It’s the top of the stairs because in the top left of thr image you can see the banister support. If the mattresses were at the bottom then the angle of that support would be different
And you can see the wear on the treads. plus the handrail mount in the top left would be at a very inconvenient height if we were looking from the bottom up
This is what gets me confused. If we’re at the top, I see the banister mount turning horizontal, not up. Up from that POV would be towards the viewer, but it’s angled away which would be horizontal. We have to be looking from the bottom for it to be turning up in this photo. I have no idea how hundreds of people look at that and say it’s turning up.
E: nevermind, the question asked where the mattress is, not where I am looking from. 🤣
I think it’s bottom too but I don’t agree with your reasoning, I’ve seen steps without that bit.
Edit: actually now I think top, I’ve been convinced by the daylight argument plus the realization that is a single mattress folded in half (I previously thought it’s two mattresses).
Edit: changed my mind again, made a top level comment
How does the single mattress in half bit make you think it’s at the top? If it were at the top, the force of the mattress trying to straighten itself out would push it down the stairs. Much more likely the mattress was pushed/ tossed/ fell down the stairs and got folded in that position, imo.
Edit: the shadows are also indicative of it being at the bottom: light source from above and and from the sides at the base of the stairs, either from an open door or window. Shadow cast from the door light source being cancelled by the light source from above the stairs.
Back when I thought it was two mattresses, I thought it couldn’t be at the top because the right mattress probably wouldn’t be held up like that. But since it’s one mattress, it can relatively easily be held at that angle with most of its weight resting on the step.
And that’s my main reason: it really seems like the mattress is being pushed towards that step, and I believe it’s being pushed by gravity. Doesn’t make as much sense for it to be pushed in that direction by someone.
I’m not married to it though, it’s a really tricky picture.
I’m not gonna lie, you’ve got me rethinking my position pointing out the right side of it. I do think though, that if it were at the top and resting on the one step, that the corner of the mattress resting on the step would be bowed in a bit more.
Well, my house has electricity and the stairs do not have that indentation at all. I could take a picture of the steps from the bottom or the top and aside from the wear marks on the treads, you can’t see a difference.
Well after the beginning of the age of home electrification, but I’m not sure precisely. I’m renting my current house.
I don’t think any of my stairs have had such an exaggerated ledge of the tread like the picture in this thread. In my previous house (owned, built in 2000 something) it just had a little bump nailed on to the edge, but it was symmetric on both the tread and riser.
3/4" min to 1-1/4" max is code, with a 9/16" nosing. No nose is doable, but with a min step depth of 11", generally youre not seeing that outside of commercial spaces (and typically concrete).
Not sure where you are (or if your stairs are even up to code), but that’s what they are referring to.
Hmm. Does that “nose” count if the riser is slanted? Maybe I’m just not seeing what I’m expecting, but there is space because the riser isn’t perfectly vertical, now that I’m looking.
its simply code where I live and my old home where I grew up was already old AF and had those risers and treads (albeit not as deep as they should have been, I always tripped)
Never lived in a house, only apartments with no stairs (inside the apartments) and this is obvious even to me. You can know something without ever having owned or lived with that thing.
bottom, as we only can see the treads not the risers (that small inset underneath a step).
It’s the top of the stairs because in the top left of thr image you can see the banister support. If the mattresses were at the bottom then the angle of that support would be different
Why is no one else talking about this.
There’s no debate. It’s at the top of the stairs.
when the mattress is at the top, where is gravity and on what is it resting?
It could be wedged.
You think a folded in half mattress could get stuck in a stairwell? You might be on to something!
I think it might actually be held up by the other end of that banister.
And you can see the wear on the treads. plus the handrail mount in the top left would be at a very inconvenient height if we were looking from the bottom up
It’s at the top, I have that same bannister mount, it points upwards to the banister.
The mattress is wedged at the top of the stairs thanks to its extreme springiness.
This is what gets me confused. If we’re at the top, I see the banister mount turning horizontal, not up. Up from that POV would be towards the viewer, but it’s angled away which would be horizontal. We have to be looking from the bottom for it to be turning up in this photo. I have no idea how hundreds of people look at that and say it’s turning up.E: nevermind, the question asked where the mattress is, not where I am looking from. 🤣
The handrail argument doesn’t make any sense. It would be at the same height regardless of direction.
Also, the handrail mount is sideways if we’re looking down; if we’re looking up, it makes sense.
Maybe it is a light fixture.
I think it’s bottom too but I don’t agree with your reasoning, I’ve seen steps without that bit.
Edit: actually now I think top, I’ve been convinced by the daylight argument plus the realization that is a single mattress folded in half (I previously thought it’s two mattresses).
Edit: changed my mind again, made a top level comment
How does the single mattress in half bit make you think it’s at the top? If it were at the top, the force of the mattress trying to straighten itself out would push it down the stairs. Much more likely the mattress was pushed/ tossed/ fell down the stairs and got folded in that position, imo.
Edit: the shadows are also indicative of it being at the bottom: light source from above and and from the sides at the base of the stairs, either from an open door or window. Shadow cast from the door light source being cancelled by the light source from above the stairs.
Back when I thought it was two mattresses, I thought it couldn’t be at the top because the right mattress probably wouldn’t be held up like that. But since it’s one mattress, it can relatively easily be held at that angle with most of its weight resting on the step.
And that’s my main reason: it really seems like the mattress is being pushed towards that step, and I believe it’s being pushed by gravity. Doesn’t make as much sense for it to be pushed in that direction by someone.
I’m not married to it though, it’s a really tricky picture.
I’m not gonna lie, you’ve got me rethinking my position pointing out the right side of it. I do think though, that if it were at the top and resting on the one step, that the corner of the mattress resting on the step would be bowed in a bit more.
It is quite tricky.
Yeah. I’ve now found a reason that makes me convinced the mattress is at the bottom. I made a top level comment about it.
agreed
That’s what I was thinking too
You live in fancy houses!
I mean, it’s code for anything built during the age of home electricity.
Well, my house has electricity and the stairs do not have that indentation at all. I could take a picture of the steps from the bottom or the top and aside from the wear marks on the treads, you can’t see a difference.
When was your home built?
Well after the beginning of the age of home electrification, but I’m not sure precisely. I’m renting my current house.
I don’t think any of my stairs have had such an exaggerated ledge of the tread like the picture in this thread. In my previous house (owned, built in 2000 something) it just had a little bump nailed on to the edge, but it was symmetric on both the tread and riser.
3/4" min to 1-1/4" max is code, with a 9/16" nosing. No nose is doable, but with a min step depth of 11", generally youre not seeing that outside of commercial spaces (and typically concrete).
Not sure where you are (or if your stairs are even up to code), but that’s what they are referring to.
Hmm. Does that “nose” count if the riser is slanted? Maybe I’m just not seeing what I’m expecting, but there is space because the riser isn’t perfectly vertical, now that I’m looking.
its simply code where I live and my old home where I grew up was already old AF and had those risers and treads (albeit not as deep as they should have been, I always tripped)
Never lived in a house, only apartments with no stairs (inside the apartments) and this is obvious even to me. You can know something without ever having owned or lived with that thing.
Some stairs don’t have different looking risers, but you’re still correct because you can see wear marks from steps on the carpet.