Someone a long time ago estimated that in their future, automation will make us work much less. Guess what, it made us work more even tho the work that has to be done is less
People find ways to make more from less and then somehow optimize away the gained free time and then some. In that regard, farming was a pretty shit invention.
There’s a percentage of jobs out there that even with layoffs, AI, and the rest, are not crucial to the operation and could be eliminated. Ask anyone who is the “main” worker while others do the minimum or less.
Marketing is a huge industry, doesn’t really benefit society, and isn’t really needed at all. Executives are mostly useless or even detrimental to their companies. A lot of the financial sector is just gambling.
I guess you are joking, but I see this argument often and it really doesn’t make any sense.
Not defending the multi billion dollars corporation and not denying that something seriously need to change on how we value our time, but hunters-gatherers would kill for an 8 hours job, probably sittinf down on a computer. They had to work the whole day, dawn to dusk, just to survive.
no they didn’t, hunter-gatherers had (and have) remarkably chill lives.
the thing is just that when things sucked they REALLY sucked, but it’s not like that’s not true in many places on earth right now despite all our technological advancements… People are currently starving to death and being bombed in gaza.
As we do more archaeology we’re realizing that people were building permanent settlements way way way way before the “dawn of civilization” in the middle east.
They were figuring out a really fucking sweet balance between a nomadic hunter-gatherer lifestyle and the “modern” fixed farming lifestyle, where they had a bunch of settlements that they moved between depending on the seasons, and as they went along they planted things strategically so the entire environment around them would be what we’d call a “food forest” these days.
They had to work the whole day, dawn to dusk, just to survive.
I don’t think that’s true. At least the stuff I’ve read seems to show that about ~40 hours a week was pretty normal.
Don’t get me wrong, there’s good reasons to not want to go back to hunter-gatherer societies (the linked article goes into that), but raw hours worked isn’t one of them.
Move to remote island build your house by hand. Then live that lifestyle no electricity or running water. No modern technology or medicine. You can gather and hunt for food. Then you are only working to survive like the ancestors. This is easy to say but doing is entirely a different vibe.
Seriously, look at history. Villagers bonded together for survival. Then merchants/ trades started happening between tribes. Each person had an assigned task/job in the tribe. So everyday before sunrise hunters would hunt until sunset. The gathers would gather and prepare meals. They did to survive not for $$. So do you want to live the survival lifestyle or today’s posh lifestyle is real question.
It was a bit easier when the guys showing up to kick you out of your shelter were armed with sticks and rocks. Now they’ll show up vastly outnumbering you, out armoring you, and outgunning you.
In my country it is very difficult to get bullet proof armor and guns are significantly regulated. Law enforcement or military would easily outarm and out number a squater.
Reject modernity, return to hunter-gatherer
Someone a long time ago estimated that in their future, automation will make us work much less. Guess what, it made us work more even tho the work that has to be done is less
People find ways to make more from less and then somehow optimize away the gained free time and then some. In that regard, farming was a pretty shit invention.
There’s a percentage of jobs out there that even with layoffs, AI, and the rest, are not crucial to the operation and could be eliminated. Ask anyone who is the “main” worker while others do the minimum or less.
Marketing is a huge industry, doesn’t really benefit society, and isn’t really needed at all. Executives are mostly useless or even detrimental to their companies. A lot of the financial sector is just gambling.
I guess you are joking, but I see this argument often and it really doesn’t make any sense.
Not defending the multi billion dollars corporation and not denying that something seriously need to change on how we value our time, but hunters-gatherers would kill for an 8 hours job, probably sittinf down on a computer. They had to work the whole day, dawn to dusk, just to survive.
no they didn’t, hunter-gatherers had (and have) remarkably chill lives.
the thing is just that when things sucked they REALLY sucked, but it’s not like that’s not true in many places on earth right now despite all our technological advancements… People are currently starving to death and being bombed in gaza.
As we do more archaeology we’re realizing that people were building permanent settlements way way way way before the “dawn of civilization” in the middle east.
They were figuring out a really fucking sweet balance between a nomadic hunter-gatherer lifestyle and the “modern” fixed farming lifestyle, where they had a bunch of settlements that they moved between depending on the seasons, and as they went along they planted things strategically so the entire environment around them would be what we’d call a “food forest” these days.
I don’t think that’s true. At least the stuff I’ve read seems to show that about ~40 hours a week was pretty normal.
Don’t get me wrong, there’s good reasons to not want to go back to hunter-gatherer societies (the linked article goes into that), but raw hours worked isn’t one of them.
Just some good ol’ healthy outdoors activity
Move to remote island build your house by hand. Then live that lifestyle no electricity or running water. No modern technology or medicine. You can gather and hunt for food. Then you are only working to survive like the ancestors. This is easy to say but doing is entirely a different vibe.
/joke
Seriously, look at history. Villagers bonded together for survival. Then merchants/ trades started happening between tribes. Each person had an assigned task/job in the tribe. So everyday before sunrise hunters would hunt until sunset. The gathers would gather and prepare meals. They did to survive not for $$. So do you want to live the survival lifestyle or today’s posh lifestyle is real question.
reject capitalism, return to communal societies?
Not far back enough
i’m pretty sure the monke we descended from also lived communally. don’t quote me on that though.
Anyone who wants to deadass can if they really want to. Just fuckoff into the remote somewhere and you can try.
You say that but in the year of our lord. All of the land is “owned” and they’ll get you for the crime of existing.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9860359/After-decades-woods-New-Hampshire-man-forced-cabin.html
https://www.kezi.com/news/douglas-county-man-living-on-illegal-camp-on-blm-land-arrested/article_325b36fc-96e9-11ef-9ad2-af85ee2c55c4.html
Avoiding the notice of other groups is part of the hunter-gatherer lifestyle, is it not?
It was a bit easier when the guys showing up to kick you out of your shelter were armed with sticks and rocks. Now they’ll show up vastly outnumbering you, out armoring you, and outgunning you.
Well if you want to resist violently:
They have sticks and rocks, you have sticks and rocks
They have guns and bulletproof vests, you have guns and a bulletproof vest. Nobody is gonna RPG a squatters shack.
The ability to take people with you hasn’t stopped with technology! (I am not advocating that)
In my country it is very difficult to get bullet proof armor and guns are significantly regulated. Law enforcement or military would easily outarm and out number a squater.
Google “GPS technology” and you’ll see just how far we’ve come since pre-agrarian survival
Yeah but what about healthcare? Oh, wait. I can’t afford healthcare anyway.