I actually studied this era and movement at the masters level and wrote papers related to the topic. Lol.
Im not shitting on MLK as much as I am quoting Malcolm X. Everyone (not you, just generally speaking) always acts like black people are a monolith and always agree about who is a good guy or that to be black and disagree with the DNC or MLK makes you an republican or an uncle tom and thats it. There are actually critiques of MLK and DNC from the far left too.
I feel like it was interesting that this perspective was completely lost to history. If it means people think im an idiot but learn more about what actually happened thats fine me.
Theeeeere it is lmao. Starting from MLK was a creative and interesting choice, sort of a new spin on “this leftist person you like is actually BAD because he’s WORKING FOR THE MAN and as a good leftist I don’t think we should support him.” I certainly have seen that one, but not about a political figure that’s been dead for over 60 years.
In any case I think we’re done here. At least it explains why you follow closely with the pattern of:
Saying one thing and kind of sticking with it, not really varying or responding no matter what anyone says, just repetitiously talking about your thing
Explaining what a lot of people who disagree with you believe (“all black people are the same or at least have the same opinions”) by way of (a) making them sound stupid by putting stupid views in their mouths (b) redirecting away from what they’re actually saying to you about what they believe / why they might disagree with you about your wild one thing that you’re saying
Tying it back to the Democrats, and specifically why “a lot of people” have these important critiques of them
Like I say… we’re done here. Have fun with your engagement on Lemmy. I hope you find some people who really take you super super seriously and listen closely to what you are sharing with them, to help inform them fully about this urgent point of view they need to understand.
Wow that’s a creative take on my thoughts. I just hadn’t got to talk to anyone normal about this and didn’t realize it work be taken that way. So my apologies I guess. Didn’t mean to tar your hero or anything. I guess thats definitely one logical way to read that though. I can’t fault you for reaching that conclusion.
Wait until I find out he cheated on his wife. My fucking head will probably explode. Don’t tell me, though, I’m super simple minded when I look at figures I admire in history.
I also love hyperbole. I hope you don’t really think im saying you are simple minded or anything. I just wanted to have a conversation online, but forgot how difficult it was. Just speaking of my general experiences, im not saying all dems or all white people or anything.
In my mind, I don’t care about MLK or Malcolm X. I mean they are both fine, whatever… I don’t not care about them either. Its more about their ideas. In my mind, figuring out why the civil rights bill passed when it did is a very important question with implications about the proper means of political activism in modern day America. As in what was the immediate precursor, what was the “tipping point.”
The narrative I was told growing up and in school simply didnt align with the series of events Malcolm described. I assumed other people might find that interesting too, but instead I think I remembered why I don’t engage online.
You are the only one who gave a reasonable reply that showed you actually somewhat read it. But I guess I don’t really know how to succinctly say and get to that point so I pissed you off too. So my bad. Ill stop before I make it worse and go back to my corner before I was screenshotted and shared in this community.
Dude, you can’t post up something pretending that MLK was “worried more about fundraising than anything else” and basically a tool for the white man to derail the movement, and then get all surprised when the reaction is negative, even if you then walk it back to “oh I just thought it was an interesting perspective they didn’t teach me in school.” Continuously pivoting back to people calling you out on it not being “reasonable” or being mean to your innocent discourse isn’t really doing you any favors there either.
In my mind, figuring out why the civil rights bill passed when it did is a very important question with implications about the proper means of political activism in modern day America.
Indeed it is. With the political discourse climate as it is in modern-day American, I think part of the proper means that are necessary is to vigorously push back on shifty little narratives when they start trying to worm their way into the conversation. A lot of this stuff is (very effectively) spreading around and inserting dishonest little narratives to undermine support for leftist figures.
There are also some extremely instructive lessons to be drawn from the civil rights movement, of course, on that I’ll agree completely. But if your take on MLK was that he was a tool of the white man that held the movement back more than anything, I don’t think you’re qualified to be able to weigh in on that side of it.
I actually studied this era and movement at the masters level and wrote papers related to the topic. Lol.
Im not shitting on MLK as much as I am quoting Malcolm X. Everyone (not you, just generally speaking) always acts like black people are a monolith and always agree about who is a good guy or that to be black and disagree with the DNC or MLK makes you an republican or an uncle tom and thats it. There are actually critiques of MLK and DNC from the far left too.
I feel like it was interesting that this perspective was completely lost to history. If it means people think im an idiot but learn more about what actually happened thats fine me.
Theeeeere it is lmao. Starting from MLK was a creative and interesting choice, sort of a new spin on “this leftist person you like is actually BAD because he’s WORKING FOR THE MAN and as a good leftist I don’t think we should support him.” I certainly have seen that one, but not about a political figure that’s been dead for over 60 years.
In any case I think we’re done here. At least it explains why you follow closely with the pattern of:
Like I say… we’re done here. Have fun with your engagement on Lemmy. I hope you find some people who really take you super super seriously and listen closely to what you are sharing with them, to help inform them fully about this urgent point of view they need to understand.
Wow that’s a creative take on my thoughts. I just hadn’t got to talk to anyone normal about this and didn’t realize it work be taken that way. So my apologies I guess. Didn’t mean to tar your hero or anything. I guess thats definitely one logical way to read that though. I can’t fault you for reaching that conclusion.
Thanks engaging with me, genuinely.
Wait until I find out he cheated on his wife. My fucking head will probably explode. Don’t tell me, though, I’m super simple minded when I look at figures I admire in history.
I also love hyperbole. I hope you don’t really think im saying you are simple minded or anything. I just wanted to have a conversation online, but forgot how difficult it was. Just speaking of my general experiences, im not saying all dems or all white people or anything.
In my mind, I don’t care about MLK or Malcolm X. I mean they are both fine, whatever… I don’t not care about them either. Its more about their ideas. In my mind, figuring out why the civil rights bill passed when it did is a very important question with implications about the proper means of political activism in modern day America. As in what was the immediate precursor, what was the “tipping point.”
The narrative I was told growing up and in school simply didnt align with the series of events Malcolm described. I assumed other people might find that interesting too, but instead I think I remembered why I don’t engage online.
You are the only one who gave a reasonable reply that showed you actually somewhat read it. But I guess I don’t really know how to succinctly say and get to that point so I pissed you off too. So my bad. Ill stop before I make it worse and go back to my corner before I was screenshotted and shared in this community.
Dude, you can’t post up something pretending that MLK was “worried more about fundraising than anything else” and basically a tool for the white man to derail the movement, and then get all surprised when the reaction is negative, even if you then walk it back to “oh I just thought it was an interesting perspective they didn’t teach me in school.” Continuously pivoting back to people calling you out on it not being “reasonable” or being mean to your innocent discourse isn’t really doing you any favors there either.
Indeed it is. With the political discourse climate as it is in modern-day American, I think part of the proper means that are necessary is to vigorously push back on shifty little narratives when they start trying to worm their way into the conversation. A lot of this stuff is (very effectively) spreading around and inserting dishonest little narratives to undermine support for leftist figures.
There are also some extremely instructive lessons to be drawn from the civil rights movement, of course, on that I’ll agree completely. But if your take on MLK was that he was a tool of the white man that held the movement back more than anything, I don’t think you’re qualified to be able to weigh in on that side of it.
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