Flipping burgers is real work.
Construction is real work.
Writing code is real work.
Growing pot is real work.
Sitting in meetings all day is real work.
Professional sports is real work.
Having sex for money is real work.
Unclogging toilets is real work.
Streaming is real work (nude or clothed).
If it pays the bills and isn’t harmful then it is real work.
Dude I never said anything like that. Sexuality is wonderful and a fantastic part of a relationship. Nothing wrong with it as the Song of Solomon and my marriage would attest. But we’re not talking about ‘sexuality’ we’re talking about people USING other people for their own lustful desire. Which is NOT wonderful. There is nothing good or right about a financial transaction so you can use someone else to get your rocks off - its not love, its not compassionate, its not empathetic, its just plain lustful selfishness. And therein lies the harm. You cant do that to another person and not harm them.
Something isn’t harmful simply because it doesn’t align with your own arbitrary personal morality. Do you know what is harmful? Projecting or forcing your own hypocritical biases and arbitrary personal morality onto others.
Where do you get ‘hypocritical’ and ‘arbitrary’ out of what I said? And where am I ‘forcing’ anyone to do anything? Im stating my views based on years of experience working with street workers and long experience on this earth.
I would argue just that. Its acting and there’s a demand for that job so yeah. And its definitely not easy that anyone can do it. Plus it takes preparation and they do known each other and have to pass their STD check.
Real “acting” doesnt involve exposing yourself to someone for money and then doing the most intimate thing two people can do so that ONE person can gratify themself and the other can be used. Ive talked to a sex worker who was 18 and she grew up being abused by her father and her uncle. Her comment was, “people are going to fuck me anyway, I may as well get paid for it” Does that sound like someone who is happy to be in sex work? Or just an victim of abuse who has given up on trying to protect herself.
sleep with this fat old ugly man who will possibly beat you or kill you or impregnate you or do deranged sadistic things to you-- or work in this assembly line making iphones! Gee what a equivalent choice! So the same!
Sex work done right people get to say no and it’s safe. Meanwhile people who have to lift heavy stuff all day every day have their knees destroyed by 30. Yeah, not the same at all. One you destroy your body selling yourself to the company.
Yes, sex work done wrong can be harmful and dangerous, but the same is true for all work. People used to lose limbs constantly working in factories because protections weren’t forced on them. We recognized they were being abused by the system and passed laws to protect the workers. We need the same thing for sex work. Since it doesn’t exist in the US, yeah it’s normally pretty bad for people. Porn stars seem to be fine (though they’re often around people who abuse drugs and they can get into that, especially since most start young, but this can happen anywhere). Prostitutes are doing illegal work though and are scared to go to the police usually. They’re also frequently not doing it totally on their own and may not have the ability to say no. That has to change. People likd you saying that it’s bad, wrong, whatever ensure it doesn’t change to become safe.
Sex work done right people get to say no and it’s safe.
oh on that we can agree on. What i’m saying is I’d rather lose a limb in a factory than be forced to have sex with someone like, say, is attracted to children. Or someone who’s kink involves violence, or someone who has politically caused genocide. etc.
Love is love, I don’t think people should be deprived of it, I don’t think people who want to involve themselves in ‘work’ that involves that shouldn’t do it. but lets call a spade a spade. prostitution I believe (like you) should exist but in the safest of circumstances, like the client needs to be vetted etc. There needs to be a balance, just like factory work.
Yes, it needs to be safe, legal, and regulated. Work is work, and sex work is work, and all work needs regulation to prevent exploitation of and harm to workers. Again, we sell the long-term health of our bodies to companies for money all the time and no one has an issue with that. Sex work doesn’t (innately) cause long-term harm, or at least not anymore than any other kind of work.
It shouldn’t be illegal, and that’s where a lot of the danger is created around it. Prudish people who mix up sex and love pass laws to make it illegal though, and end up manufacturing hazerdous situations, because they think sex workers should be endangered.
agreed, and also I think ‘slap chop’ guy from those infomercial ads influenced my opinion on this way long ago which is hilarious but also sort of depressing.
but yes, i agree we give our bodies to our jobs I just only allow mine to stay above the waist-line. (not that theres anything wrong with the opposite)
Are you really arguing that putting in a hard days work in a factory is the SAME as having sex with strangers for money? REALLY?
Sex work, whatever form it takes, is real work.
Flipping burgers is real work.
Construction is real work.
Writing code is real work.
Growing pot is real work.
Sitting in meetings all day is real work.
Professional sports is real work.
Having sex for money is real work.
Unclogging toilets is real work.
Streaming is real work (nude or clothed).
If it pays the bills and isn’t harmful then it is real work.
“working against the existence of trans people is real work! especially when your wife is a literal prostitute!” is not a winning argument, my guy.
“banning books that say things I don’t like is not a winning argument, my guy”
“banning an entire religion while you hold a bible upside down after assaulting peaceful protesters isnt a winning argument my guy”
“starting an ‘academy/casino/business’ that fails and professing your prowess in money making isnt a winning argument my guy”
And there’s the problem.
My sibling in Christ, implying that “sexuality is harmful” is one hell of a self-own.
Dude I never said anything like that. Sexuality is wonderful and a fantastic part of a relationship. Nothing wrong with it as the Song of Solomon and my marriage would attest. But we’re not talking about ‘sexuality’ we’re talking about people USING other people for their own lustful desire. Which is NOT wonderful. There is nothing good or right about a financial transaction so you can use someone else to get your rocks off - its not love, its not compassionate, its not empathetic, its just plain lustful selfishness. And therein lies the harm. You cant do that to another person and not harm them.
Something isn’t harmful simply because it doesn’t align with your own arbitrary personal morality. Do you know what is harmful? Projecting or forcing your own hypocritical biases and arbitrary personal morality onto others.
Where do you get ‘hypocritical’ and ‘arbitrary’ out of what I said? And where am I ‘forcing’ anyone to do anything? Im stating my views based on years of experience working with street workers and long experience on this earth.
I would argue just that. Its acting and there’s a demand for that job so yeah. And its definitely not easy that anyone can do it. Plus it takes preparation and they do known each other and have to pass their STD check.
Real “acting” doesnt involve exposing yourself to someone for money and then doing the most intimate thing two people can do so that ONE person can gratify themself and the other can be used. Ive talked to a sex worker who was 18 and she grew up being abused by her father and her uncle. Her comment was, “people are going to fuck me anyway, I may as well get paid for it” Does that sound like someone who is happy to be in sex work? Or just an victim of abuse who has given up on trying to protect herself.
See my other comment below. I’m talking about porn. Prostitution on the other hand can be made safer but its currently not.
No. A hard days work at the factory is much more damaging.
sleep with this fat old ugly man who will possibly beat you or kill you or impregnate you or do deranged sadistic things to you-- or work in this assembly line making iphones! Gee what a equivalent choice! So the same!
Sex work done right people get to say no and it’s safe. Meanwhile people who have to lift heavy stuff all day every day have their knees destroyed by 30. Yeah, not the same at all. One you destroy your body selling yourself to the company.
Yes, sex work done wrong can be harmful and dangerous, but the same is true for all work. People used to lose limbs constantly working in factories because protections weren’t forced on them. We recognized they were being abused by the system and passed laws to protect the workers. We need the same thing for sex work. Since it doesn’t exist in the US, yeah it’s normally pretty bad for people. Porn stars seem to be fine (though they’re often around people who abuse drugs and they can get into that, especially since most start young, but this can happen anywhere). Prostitutes are doing illegal work though and are scared to go to the police usually. They’re also frequently not doing it totally on their own and may not have the ability to say no. That has to change. People likd you saying that it’s bad, wrong, whatever ensure it doesn’t change to become safe.
oh on that we can agree on. What i’m saying is I’d rather lose a limb in a factory than be forced to have sex with someone like, say, is attracted to children. Or someone who’s kink involves violence, or someone who has politically caused genocide. etc.
Love is love, I don’t think people should be deprived of it, I don’t think people who want to involve themselves in ‘work’ that involves that shouldn’t do it. but lets call a spade a spade. prostitution I believe (like you) should exist but in the safest of circumstances, like the client needs to be vetted etc. There needs to be a balance, just like factory work.
Yes, it needs to be safe, legal, and regulated. Work is work, and sex work is work, and all work needs regulation to prevent exploitation of and harm to workers. Again, we sell the long-term health of our bodies to companies for money all the time and no one has an issue with that. Sex work doesn’t (innately) cause long-term harm, or at least not anymore than any other kind of work.
It shouldn’t be illegal, and that’s where a lot of the danger is created around it. Prudish people who mix up sex and love pass laws to make it illegal though, and end up manufacturing hazerdous situations, because they think sex workers should be endangered.
agreed, and also I think ‘slap chop’ guy from those infomercial ads influenced my opinion on this way long ago which is hilarious but also sort of depressing.
but yes, i agree we give our bodies to our jobs I just only allow mine to stay above the waist-line. (not that theres anything wrong with the opposite)