So was Obama, who led us directly to Trump. At some point, Democrats have to actually stand for something more than mere competence and being the lesser evil.
Let’s just put our heads in the sand and pretend that Democrats didn’t lose the entire fucking country. They did everything right, it’s just dumb luck.
It’s not even just the federal government. Not only did Obama lose the House and the Senate, he also lost the Democrats over a thousand statewide seats. At some point there has to be a come to Jesus moment. If things haven’t gotten bad enough now, what will it take?
Lolwut. You’re blaming Obama for what, being a black guy that made fun of Trump at a dinner? Feel free to blame the DNC or Biden for dropping out too late, or whatever. But Obama?
I don’t give a shit about Obama being black. We elected a black president so apparently we were ready for it, and that’s great. I blame Obama for selling us out to Wall Street on multiple occasions. I blame him for perfecting Clinton’s triangulation politics that replaces substance with flowery rhetoric. I blame Obama for redirecting funds traditionally used for congressional races to his own campaign chests, then blaming the Republican Congress when he couldn’t get anything done. Should I go on?
Really nothing. It has to do with fascism. Neoliberalism is losing to it all around the globe. Only Brazil and Mexico are bucking the trend, and they elected leftists.
I might be reaching, but I don’t think that was the point of their comment. A problem with the democratic party is that they’re such a big tent party that it’s hard to say what their platform and what their strategy is. They seem to only be successful when they have someone like a Bill Clinton or a Barack Obama. Someone that oozes charisma and can present a unified vision. The problem is, that never becomes the party’s vision.
You act like biden had no policy but stood on many issues. Even if we just look at the policy he passed he stood for a lot. If we expand to the policy he tried to pass he stood for even more.
He had real solutions to the problems, they were boring and bureaucratic but thats whats required. Putting a freeze on rent isnt going to fix house prices or cost of living. Only investment will fix that.
Americans have had 50 years of “progress” where all the great things Democrats say they do don’t seem to help. Technocratic improvements and even material improvements don’t even register with people anymore. Voters (regardless of what they might say) want transformative change. Forgiving some student loans is good, but free college is transformative.
Republicans offer transformative change. In the absence of anything on offer from the Democrats, the culture moves right. 50 years later and here we are.
Really? I think you might be the only one that doesn’t see the decline. I’ve been making these points for years, and I’ve never had to defend the notion that things have gotten worse for workers. Sure, there are specific things tht have improved, but not the whole. Even a lot of the big improvements like the ACA have made the economic picture worse overall.
Union membership in 1975 was around 25% compared to 10% today. Wealth inequality has absolutely exploded, as has the percentage of Americans living paycheck to paycheck. Personal debt has also exploded. People used to borrow to buy a house. Then they started borrowing to buy a car. Then they started paying for college with debt. Now people are financing their groceries.
By every relevant measure, economic outlooks for everyone but the wealthy have crashed in the past 50 years, and Democratic solutions have done dick to stop it. In many cases it was even Democrats making things worse.
Even if there were a magic politician who did everything right, people would still saying “oh things feels worse because x y and z stats have declined”. Things can decline and progress at the same time. The average american has access to far more luxury than ever before. Some things have gotten worse, of course no one would deny that but I think on average things have improved and if we were talking about this pre covid i’d probably be extremely optimistic.
If this is all you took from Biden’s legislatively successful presidency, you’re part of the problem in America. The guy was progressive as fuck compared to most presidents.
Pete isnt a low standard. Hes would be a good candidate in pretty much any country.
So was Obama, who led us directly to Trump. At some point, Democrats have to actually stand for something more than mere competence and being the lesser evil.
You should just throw a Blame Obama party. You’ll meet a lot of other annoying people like yourself and make new friends.
Let’s just put our heads in the sand and pretend that Democrats didn’t lose the entire fucking country. They did everything right, it’s just dumb luck.
It’s not even just the federal government. Not only did Obama lose the House and the Senate, he also lost the Democrats over a thousand statewide seats. At some point there has to be a come to Jesus moment. If things haven’t gotten bad enough now, what will it take?
Lolwut. You’re blaming Obama for what, being a black guy that made fun of Trump at a dinner? Feel free to blame the DNC or Biden for dropping out too late, or whatever. But Obama?
I don’t give a shit about Obama being black. We elected a black president so apparently we were ready for it, and that’s great. I blame Obama for selling us out to Wall Street on multiple occasions. I blame him for perfecting Clinton’s triangulation politics that replaces substance with flowery rhetoric. I blame Obama for redirecting funds traditionally used for congressional races to his own campaign chests, then blaming the Republican Congress when he couldn’t get anything done. Should I go on?
What’s this have to do with Trump
Really nothing. It has to do with fascism. Neoliberalism is losing to it all around the globe. Only Brazil and Mexico are bucking the trend, and they elected leftists.
I might be reaching, but I don’t think that was the point of their comment. A problem with the democratic party is that they’re such a big tent party that it’s hard to say what their platform and what their strategy is. They seem to only be successful when they have someone like a Bill Clinton or a Barack Obama. Someone that oozes charisma and can present a unified vision. The problem is, that never becomes the party’s vision.
You act like biden had no policy but stood on many issues. Even if we just look at the policy he passed he stood for a lot. If we expand to the policy he tried to pass he stood for even more.
He had real solutions to the problems, they were boring and bureaucratic but thats whats required. Putting a freeze on rent isnt going to fix house prices or cost of living. Only investment will fix that.
Americans have had 50 years of “progress” where all the great things Democrats say they do don’t seem to help. Technocratic improvements and even material improvements don’t even register with people anymore. Voters (regardless of what they might say) want transformative change. Forgiving some student loans is good, but free college is transformative.
Republicans offer transformative change. In the absence of anything on offer from the Democrats, the culture moves right. 50 years later and here we are.
Seriously, you think there has been no progress over the past 50 years? Theres a million things i could point to that suggest otherwise.
Really? I think you might be the only one that doesn’t see the decline. I’ve been making these points for years, and I’ve never had to defend the notion that things have gotten worse for workers. Sure, there are specific things tht have improved, but not the whole. Even a lot of the big improvements like the ACA have made the economic picture worse overall.
Union membership in 1975 was around 25% compared to 10% today. Wealth inequality has absolutely exploded, as has the percentage of Americans living paycheck to paycheck. Personal debt has also exploded. People used to borrow to buy a house. Then they started borrowing to buy a car. Then they started paying for college with debt. Now people are financing their groceries.
By every relevant measure, economic outlooks for everyone but the wealthy have crashed in the past 50 years, and Democratic solutions have done dick to stop it. In many cases it was even Democrats making things worse.
Even if there were a magic politician who did everything right, people would still saying “oh things feels worse because x y and z stats have declined”. Things can decline and progress at the same time. The average american has access to far more luxury than ever before. Some things have gotten worse, of course no one would deny that but I think on average things have improved and if we were talking about this pre covid i’d probably be extremely optimistic.
Oh he definitely stood for things: austerity, cracking down on immigrants, and genocide
If this is all you took from Biden’s legislatively successful presidency, you’re part of the problem in America. The guy was progressive as fuck compared to most presidents.
“Hitler made the trains run on time! He was actually very progressive!”
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