I mean I’ve shown at this point conclusively that we’ve known about this issue in the United States since at least the 90s. In fact there was talk about this in the 80s.
There’s been a soul focus on getting apathetic voters to engage for about the last 20 years which hasn’t worked and you think the best thing is to double down on a strategy that hasn’t worked?
But I’m ignoring material conditions?
Okay since you’re so interested in talking about material conditions let’s talk material conditions. Who controls the Democrats and the Republicans because it’s not the voters. It’s the people with a shit ton of money that can then use their money as speech to vote.
Is entirely inconsequential to get 10 million people to stand on the side of a road for a protest that does not threaten power. This was something that even MLK Jr recognized which is why he was historically unpopular during his time. He did things like shut down the highways, Shut down bus routes, shut down cities. They never used violence they only just stood in the way but it was effective. You’ll notice that the 10 million strong that we just had in the no Kings protest did none of those things and thus nothing changed.
How many people begged Biden to change his Palestine policy and told him that he was going to lose the election because of it? 1, 2, 1000?
Man electoralism is so good at getting our politicians to listen to us.
I wonder who was in control in the 90s, what party when we went through both recession and lost all of our manufacturing jobs. And I wonder how that happened and what economic theory can be used to explain it. I mean it’s not like the Democrats did anything to fix all of the social cutting by the Reagan administration nor did they put back any of the regulations they removed that would have resulted in a much different outcome for us today they had put those restrictions back.
We had a record number of Voters turn out in 2024 and it wasn’t enough.
The capitalists are not interested in what we want and they’re spending Millions upon millions of dollars to ensure that will never get it and that what we do get will be ineffective compromises that barely count as a solution. It’s why we couldn’t get a minimum wage increase through and it’s why we can’t get something that every other fucking country in the world has.
You know what I remember about all of this a large focus on electoralism and how that if we just get the Democrats in we can do the necessary work to push them farther left wing but that doesn’t seem to have work now does it. If anything the Democrats are further right than they’ve ever been and what they offer us are are social platitudes that don’t meaningfully affect anybody’s lives.
Every election I have ever lived through has always been about voting in the Lesser evil and pushing the Democrats to the left and it’s not worked
Stop pushing insanity. Whenever we manage to achieve through the electoral process will be undone as soon as the capitalists are able to do so and that is also historically true. Pretending that electoralism is going to do anything other than delay the inevitable is a pipe dream of those who only want to live in peace who cannot understand that that was never an option.
Yes, and in your blind privileged don’t see why even harm reduction helps the most vulnerable.
We had a record number of Voters turn out in 2024 and it wasn’t enough.
Remember the graphic? Shows there are people we have not reached for our cause. Electorally or otherwise.
Is entirely inconsequential to get 10 million people to stand on the side of a road for a protest that does not threaten power. This was something that even MLK Jr recognized which is why he was historically unpopular during his time. He did things like shut down the highways, Shut down bus routes, shut down cities. They never used violence they only just stood in the way but it was effective. You’ll notice that the 10 million strong that we just had in the no Kings protest did none of those things and thus nothing changed.
Remember where I said elections are the only front in the class war? Because i didn’t. Protests are important. I am saying that we need to convert those into policy and part of how we do that is voting.
The capitalists are not interested in what we want and they’re spending Millions upon millions of dollars to ensure that will never get it and that what we do get will be ineffective compromises that barely count as a solution. It’s why we couldn’t get a minimum wage increase through and it’s why we can’t get something that every other fucking country in the world has.
Which is why they are involved in electoral politics. Because it materially helps them and suppresses our ability to build. Hence why we need to be active on that front too.
I do remember the graphic. Remember how nothing we’ve tried in the last 20 years has gotten that number to move? I do.
It’s Rich to call my position privileged with the way your arguing.
Remember when I said you shouldn’t spend a lot of time on electoralism. Lenin agrees. Not that you care because to you he would be the ultimate tankie.
It’s Rich to call my position privileged with the way your arguing.
You’re not the one worried about getting home to an empty house because your parents are now at Alligator Auschwitz. You don’t seem bothered that discrimination laws are being rolled back. Certainly not enough to have your voice officially recorded as saying no to that. Not enough to help those beyond your town that need help.
I mean I’ve shown at this point conclusively that we’ve known about this issue in the United States since at least the 90s. In fact there was talk about this in the 80s.
There’s been a soul focus on getting apathetic voters to engage for about the last 20 years which hasn’t worked and you think the best thing is to double down on a strategy that hasn’t worked?
But I’m ignoring material conditions?
Okay since you’re so interested in talking about material conditions let’s talk material conditions. Who controls the Democrats and the Republicans because it’s not the voters. It’s the people with a shit ton of money that can then use their money as speech to vote.
Is entirely inconsequential to get 10 million people to stand on the side of a road for a protest that does not threaten power. This was something that even MLK Jr recognized which is why he was historically unpopular during his time. He did things like shut down the highways, Shut down bus routes, shut down cities. They never used violence they only just stood in the way but it was effective. You’ll notice that the 10 million strong that we just had in the no Kings protest did none of those things and thus nothing changed.
How many people begged Biden to change his Palestine policy and told him that he was going to lose the election because of it? 1, 2, 1000?
Man electoralism is so good at getting our politicians to listen to us.
I wonder who was in control in the 90s, what party when we went through both recession and lost all of our manufacturing jobs. And I wonder how that happened and what economic theory can be used to explain it. I mean it’s not like the Democrats did anything to fix all of the social cutting by the Reagan administration nor did they put back any of the regulations they removed that would have resulted in a much different outcome for us today they had put those restrictions back.
We had a record number of Voters turn out in 2024 and it wasn’t enough.
The capitalists are not interested in what we want and they’re spending Millions upon millions of dollars to ensure that will never get it and that what we do get will be ineffective compromises that barely count as a solution. It’s why we couldn’t get a minimum wage increase through and it’s why we can’t get something that every other fucking country in the world has.
You know what I remember about all of this a large focus on electoralism and how that if we just get the Democrats in we can do the necessary work to push them farther left wing but that doesn’t seem to have work now does it. If anything the Democrats are further right than they’ve ever been and what they offer us are are social platitudes that don’t meaningfully affect anybody’s lives.
Every election I have ever lived through has always been about voting in the Lesser evil and pushing the Democrats to the left and it’s not worked
Stop pushing insanity. Whenever we manage to achieve through the electoral process will be undone as soon as the capitalists are able to do so and that is also historically true. Pretending that electoralism is going to do anything other than delay the inevitable is a pipe dream of those who only want to live in peace who cannot understand that that was never an option.
Yes, and in your blind privileged don’t see why even harm reduction helps the most vulnerable.
Remember the graphic? Shows there are people we have not reached for our cause. Electorally or otherwise.
Remember where I said elections are the only front in the class war? Because i didn’t. Protests are important. I am saying that we need to convert those into policy and part of how we do that is voting.
Which is why they are involved in electoral politics. Because it materially helps them and suppresses our ability to build. Hence why we need to be active on that front too.
I do remember the graphic. Remember how nothing we’ve tried in the last 20 years has gotten that number to move? I do.
It’s Rich to call my position privileged with the way your arguing.
Remember when I said you shouldn’t spend a lot of time on electoralism. Lenin agrees. Not that you care because to you he would be the ultimate tankie.
You’re not the one worried about getting home to an empty house because your parents are now at Alligator Auschwitz. You don’t seem bothered that discrimination laws are being rolled back. Certainly not enough to have your voice officially recorded as saying no to that. Not enough to help those beyond your town that need help.
Pretty privileged really.
Lol I spend my time local organizing and helping my community but that doesn’t matter to you clearly.
It only counts if I waste my time advocating for electoralism.
Thats a pretty dumb position and one that is clearly born of privileged.
And you should take an evening to vote as well.
Nope. Going to get a big jacket that says “Voting is for chumps” just so I can watch liberal go off.
Definitely don’t think that people should pragmatically vote and then leave it at that instead of wasting anymore time in electoralism
Just be sure to check your privilege at the check out.
From the person that thinks electoralism will save us…
Yeah great bit of advice.