I expected that anyone who is actually following the discussion would understand that when we are talking about left and right we are talking about left and right in the year 2025 and not in the year 1958, and that we are talking about left and right in the west and not left and right in China or in countries that haven’t existed in 30+ years.
Because it’s some wildly different political movements with wildly different goals and ideals?
If you argue that all left movements throught time and space are identical, just because they are using the same rough label, then you are either argueing in bad faith or out of severe ignorance.
No. Elsewhere in this thread I argue that there are a lot of political dimension each with a spectrum of positions.
So if someone makes a massive generalisation and says “the left” don’t worship their political leaders, I feel it important to illustrate, with examples ,why that assumption is likely incorrect.
Man, these guys really just hated being associated with Stalin and Mao so much that they’re not picking up what you’re putting down. You’re correct, left wing movements can absolutely be led by authoritarians with a cult of personality. That said, I think most leftists view authoritarianism as something so abhorrent that they don’t associate those leaders with actual leftist policies.
Thanks for the understanding. Online discussion is usually so polarised that I suspect most people are assuming I’m attacking the left or defending the right.
This is the exact opposite of what I am saying.
The left/right spectrum is being conflated with the authoritarian/libertarian spectrum.
I’ve given many examples to counter the claim that “the left” won’t worship a leader.
I expected that anyone who is actually following the discussion would understand that when we are talking about left and right we are talking about left and right in the year 2025 and not in the year 1958, and that we are talking about left and right in the west and not left and right in China or in countries that haven’t existed in 30+ years.
Different years and countries were provided as examples of people on the left worshiping politicians.
What reason is there to believe that “The Left in the US in 2025” would be any different to what happened in other countries in other years?
Because it’s some wildly different political movements with wildly different goals and ideals?
If you argue that all left movements throught time and space are identical, just because they are using the same rough label, then you are either argueing in bad faith or out of severe ignorance.
No. Elsewhere in this thread I argue that there are a lot of political dimension each with a spectrum of positions.
So if someone makes a massive generalisation and says “the left” don’t worship their political leaders, I feel it important to illustrate, with examples ,why that assumption is likely incorrect.
Again, we were talking about a very specific left. And you have problems with understanding things like context.
I believe that the general comment about the very specific left is false, and I gave examples why I think it is false.
I haven’t yet heard any argument (never mind a good one) for why the statement that “the American left will never worship a politican” is true.
You are boring. You can’t follow the topic and think ignoring what other people say makes you right.
I am quite happy to hear why I’m wrong. Maybe the American left in 2025 are special in some way. Somehow different from the rest of history.
You have the floor…
Man, these guys really just hated being associated with Stalin and Mao so much that they’re not picking up what you’re putting down. You’re correct, left wing movements can absolutely be led by authoritarians with a cult of personality. That said, I think most leftists view authoritarianism as something so abhorrent that they don’t associate those leaders with actual leftist policies.
Thanks for the understanding. Online discussion is usually so polarised that I suspect most people are assuming I’m attacking the left or defending the right.
I’m only highlighting lazy thinking.