Just one of the things they say they’ll do for popularity but their ‘big’ donors don’t support, so they compromise or fail heartlessly. Sabotage would require opposition. The two parties have been playing the extortion game far too long.
I think you mean fighting unions, and failing to deliver on the less-than-bare-minimum that he set out to forgive on student debt. It wasn’t sabatoged, it was because he was too busy boming innocent people, backing a genocide, and writing checks to his rich friends to get things done for the voters.
Yep, this was the moment I became completely disillusioned at the Democratic Party. Joe “nothing will fundamentally change” Biden showed his true colors here.
They’re all just corporate fuckwads. The DNC’s reaction to the 2024 loss and “Project 2029” prove they would rather lose than ever run a popular candidate that doesn’t fall in line with their own agenda.
I’m sick of voting for the compromise candidate that merely slows down our descent into fascism. If we’re heading that way anyway, might as well vote for the candidate whose values closest align to our own, democrat or otherwise and be satisfied we stuck to our convictions.
If the Democrats want my vote ever again, they have a lot of work to do to earn it back, and will need to run a candidate I actually want to vote for. I genuinely hope they get there, but I’m not going to be shamed into fruitlessly giving my vote to them again if they don’t.
Totally. I want to like the Democrats, but their leadership keeps shooting themselves in the foot, and blaming the voters. I find that I tend to side with most of their voters, but their leadership is pretty openly antagonstic to their voting-base.
I gave up on the party long ago, but I am pessimistically hopeful that we’ll see them turn around someday. In the meantime, I’d rather put my efforts into other parties that actually fight for what I want.
Yep, this was the moment I became completely disillusioned at the Democratic Party. Joe “nothing will fundamentally change” Biden showed his true colors here.
… when he got the strikers nearly all of their demands through a hostile Congress???
How are 10% less raise than they asked for, 1 additional day off instead of 15, and the inability to say no or continue striking to be “nearly all” of their demands???
This Reuters article frames my issues with this event in the clearest possible way.
“It was tough for me but it was the right thing to do at the moment – save jobs, to protect millions of working families from harm and disruption and to keep supply chains stable around the holidays,” Biden said, adding the deal avoided “an economic catastrophe.”
“That fight isn’t over,” Biden said of the push for sick leave.
Biden’s focus on was on the economic impact going into the holiday shopping season, not the best interest of the workers. So he inserted himself to make sure that, qualitative demands be damned, there wouldn’t be an interruption to the flow of commerce.
I wouldn’t have been so upset at the outcome if the workers who didn’t agree were prevented from continuing to voice their displeasure. It reeks of “shut up, take this handout which is peanuts compared to your original demands, and get back to work.”
And the most substantive demands revolving around healthcare coming out of a pandemic were almost totally ignored. This is something a corporate administration does, not one who is looking out for the people, or concerned for worker’s rights.
Biden ran on affordable healthcare for all, and when he had the opportunity to provide even a tiny example of that, he prioritized economics over wellbeing for the people.
It sums up most of Biden’s term: too little, too late. Nothing fundamentally changed.
They received a 38% total raise when their initial demand was for 31%.
1 additional day off instead of 15,
7 was the initial demand in the negotiations with the railroads; 1 was the initial result, later increased to 4 plus 3 paid personal leave days after an attempt to force the full 7 through Congress was defeated by the GOP.
and the inability to say no or continue striking to be “nearly all” of their demands???
What the ever-loving fuck do you think unions coming to an agreement with the employers results in, if not an agreement to not continue the strike??
Jesus fucking Christ.
Any observers, feel free to downvote me for committing the crime of stating facts that don’t fit the narrative, I understand that the urge to blindly bleat the talking points of favorite media bubbles, a la conservatives with Fox News, is impossible to resist.
See the source in my previous comment. The 31% increase was a total over a period of 5 years (so in 2027 any workers left will get that amount), the jump from 1-4 days off came after Biden’s involvement concluded and yes, the original request was for 15 days off. 7 is less than half of 15.
To answer your question, the unions eventually accepted these terms, but the bill signed by Biden prevented workers from being able to strike again on this issue. This, coupled with the lack of their requested sick time and 5 year waiting period for their agreed upon raise, made clear the focus was on getting the workers back to work, rather than actually addressing their grievances. In short, nothing fundamentally changed. They were just told to go back to work.
Once again, how is this “nearly all” of their demands?
You absolute dumbass, he used the method the law said he could, then Republican judges interfered because it’s Republican policy to not allow Democrats to be perceived as serving anything positive, then Biden used 20 different new methods to forgive all kinds of subvariants of loans
Biden helped the union get their demands. Remember that unions don’t exist to strike, they exist to protect the interests of their members - and they got what they wanted and thanked Biden for it
You mean like supporting unions and forgiving student debt? Or do you not count that because republicans sabotaged it?
Just one of the things they say they’ll do for popularity but their ‘big’ donors don’t support, so they compromise or fail heartlessly. Sabotage would require opposition. The two parties have been playing the extortion game far too long.
I think you mean fighting unions, and failing to deliver on the less-than-bare-minimum that he set out to forgive on student debt. It wasn’t sabatoged, it was because he was too busy boming innocent people, backing a genocide, and writing checks to his rich friends to get things done for the voters.
Which unions did he fight? The ones who thanked him for helping them get their demands through?
Are you ignorant or a republican troll?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_United_States_railroad_labor_dispute
The one that made the strike illegal, and forced the contract through because the members didn’t want it.
Yep, this was the moment I became completely disillusioned at the Democratic Party. Joe “nothing will fundamentally change” Biden showed his true colors here.
They’re all just corporate fuckwads. The DNC’s reaction to the 2024 loss and “Project 2029” prove they would rather lose than ever run a popular candidate that doesn’t fall in line with their own agenda.
I’m sick of voting for the compromise candidate that merely slows down our descent into fascism. If we’re heading that way anyway, might as well vote for the candidate whose values closest align to our own, democrat or otherwise and be satisfied we stuck to our convictions.
If the Democrats want my vote ever again, they have a lot of work to do to earn it back, and will need to run a candidate I actually want to vote for. I genuinely hope they get there, but I’m not going to be shamed into fruitlessly giving my vote to them again if they don’t.
Totally. I want to like the Democrats, but their leadership keeps shooting themselves in the foot, and blaming the voters. I find that I tend to side with most of their voters, but their leadership is pretty openly antagonstic to their voting-base.
I gave up on the party long ago, but I am pessimistically hopeful that we’ll see them turn around someday. In the meantime, I’d rather put my efforts into other parties that actually fight for what I want.
… when he got the strikers nearly all of their demands through a hostile Congress???
How are 10% less raise than they asked for, 1 additional day off instead of 15, and the inability to say no or continue striking to be “nearly all” of their demands???
This Reuters article frames my issues with this event in the clearest possible way.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-signs-bill-block-us-railroad-strike-2022-12-02/
Biden’s focus on was on the economic impact going into the holiday shopping season, not the best interest of the workers. So he inserted himself to make sure that, qualitative demands be damned, there wouldn’t be an interruption to the flow of commerce.
I wouldn’t have been so upset at the outcome if the workers who didn’t agree were prevented from continuing to voice their displeasure. It reeks of “shut up, take this handout which is peanuts compared to your original demands, and get back to work.”
And the most substantive demands revolving around healthcare coming out of a pandemic were almost totally ignored. This is something a corporate administration does, not one who is looking out for the people, or concerned for worker’s rights.
Biden ran on affordable healthcare for all, and when he had the opportunity to provide even a tiny example of that, he prioritized economics over wellbeing for the people.
It sums up most of Biden’s term: too little, too late. Nothing fundamentally changed.
They received a 38% total raise when their initial demand was for 31%.
7 was the initial demand in the negotiations with the railroads; 1 was the initial result, later increased to 4 plus 3 paid personal leave days after an attempt to force the full 7 through Congress was defeated by the GOP.
What the ever-loving fuck do you think unions coming to an agreement with the employers results in, if not an agreement to not continue the strike??
Jesus fucking Christ.
Any observers, feel free to downvote me for committing the crime of stating facts that don’t fit the narrative, I understand that the urge to blindly bleat the talking points of favorite media bubbles, a la conservatives with Fox News, is impossible to resist.
See the source in my previous comment. The 31% increase was a total over a period of 5 years (so in 2027 any workers left will get that amount), the jump from 1-4 days off came after Biden’s involvement concluded and yes, the original request was for 15 days off. 7 is less than half of 15.
To answer your question, the unions eventually accepted these terms, but the bill signed by Biden prevented workers from being able to strike again on this issue. This, coupled with the lack of their requested sick time and 5 year waiting period for their agreed upon raise, made clear the focus was on getting the workers back to work, rather than actually addressing their grievances. In short, nothing fundamentally changed. They were just told to go back to work.
Once again, how is this “nearly all” of their demands?
Rail.
https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/rail-unions-hail-bidens-two-person-crew-mandate/
https://www.npr.org/2023/02/10/1155763336/freight-rail-workers-union-paid-sick-leave-bernie-sanders-csx
Maybe check what actually happened as a result
I have. Maybe you should read up on it:
https://www.vice.com/en/article/more-than-500-labor-historians-condemn-bidens-intervention-in-freight-rail-dispute/
https://jacobin.com/2022/12/railworkers-basic-control-sick-days-leave-pay-raise-strike-biden-contract
https://www.npr.org/2022/12/02/1140265413/rail-workers-biden-unions-freight-railroads-averted-strike
The only people who were happy with it were the unions leaders, who had been pushing against the wishies of the members the entire time.
How curious that my article is more recent than all of yours and include developments giving them more of what they asked for
Rail.
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You absolute dumbass, he used the method the law said he could, then Republican judges interfered because it’s Republican policy to not allow Democrats to be perceived as serving anything positive, then Biden used 20 different new methods to forgive all kinds of subvariants of loans
Biden helped the union get their demands. Remember that unions don’t exist to strike, they exist to protect the interests of their members - and they got what they wanted and thanked Biden for it
I’m pretty sure this person is a Russian troll. All they care about is shitting on Democrats