… This entire comment chain was literally because someone said “The DM should know all their players stats”. I’m making the argument that is nonsensical, as well as your addition. That is all. I never said that anyone was forcing me either. Kind of a weird thing to say, to be honest.
I’m saying that if the DC is beyond the ability of a particular character, tell them that they have no chance of success, even on a crit, so rolling is pointless.
And remove a chance for roleplay or funnyness from my players? Yeah, no thanks. I’ve seen plenty of hilarious moments, and been part of some myself, from people failing to do a thing because they just simply couldn’t. Besides, a character might still want to do it anyway regardless of whether or not they succeed. Then there are the people like myself who abhor that because it breaks immersion for me to have a DM say “You can’t do this, don’t even try”. I’m not missing the point. I just hate the idea of a DM blatantly telling me “You are not good enough to do this thing” when the entire concept is fantasy and being able to try that I dismissed it as an option. I should have said it leaves you with three options, the third being blatantly telling a player that they will be incapable of succeeding.
I’m making the argument that is nonsensical, as well as your addition.
I disagree. I’ve been doing it for years and not only is it trivially simple, it’s extremely useful. I can’t think of a single reason not to have a sheet with base stats, perception, and saves.
And remove a chance for roleplay or funnyness from my players?
Nobody said you can’t do the funny thing. They’re always free to try, but if the roll cannot possibly affect the situation, there shouldn’t be a roll. Just roleplay the failure. Do you let your players roll for abjectly impossible things, like jumping to the moon?
You’re now just being argumentative and facetious. You’re taking what I’m saying out of context, outright ignoring certain parts and forcing it to fit your own narrative. You’re disingenuous.
Nothing can come from this and I don’t have the energy for it. Goodbye.
Nope, still the same argument, still valid. Argumentative would be if I called something nonsensical, and then doubled down and acted like an asshole when someone took the time out of their day to explain why it isn’t. You don’t have to do it, but there are legitimate reasons.
… This entire comment chain was literally because someone said “The DM should know all their players stats”. I’m making the argument that is nonsensical, as well as your addition. That is all. I never said that anyone was forcing me either. Kind of a weird thing to say, to be honest.
And remove a chance for roleplay or funnyness from my players? Yeah, no thanks. I’ve seen plenty of hilarious moments, and been part of some myself, from people failing to do a thing because they just simply couldn’t. Besides, a character might still want to do it anyway regardless of whether or not they succeed. Then there are the people like myself who abhor that because it breaks immersion for me to have a DM say “You can’t do this, don’t even try”. I’m not missing the point. I just hate the idea of a DM blatantly telling me “You are not good enough to do this thing” when the entire concept is fantasy and being able to try that I dismissed it as an option. I should have said it leaves you with three options, the third being blatantly telling a player that they will be incapable of succeeding.
I stand by everything I said.
I disagree. I’ve been doing it for years and not only is it trivially simple, it’s extremely useful. I can’t think of a single reason not to have a sheet with base stats, perception, and saves.
Nobody said you can’t do the funny thing. They’re always free to try, but if the roll cannot possibly affect the situation, there shouldn’t be a roll. Just roleplay the failure. Do you let your players roll for abjectly impossible things, like jumping to the moon?
You’re now just being argumentative and facetious. You’re taking what I’m saying out of context, outright ignoring certain parts and forcing it to fit your own narrative. You’re disingenuous.
Nothing can come from this and I don’t have the energy for it. Goodbye.
Nope, still the same argument, still valid. Argumentative would be if I called something nonsensical, and then doubled down and acted like an asshole when someone took the time out of their day to explain why it isn’t. You don’t have to do it, but there are legitimate reasons.