Notice how legislation didn’t save us when we had four years to prepare.
Hmm.
Radlibs really need to pick up a book about political Theory from somebody other than another liberal.
You claim it’s one of the many actions we need to take I think it’s a waste of our time and history supports my position as clearly evident by the clusterfuck of the United States
Notice how legislation didn’t save us when we had four years to prepare.
Is how we got the civil rights act. Its is how we have many important things. Tankies like you no showed on elections when they were attacked. You are a bad ally and have no serious platform.
Yeah we can totally forget the actions of people like Malcolm X, MLK Jr, Fred Hampton and the thousands of other people that died fighting for those rights. Let’s forget the literal thousands of people that came out in those marches and the protest that had an active economic impact such as shutting down the entire bus system in Alabama. Those were noticeably things that the Democrats at the time did not support.
Yep let’s forget all of of the groundwork put in by those communities and instead just gave all of the credit to the Democrats for signing the Civil Rights act.
You’re an idiot that doesn’t have a good understanding of History both us and worldwide. You’re not serious as a political actor and you should feel bad for continuing to use failed strategies that we have historical evidence of not working.
You’re not serious if you’re not willing to educate yourself on anything other than what Bernie and AOC tell you to do. Pick up a book one preferably by Marxist or anarchist. You might learn how to do something other than cast a vote.
Yeah we can totally forget the actions of people like Malcolm X, MLK Jr, Fred Hampton and the thousands of other people that died fighting for those rights.
Never said we should. I am saying that if you don’t channel that energy into getting representation we won’t have a material benefit and will have wasted the organization.
Notice how you still have not said anything about an alternative course of action? Tankies are not serious people.
Libs focusing on voting as the sole method of change or completely inflating it’s importance are a large part of the reason there isn’t a strong left-wing in the US.
Libs focusing on voting as the sole method of change
And I have said multiple times, to you even, that its just one front in what we need to be doing. And an important front in the [class] war. Tankies just aren’t serious about fighting.
I think our disagreement here is just how important electoralism is for us.
I think electoralism has practically delivered us into the jaws of fascism and has done nothing but delay the inevitable.
You think for some reason that electoralism Will somehow save us and bring about harm reduction.
I am literally quoting arguments from Rosa Luxembourg, Lenin, Engels, and Marx which all focused quite heavily on how to affect change in the United States and in general and all of them came to the conclusion that spending a lot of time with electoralism is a waste of time. You will never have to say you want and you will never get what you want because they are incentivized to not listen to you.
Your responses are standard reform is mainstream media responses that are delivered every single time someone brings out the talking point that electoralism and this strategy is what brought us here in the first place. When I’m advocating to do something different you’re telling me that I’m wrong, when I point out that it’s not work historically you tell me that we just need to give it another, when I point out how the strategy of harm reduction hasn’t worked in 20 years you point out that voters need to not be apathetic to get things done. Which is true but you’re not answering how you get those apathetic voters to vote and advocating on Lemmy ain’t it brother.
I’m not sitting here advocating to anybody who didn’t vote I’m sitting here telling people who want to spend a bunch of time trying to advocate for people to vote that it’s a waste of their time and that they should be more focused on getting people to engage in electoral politics and that that interest will drive them to vote.
Notice how legislation didn’t save us when we had four years to prepare.
Hmm.
Radlibs really need to pick up a book about political Theory from somebody other than another liberal.
You claim it’s one of the many actions we need to take I think it’s a waste of our time and history supports my position as clearly evident by the clusterfuck of the United States
Is how we got the civil rights act. Its is how we have many important things. Tankies like you no showed on elections when they were attacked. You are a bad ally and have no serious platform.
Yeah we can totally forget the actions of people like Malcolm X, MLK Jr, Fred Hampton and the thousands of other people that died fighting for those rights. Let’s forget the literal thousands of people that came out in those marches and the protest that had an active economic impact such as shutting down the entire bus system in Alabama. Those were noticeably things that the Democrats at the time did not support.
Yep let’s forget all of of the groundwork put in by those communities and instead just gave all of the credit to the Democrats for signing the Civil Rights act.
You’re an idiot that doesn’t have a good understanding of History both us and worldwide. You’re not serious as a political actor and you should feel bad for continuing to use failed strategies that we have historical evidence of not working.
You’re not serious if you’re not willing to educate yourself on anything other than what Bernie and AOC tell you to do. Pick up a book one preferably by Marxist or anarchist. You might learn how to do something other than cast a vote.
Never said we should. I am saying that if you don’t channel that energy into getting representation we won’t have a material benefit and will have wasted the organization.
Notice how you still have not said anything about an alternative course of action? Tankies are not serious people.
I said multiple times over the course of this thread that we should put our energy into organizing locally.
It’s not my fault that you seem to have the comprehension skills of a fish.
And voting is part of that. A big and important part. Tankies leaving that out shows they are not serious about material change.
Libs focusing on voting as the sole method of change or completely inflating it’s importance are a large part of the reason there isn’t a strong left-wing in the US.
And I have said multiple times, to you even, that its just one front in what we need to be doing. And an important front in the [class] war. Tankies just aren’t serious about fighting.
I think our disagreement here is just how important electoralism is for us.
I think electoralism has practically delivered us into the jaws of fascism and has done nothing but delay the inevitable.
You think for some reason that electoralism Will somehow save us and bring about harm reduction.
I am literally quoting arguments from Rosa Luxembourg, Lenin, Engels, and Marx which all focused quite heavily on how to affect change in the United States and in general and all of them came to the conclusion that spending a lot of time with electoralism is a waste of time. You will never have to say you want and you will never get what you want because they are incentivized to not listen to you.
Your responses are standard reform is mainstream media responses that are delivered every single time someone brings out the talking point that electoralism and this strategy is what brought us here in the first place. When I’m advocating to do something different you’re telling me that I’m wrong, when I point out that it’s not work historically you tell me that we just need to give it another, when I point out how the strategy of harm reduction hasn’t worked in 20 years you point out that voters need to not be apathetic to get things done. Which is true but you’re not answering how you get those apathetic voters to vote and advocating on Lemmy ain’t it brother.
I’m not sitting here advocating to anybody who didn’t vote I’m sitting here telling people who want to spend a bunch of time trying to advocate for people to vote that it’s a waste of their time and that they should be more focused on getting people to engage in electoral politics and that that interest will drive them to vote.