I know the chart you’re referring to, but we’re speaking in the context of US politics here. The wave function has collapsed to “right” = authoritarian and “left” = liberal. So, your original assertion presents the false equivalence that has allowed us to get to this current state.
I dunno man, that’s pretty flimsy. I can’t even name a union leader. Years of right-wing authoritarianism have rendered unions ineffective and obsolete.
Yeah. Union leaders are usually unknown, unless you are part of the that union. Like I said. Local.
Lots of cop union leaders are locally famous. Even though they are a tool of authority, they still fight for left wing ideals of workers rights and privileges (often to the detriment of the populace).
I’m choosing North American examples to stay in the thread’s topic. South America and Europe have more famous left wing leaders that are worshiped.
Stalin was the authoritarian, Lenin was more of a leftist who aimed to empower the working class and had a relatively more democratic and pragmatic point of view compared to Stalin. Lenin actually warned people about Stalin and advocated that he be removed from power.
Not that I don’t have major issues with Lenin’s approach as well, but it was far better than Stalin and I believe he meant well at least.
Lenin complained in his letters that[29] his bureaucratic “apparatus has already become gigantic — in some places excessively so — and under such conditions a “personal dictatorship” is entirely unrealizable and attempts to realize it would only be harmful.”[31] Loginov explains that Lenin attempted to compensate this “lack of real power” with either with “abundance of decrees” or “simply with strong words.”[29]
The Bolsheviks also used terror as a means to dissuade unrest. On August 20, 1918 Lenin wrote to Nikolai Semashko, ‘I congratulate you on your energetic suppression of the kulaks and White Guards in the district. We must strike while the iron’s hot and not lose a minute, organize the poor of the district, confiscate all the grain and all the property of the rebellious kulaks, hang the kulak ringleaders, mobilize and arm the poor under reliable leaders out of our own unit, arrest hostages from among the wealthy and hold them.’[32]
I’m glad you’re out here correcting people. I’m definitely a layman, but as I see it the entire concept of the Vanguard is immediately antithetical to communism, so I think Leninism is at best a bastardization of Marxist communism. Again, at least as far as my very uneducated opinion goes based on my understanding
Interesting I’ll look more into that. Admittedly I don’t have a super deep understanding of all the intricacies of that era and must have got some bad information.
It was over a century ago and pretty much the only people who talk about him still are his worshippers.
But as a general rule of thumb:
Anyone that says they’re a socialist/communist while living in a palace and ordering their followers to mob up and kill people for disagreeing with their leader…
No one in “the left” supports far right authorizations…
The confusion may be you’re not aware far right authoritarians lie constantly, especially about what they support and why they support it
The left is perfectly capable of supporting Authoritarianism.
Authoritarianism can be both left and right.
Here, we see the “enlightened centrist” in his habitat of false equivalence…
Your jokey comment is highlighting the misconception.
Is a different axis to
I know the chart you’re referring to, but we’re speaking in the context of US politics here. The wave function has collapsed to “right” = authoritarian and “left” = liberal. So, your original assertion presents the false equivalence that has allowed us to get to this current state.
The wave function has collapsed on the right to authoritarian but on the left people can still be either liberal or authoritarian.
Union leaders are left wing and are worshiped as authoritarians.
I dunno man, that’s pretty flimsy. I can’t even name a union leader. Years of right-wing authoritarianism have rendered unions ineffective and obsolete.
Yeah. Union leaders are usually unknown, unless you are part of the that union. Like I said. Local.
Lots of cop union leaders are locally famous. Even though they are a tool of authority, they still fight for left wing ideals of workers rights and privileges (often to the detriment of the populace).
I’m choosing North American examples to stay in the thread’s topic. South America and Europe have more famous left wing leaders that are worshiped.
You might be confusing Lenin with Stalin.
Stalin was the authoritarian, Lenin was more of a leftist who aimed to empower the working class and had a relatively more democratic and pragmatic point of view compared to Stalin. Lenin actually warned people about Stalin and advocated that he be removed from power.
Not that I don’t have major issues with Lenin’s approach as well, but it was far better than Stalin and I believe he meant well at least.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Terror
Lenin wanted to be an authortarian and publicly complained his followers weren’t mobbing up to kill more people he politically disagreed with…
So yeah, I stand by my comment.
Lenin intentionally set the stage for Stalin, but would have done worse if he had the following.
I’m glad you’re out here correcting people. I’m definitely a layman, but as I see it the entire concept of the Vanguard is immediately antithetical to communism, so I think Leninism is at best a bastardization of Marxist communism. Again, at least as far as my very uneducated opinion goes based on my understanding
Interesting I’ll look more into that. Admittedly I don’t have a super deep understanding of all the intricacies of that era and must have got some bad information.
No worries.
It was over a century ago and pretty much the only people who talk about him still are his worshippers.
But as a general rule of thumb:
Anyone that says they’re a socialist/communist while living in a palace and ordering their followers to mob up and kill people for disagreeing with their leader…
They’re really a far right authoritarian