It’s always about harm reduction. Was about harm reduction in 2016, it was about harm reduction in 2020, it was about harm reduction in 2024.
No one cares. Liberal activists have been banging the drum about harm reduction for the better part of 20 years.
You think continuing to go on about harm reduction is going to get the apathetic electorate to vote?
Yeah you’re damn right there are people out here encouraging people to not waste their time with electoralism. There are much better places we should be spending our energy where it actually matters.
As far as the safety of minority groups under Democrat leadership I’d say it’s a wash given that state leadership is far far more important than Federal leadership.
The Democrats will not save us nor will they deliver us from fascism
It’s always about harm reduction. Was about harm reduction in 2016, it was about harm reduction in 2020, it was about harm reduction in 2024.
Did you read where I wrote this:
Its not blue no matter who. Its blue when harm reduction is one of the limited choices and working to expand the progressive wing where possible.
Can’t move past harm reduction if you are not growing the progressive wing where possible. Either in the dem party or spinning of a serious 3rd party. Libertarian, as gross as they are, have made their ideas main stream in the Rs. Again tankies discouraging voting is abandoning a key front in the [class] war and rolling over for fascists.
Tankies just aren’t serious people. Ive never had a tankie like yourself propose and different actionable plan. If they were serious they would have one to talk about rather than just shitting on what we do have.
You think continuing to go on about harm reduction is going to get the apathetic electorate to vote?
Not voting has cost us LGBT, womens, and other rights. So… yeah they have a lot at stake. This is a [class] war and in all war you don’t have a say about when it stops.
Have you not watched that Democratic party sacrifice the progressives on the altar of so-called progress?
Can’t grow a progressive Wing if it’s constantly stopped out by the DNC. 🙄
It’s wonderful you understand we’re in a class war. It’s idiotic how you think electoralism is a major front in the class war. You know how I know this? Because groups have already tried the strategy you’re talking about in history and specifically failed to save themselves from fascism. See Germany in the 1900s.
You say “not voting” has cost us the rights of women lgbtq minorities and other people, I say pushing a strategy of harm reduction for the Electoral it for the past 20 years is the reason that those rights were lost.
I keep scrolling waiting for you to do something other than complain. I’m waiting for you to present some kind of path forward.
The closest you’ve gotten so far is implying that we need new political parties, while apparently being completely unaware that we are NOWHERE NEAR a viable 3rd party in this country. That would take YEARS of one putting in the hard work and winning local/state elections and getting MORE THAN ZERO members in the House and Senate.
You’re over here whining about the Democrat party, trying to get people to not vote for them, when there is no viable alternative and absolutely, positively, 100% will not be one by the next election.
You want to wipe the board clean instead of reforming an already super established party. That’s childish and won’t work.
I don’t think I can be much clear about the solution. Do you think voting in 2026/2028 is going to save us? Thats funny. How about we focus on making it to 2028.
I don’t want people to waste their time volunteering with the Democrats when they could be working with one of the other hundreds of local organizations that actually uplift there community instead of just burn the averages voters goodwill
Yeah, which is why I am saying to put some of that protest energy into voting as well. We need to follow though to get policy. Otherwise the protest was just a hangout.
But we don’t get to vote on policy. Not often. Not on the federal level and very rarely in a way that matters locally.
Our Representatives don’t represent us and our government does not represent the majority will of the people and hasn’t regardless of which party is in office.
I’m not saying that people shouldn’t vote I’m saying that people shouldn’t waste time convincing others to vote or who to vote for.
You say “not voting” has cost us the rights of women lgbtq minorities and other people, I say pushing a strategy of harm reduction for the Electoral it for the past 20 years is the reason that those rights were lost.
I addressed this:
Did you read where I wrote this:
Its not blue no matter who. Its blue when harm reduction is one of the limited choices and working to expand the progressive wing where possible.
Can’t move past harm reduction if you are not growing the progressive wing where possible. Either in the dem party or spinning of a serious 3rd party. Libertarian, as gross as they are, have made their ideas main stream in the Rs. Again tankies discouraging voting is abandoning a key front in the [class] war and rolling over for fascists.
Can’t grow a progressive Wing if it’s constantly stopped out by the DNC. 🙄
And you never will grow it because you don’t show up to grow it.
It’s idiotic how you think electoralism is a major front in the class war.
And i think its idiotic you are abandoning people you could be helping.
Yeah you didn’t actually address my point that the DNC squashes Progressive politics so that there isn’t a progressive wing and there will not be one in the DNC. It’s fun to pretend though but you did actually address this concern though.
It’s not my fault that you lack creativity and are unable to imagine a way of helping people that doesn’t involve electoralism and think that’s abandoning people 🙄
Yeah you didn’t actually address my point that the DNC squashes Progressive politics so that there isn’t a progressive wing and there will not be one in the DNC. It’s fun to pretend though but you did actually address this concern though.
Because you don’t vote. And we won’t have a third party win local elections because tankies discourage taking action to win those elections.
Explain how me not voting, which you have no idea if I did or not, fails to push Progressive politics in the dnc?
I also didn’t say that you shouldn’t vote only that you shouldn’t waste your time with electoralism. Meaning that people should vote for who they want regardless of the screeching the liberals do. And that they shouldn’t waste their time doing anything with those parties since local organizations are far more important than political parties.
Here in fact I got a great Counterpoint to this idiotic line of thinking. In 2020 we had the largest voting turnout we have ever had And end it up With one of the most institutional governments the Democrats have ever given us. How come that didn’t result into the progressive Wing that you keep talking about? We also have record-setting votes during the midterms 2022. I wonder what happened to those progressives. It’s not like we have a foreign lobbyist organization that does its best to ensure that progressives can’t get anywhere. It’s also not like the powers that be in the DNC do their absolute best to ensure that progressives can’t get anywhere.
I see there’s no response to me completely dismantling your point about creating a progressive Wing in the DNC.
Can we stop pretending electoralism is important? As I said multiple multiple times in this thread people should be spending their energy locally organizing with local organizations that do things like Feed the Homeless, or help those in a poverty situation.
It’s always about harm reduction. Was about harm reduction in 2016, it was about harm reduction in 2020, it was about harm reduction in 2024.
No one cares. Liberal activists have been banging the drum about harm reduction for the better part of 20 years.
You think continuing to go on about harm reduction is going to get the apathetic electorate to vote?
Yeah you’re damn right there are people out here encouraging people to not waste their time with electoralism. There are much better places we should be spending our energy where it actually matters.
As far as the safety of minority groups under Democrat leadership I’d say it’s a wash given that state leadership is far far more important than Federal leadership.
The Democrats will not save us nor will they deliver us from fascism
Did you read where I wrote this:
Can’t move past harm reduction if you are not growing the progressive wing where possible. Either in the dem party or spinning of a serious 3rd party. Libertarian, as gross as they are, have made their ideas main stream in the Rs. Again tankies discouraging voting is abandoning a key front in the [class] war and rolling over for fascists.
Tankies just aren’t serious people. Ive never had a tankie like yourself propose and different actionable plan. If they were serious they would have one to talk about rather than just shitting on what we do have.
Not voting has cost us LGBT, womens, and other rights. So… yeah they have a lot at stake. This is a [class] war and in all war you don’t have a say about when it stops.
Have you not watched that Democratic party sacrifice the progressives on the altar of so-called progress?
Can’t grow a progressive Wing if it’s constantly stopped out by the DNC. 🙄
It’s wonderful you understand we’re in a class war. It’s idiotic how you think electoralism is a major front in the class war. You know how I know this? Because groups have already tried the strategy you’re talking about in history and specifically failed to save themselves from fascism. See Germany in the 1900s.
You say “not voting” has cost us the rights of women lgbtq minorities and other people, I say pushing a strategy of harm reduction for the Electoral it for the past 20 years is the reason that those rights were lost.
Lol.
I keep scrolling waiting for you to do something other than complain. I’m waiting for you to present some kind of path forward.
The closest you’ve gotten so far is implying that we need new political parties, while apparently being completely unaware that we are NOWHERE NEAR a viable 3rd party in this country. That would take YEARS of one putting in the hard work and winning local/state elections and getting MORE THAN ZERO members in the House and Senate.
You’re over here whining about the Democrat party, trying to get people to not vote for them, when there is no viable alternative and absolutely, positively, 100% will not be one by the next election.
You want to wipe the board clean instead of reforming an already super established party. That’s childish and won’t work.
LOCALLY ORGANIZE
I don’t think I can be much clear about the solution. Do you think voting in 2026/2028 is going to save us? Thats funny. How about we focus on making it to 2028.
I don’t want people to waste their time volunteering with the Democrats when they could be working with one of the other hundreds of local organizations that actually uplift there community instead of just burn the averages voters goodwill
You know we can do more than one thing at a time right?
You know there’s an efficient use of time and then there is a waste of time right?
Yeah, which is why I am saying to put some of that protest energy into voting as well. We need to follow though to get policy. Otherwise the protest was just a hangout.
But we don’t get to vote on policy. Not often. Not on the federal level and very rarely in a way that matters locally.
Our Representatives don’t represent us and our government does not represent the majority will of the people and hasn’t regardless of which party is in office.
I’m not saying that people shouldn’t vote I’m saying that people shouldn’t waste time convincing others to vote or who to vote for.
I addressed this:
And i think its idiotic you are abandoning people you could be helping.
Yeah you didn’t actually address my point that the DNC squashes Progressive politics so that there isn’t a progressive wing and there will not be one in the DNC. It’s fun to pretend though but you did actually address this concern though.
It’s not my fault that you lack creativity and are unable to imagine a way of helping people that doesn’t involve electoralism and think that’s abandoning people 🙄
Because you don’t vote. And we won’t have a third party win local elections because tankies discourage taking action to win those elections.
Ooo. Finally we got a reason.
Explain how me not voting, which you have no idea if I did or not, fails to push Progressive politics in the dnc?
I also didn’t say that you shouldn’t vote only that you shouldn’t waste your time with electoralism. Meaning that people should vote for who they want regardless of the screeching the liberals do. And that they shouldn’t waste their time doing anything with those parties since local organizations are far more important than political parties.
Here in fact I got a great Counterpoint to this idiotic line of thinking. In 2020 we had the largest voting turnout we have ever had And end it up With one of the most institutional governments the Democrats have ever given us. How come that didn’t result into the progressive Wing that you keep talking about? We also have record-setting votes during the midterms 2022. I wonder what happened to those progressives. It’s not like we have a foreign lobbyist organization that does its best to ensure that progressives can’t get anywhere. It’s also not like the powers that be in the DNC do their absolute best to ensure that progressives can’t get anywhere.
Your behavior aligns with someone who didn’t. And the biggest voter block was non-voting.
https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/1grcztm/voter_distribution_in_us_2024_presidential/
I see there’s no response to me completely dismantling your point about creating a progressive Wing in the DNC.
Can we stop pretending electoralism is important? As I said multiple multiple times in this thread people should be spending their energy locally organizing with local organizations that do things like Feed the Homeless, or help those in a poverty situation.