fine, but if he keeps commenting directly, he might be in trouble.
There will be a bit of whining from the more vocal faithful, as there always is, but I don’t think that this time is the time they’ll really turn against Trump when they’re already 11+ years brainwashed and have accepted and *‘art of the deal’*ed his backtracks and flip-flops so many dozens of times in the past.
It’s a cult and Trump is the cult leader. They won’t stick firm to their demand for the files, because the great orange one has told them that demand isn’t important anymore and is giving them new things to focus on. Epstein’s files aren’t core to their identity, but MAGA and Trump are - one will give.
Maybe. I think a problem they’ve been having since the collapse of the Q account is that there is no centralizing force to help craft narratives. In the past, when Trump would make an move incongruous with their conspiracy, Q could release a cryptic statement and a series of Q influencers would step in to turn it into a something that fit the plot. Now Q is gone, and Q influencers are in the White House, so there’s less cohesion behind a narrative and less excuses for why the, “deep state,” hasn’t been exposed. Conspiracy theories work best as an opposition movement, not a governing party.
This is funny, but it’s not really what I’m seeing from them. They all seem real upset that the Epstien files aren’t being released. So far they’re mostly blaming Pam Bondi, but if Trump keeps telling them to forget about Epstien, they might abandon him. They’ll bend their conspiracy theories around Trump, but if tries to break them, they’ll turn on him (…or say he’s been replaced with a deep-state body-double clone).
Lmao. What exactly about the past decade of American politics makes you think that this is even remotely possible? There could be real video evidence of him raping a child posted all over Twitter and it wouldn’t make a bit of difference. It would be fake news, AI generated, etc. Let me be clear- these people will worship Trump no matter what. There is NOTHING that will drive the true believers away from him. Even when he dies a decent number of them will believe he faked his death and is fighting evil from the shadows and fewer still will believe he ascended to become a divine being.
I significant amount has changed over the last 10 years, including how Trump has engaged with QAnon and the conspiracy-element of his base. Early on, he didn’t address or acknowledge Q, and only started dropping small dog whistles towards the community late into his first term. It was enough to keep them holding on without making direct promises.
The Q account evolved as well; they started off making bold predictions, like the imminent arrest of Clinton and other Democrats. When that became less tenable, they pivoted to vague, meaningless predictions like, “Watch the Water,” or just throwing out a date with no context. The account functionally died after Trump’s 2020 loss, and hasn’t really been relevant since.
During the Biden years, the community pivoted towards Epstien, with promises of unredacted files, flightlogs, client lists, and video evidence proving that prominent Democrats were all part of a Q-like conspiracy. The problem is, unlike the original Q conspiracy, which was based on imagined, malleable nonsense, this was based on real events with tangible evidence, which Trump directly promised to reveal. That means that, while the conspiracy has more credibility, its goal posts are harder to move.
This is already making it hard to keep the conspiracy-pilled MAGAs happy. Early on, Bondi gave a bunch of Q influencers copies of, “the Epstien files,” and when it turned out to be a bunch of information that had already been disclosed, they got pissed. They’ve also ripped Kash Patel and Dan Bongino apart for saying Epstien didn’t kill himself and Bondi for claiming she already had the client lists. So far, it hasn’t trickled up to Trump yet, but if he doesn’t figure something out, it will eventually. The only thing more important to these people than Trump is the conspiracy they created around Trump, and if he doesn’t find away to keep that alive, they will leave him.
I like your optimism but most MAGAts aren’t conspiracy theorists. Sure, they will believe the conspiracy when it’s regurgitated by Faux News and the like, but probably the vast majority don’t even know what 4chan is or think that “he’s a hacker” if they have heard of it.
Yes Conspiracy brained MAGAts have been focused on Epstein, but because they could use that information to ‘own the libs’, not because they actually give a fuck about children. If they did they wouldn’t have spent the last 10 years trying to prop up a sexual predator and probable pedo.
Even if the Q Cult turns on Trump, it’s unlikely that the right wing media MAGAts consume will report on it, or if they do they’ll make it look like he’s being attacked by evil degenerate ‘hackers’ online. It’s not like it would be at all hard to make the case that 4chan is full of degenerates.
you have no idea how much magats are into consiparacy theories, if you think its limited amount.
Like I said, they will happily believe in a conspiracy theory if it fits their worldview or it helps them clown on ‘liberals’, but there is a difference between people online who ‘research’ conspiracy theories and take them super seriously, and people who get their ‘information’ from Fox news.
I think its a little more nebulous than you’re making it out to be. I think there are a of factions within the conspiracy MAGAs with different degrees of dedication. Some of them are just entertaining the idea because they like calling Democrats pedophiles, while others are QAnon true-believers that have been investing in this for the better part if a decade. I’m not sure what percentage of MAGA are true-believers, but they are his most loyal followers, and I do believe he might lose them if he can’t find a way to keep feeding them breadcrumbs. Plenty of MAGAs won’t give a shit, but I think they’re also more fickle and more likely to abandon him over something like his tariff policy fucking up their 401K.
This is just my gut feeling as someone who’s been following the Q movement fairly closely since the pandemic. I could be wrong, and we’ll see how it shakes out.
Maybe, I highly doubt it though. He’ll just blame that on Joe Biden and the smooth brains will claim it makes sense.
Out of curiosity, why would you follow the Q movement? Like, it’s clearly based on horseshit. Flat Earth theory seems almost reasonable by comparison. Seems like a giant waste of time to me.
I’ve always found conspiracy theories and cults interesting, and I had started hearing more about Q during lock down (I think it was the mole-children under Central Park story that caught my attention). I found a podcast called QAnon Anonymous that I started following because it was funny and informative. Over time, I started gaining a better understanding of MAGA and the right-wing ecosystem by following them. Then, in the lead up to the 2020 election, it started becoming less funny and more newsworthy, and now it just seems important towards understanding how we ended up with a fascist government.
WTF, lmao. God damn it now I’m going to have to look that one up.
I honestly think it has less to do with anything conspiracy theory related and everything to do with good old fashioned racism, bigotry, and hypocrisy. The only thing that could be considered a conspiracy theory type deal that contributes is “somehow”* a large number of so-called Christians have been led to believe that the U.S. was founded on Christianity. Well that and that Jesus would somehow approve of denying people healthcare and housing, the prison industrial complex, and hating foreigners.
These things aren’t as disconnected as you might think. Conspiracy theories often create a permission structure for bigotry. The Protocols of the Elders of Zion made the internment and extermination of Jews in Nazi Germany acceptable. QAnon conspiracies about child trafficking are creating the same permission structure for the persecution of immigrants (there’s a reason Kilmar Abrego Garcia is facing trumped-up human trafficking charges now).
Conspiracy theorists are also often on the front-line of fascist movements, and following Q has kept me ahead of the curve on some of this stuff. While everyone was wondering who the hell the buffalo guy was on Jan 6, I was thinking, “Of course the QAnon Shaman is here.”
I just looked the “Mole Children” thing up and it’s almost as stupid as it sounds like. I guess it says something about the quality of their conspiracies when I was expecting actual half mole half human hybrids.
How do these Q idiots reconcile the fact that neither Fox News or Donald Trump has said a peep about the story? You and I both know that if he had led a rescue of 35k abused children he would NEVER shut the fuck up about it. Yet he never brought it up even in his rallies where people unaffiliated with the news could have recorded him saying it.
Well, like I said, it was easier when Q was active and there were a bunch of influencers crafting a narrative. If I remember right, the public Trump was mostly an act, while behind the scenes he was a more solemn man working with, “white hats,” to free children. That’s where all those memes about Trump’s, “sacrifice,” come from.
I’m not actually sure that would be fewer considering the number of them that treat him like the second coming of jesus. Which is absolutely hilarious, mind you. Tell me none of these people have ever even read the damn bible…
once MSMs stop reporting the magats will forget right away, or drump up another conspiracy, that they were silenced by the dems.
Or the most likely scenario, target the names other than Trump while in the same breath giving Trump a pass… Like they do with everything.
Yeah, that’s certainly what they’re doing with Bondi, and I’m sure they’ll find other people to attack. But Trump is starting to wade in himself; in a press conference the other day, when a reporter asked him about Epstien, he answered directly, saying something to the effect of, “Why are you still talking about this, who cares?” And the answer is, “his most loyal followers,” so we’ll see how it shakes out. If he can keep using surrogates to take the blame, he’ll probably be fine, but if he keeps commenting directly, he might be in trouble.
There will be a bit of whining from the more vocal faithful, as there always is, but I don’t think that this time is the time they’ll really turn against Trump when they’re already 11+ years brainwashed and have accepted and *‘art of the deal’*ed his backtracks and flip-flops so many dozens of times in the past.
It’s a cult and Trump is the cult leader. They won’t stick firm to their demand for the files, because the great orange one has told them that demand isn’t important anymore and is giving them new things to focus on. Epstein’s files aren’t core to their identity, but MAGA and Trump are - one will give.
Maybe. I think a problem they’ve been having since the collapse of the Q account is that there is no centralizing force to help craft narratives. In the past, when Trump would make an move incongruous with their conspiracy, Q could release a cryptic statement and a series of Q influencers would step in to turn it into a something that fit the plot. Now Q is gone, and Q influencers are in the White House, so there’s less cohesion behind a narrative and less excuses for why the, “deep state,” hasn’t been exposed. Conspiracy theories work best as an opposition movement, not a governing party.