You can hate al you want but if you follow that line of thought paintings are just ‘painted images’ and photo’s are just ‘photographed images’. There is a lot of paintings that have 0 artistic value (like when done by children) and photographs that have 0 artistic value (like pictures of holidays and vacations etc). There being a lot of AI with 0 artistic value doesn’t mean there can’t be such a thing as AI Art.
Generated images in themselves cannot be art. Generated images could be used to create art, and I would say that falls into what you call “AI art”, but it would be still better described as “generated art.”
ai generated art didn’t create itself. someone typed in text and uploaded an image that they wanted manipulated. Movie directors only give instructions to actors. They don’t create the sets/costumes. They don’t write the words. They only give instructions and they get awards for being artists.
That is a fundamentally incorrect interpretation of what a director does. Though, I see what you’re trying to say with that exceedingly off-the-mark analogy. That just had to be said.
Ultimately, due to how subjective the idea of art is there’s nothing I can say to convince you that this perspective is wrong. As long as people want something to be considered art, they will find a way to craft an interpretation that makes it work.
Just as I was able to take your meaning with your analogy and not dismiss it because it’s so incorrect, I expect you and others to understand the meaning of art being “created.” Instead you decided to leverage the broader concept of what is created in order to manipulate the idea to encompass generated images. I don’t think this discussion could possibly turn out as anything but a frustrating and negative experience, so I will step away from it. Suffice it to say that we will simply always disagree on this subject.
That is a fundamentally incorrect interpretation of what a director does.
Then explain where my analogy fails.
Ultimately, due to how subjective the idea of art is there’s nothing I can say to convince you that this perspective is wrong.
You can change my mind by explaining how a director is different than what I’ve seen in hundreds of behind the scenes commentaries and documentaries on movie creation. To be more specific, some directors are also writers, storyboarders or cinematographers. But those are additional jobs that not all directors do.
Words matter. For example, calling an LLM “AI” has incorrectly shaped people’s perception of its abilities. This is a core aspect of marketing for this reason, and the choice to call it “AI” was specifically to take advantage of how much word choice matters in shaping perception.
Yeah yeah. The definition of AI has now fundamentally changed. Notice that I never said an LLM is not a form or subset of AI at all. The term “AI” has a much broader scope than an LLM and because of that people think it can do more than it is capable. An LLM cannot reason—it just predicts the next most likely word to follow with some additional weights as a loose guideline.
Posting only a link to a wikipedia page is obnoxious. You’re not even bothering to explain how you think it’s relevant. In this case that would be particularly important since the “AI effect” you linked has nothing to do with what I said.
Are you too lazy to even explain, are incapable of explaining, or are you just regurgitating whatever you can find in an attempt to overwhelm with low-effort “arguments”? (This is rhetorical. Please just go away, since you’re clearly only here with bad faith.)
The definition of AI has now fundamentally changed.
“The AI effect” refers to a phenomenon where either the definition of AI or the concept of intelligence is adjusted to exclude capabilities that AI systems have mastered.
not to be shitty and/or pessimistic but i sincerely doubt they will even reflect on your exchange at all, let alone enough to learn anything.
idc anymore bro fuck the haters there’s absolutely nothing special about human sentience it’s just an emergent field behavior that a wide range of information systems can replicate and even emulate outright. there’s this awful idea the rabidly “anti-AI” crowd has that places humans in a higher position on the cosmological order than we actually occupy in reality. it genuinely pisses me off because it’s so boneheadedly arrogant.
Lazy and wrong. You are intentionally misinterpreting what I said and conveniently disregarding other things I said that contradict your incorrect use. You’re simply trying to disingenuously undermine my points rather than have a good faith discussion.
I would only agree that people who are ignorant or willfully ignorant will not care, but that does not give any strength to their argument. It just acknowledges mass ignorance.
Calling it “AI Art” gives it too much credence. They are generated images. Nothing more.
You can hate al you want but if you follow that line of thought paintings are just ‘painted images’ and photo’s are just ‘photographed images’. There is a lot of paintings that have 0 artistic value (like when done by children) and photographs that have 0 artistic value (like pictures of holidays and vacations etc). There being a lot of AI with 0 artistic value doesn’t mean there can’t be such a thing as AI Art.
Generated images in themselves cannot be art. Generated images could be used to create art, and I would say that falls into what you call “AI art”, but it would be still better described as “generated art.”
ai generated art didn’t create itself. someone typed in text and uploaded an image that they wanted manipulated. Movie directors only give instructions to actors. They don’t create the sets/costumes. They don’t write the words. They only give instructions and they get awards for being artists.
That is a fundamentally incorrect interpretation of what a director does. Though, I see what you’re trying to say with that exceedingly off-the-mark analogy. That just had to be said.
Ultimately, due to how subjective the idea of art is there’s nothing I can say to convince you that this perspective is wrong. As long as people want something to be considered art, they will find a way to craft an interpretation that makes it work.
Just as I was able to take your meaning with your analogy and not dismiss it because it’s so incorrect, I expect you and others to understand the meaning of art being “created.” Instead you decided to leverage the broader concept of what is created in order to manipulate the idea to encompass generated images. I don’t think this discussion could possibly turn out as anything but a frustrating and negative experience, so I will step away from it. Suffice it to say that we will simply always disagree on this subject.
Then explain where my analogy fails.
You can change my mind by explaining how a director is different than what I’ve seen in hundreds of behind the scenes commentaries and documentaries on movie creation. To be more specific, some directors are also writers, storyboarders or cinematographers. But those are additional jobs that not all directors do.
You need to explain why it is incorrect.
It’s a pointless waste of time to make the distinction.
It’s not.
Words matter. For example, calling an LLM “AI” has incorrectly shaped people’s perception of its abilities. This is a core aspect of marketing for this reason, and the choice to call it “AI” was specifically to take advantage of how much word choice matters in shaping perception.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_intelligence
Yeah yeah. The definition of AI has now fundamentally changed. Notice that I never said an LLM is not a form or subset of AI at all. The term “AI” has a much broader scope than an LLM and because of that people think it can do more than it is capable. An LLM cannot reason—it just predicts the next most likely word to follow with some additional weights as a loose guideline.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_effect
Posting only a link to a wikipedia page is obnoxious. You’re not even bothering to explain how you think it’s relevant. In this case that would be particularly important since the “AI effect” you linked has nothing to do with what I said.
Are you too lazy to even explain, are incapable of explaining, or are you just regurgitating whatever you can find in an attempt to overwhelm with low-effort “arguments”? (This is rhetorical. Please just go away, since you’re clearly only here with bad faith.)
these sorts of people don’t care lmao.
not to be shitty and/or pessimistic but i sincerely doubt they will even reflect on your exchange at all, let alone enough to learn anything.
idc anymore bro fuck the haters there’s absolutely nothing special about human sentience it’s just an emergent field behavior that a wide range of information systems can replicate and even emulate outright. there’s this awful idea the rabidly “anti-AI” crowd has that places humans in a higher position on the cosmological order than we actually occupy in reality. it genuinely pisses me off because it’s so boneheadedly arrogant.
Lazy and wrong. You are intentionally misinterpreting what I said and conveniently disregarding other things I said that contradict your incorrect use. You’re simply trying to disingenuously undermine my points rather than have a good faith discussion.
I already asked, please go away.
You both are right. You’re right because it’s important. They’re right because no one gives a shit.
I would only agree that people who are ignorant or willfully ignorant will not care, but that does not give any strength to their argument. It just acknowledges mass ignorance.
Many of us know this. It’s not new. Change what you can, learn to accept or ignore what you can’t
Video games have been calling computer opponents AI for years and no one bothered to complain that those aren’t actually intelligent.
No one expects the AI in warcraft 3 to be able to solve all the world’s problems, so I don’t know why this suddenly became different.
I don’t understand your examples, nobody is saying these AI generated images aren’t AI
some would argue even less
Less generated, or less images?
Less are.
Depends entirely on your definition of art.
To me, art is “playing with your senses”. The way a painting plays with your vision. Music plays with your hearing. Food plays with your taste. …
And in that sense, a generated image is art. Especially if it evokes emotions like hate for being AI generated.
Regardless of definition, art requires an intention. You cannot find art in the wild, it has to be created.
There’s intention in a prompt. Death of the Author makes the case for valuing interpretation over intention anyway.