If toxic masculinity is destructive masculinity like “boys be boys” and neofascist pundits, then toxic empathy would be something like Stockholm-syndrome. In context it does sound more like the expression stems from sociopathy.
How did “boys will be boys” go from “coming home at age 7 covered in mud, with a skinned knee, and a frog in your pocket” to “sexual assault and felony gun possession?”
Even in the first one, ‘boys will be boys’ is often used to explain why you react differently to the same scenario depending on whether it’s a boy or girl. I remember being scolded for this stuff as an AFAB, while boys got away with it. Same story with getting into little physical fights, being rowdy, aggressive, destroying stuff. I guess that can be a slippery slope into the latter one, if you keep it up long enough. Just my attempt at an explanation.
I can’t really find a better way to phrase it, but I could see an excess of empathy leading to some toxic behaviors. my SiL frequently goes to a church where people “give 'till it hurts” and then next week is the one begging people to help. because they gave away all their savings the week before, and now can’t afford the medical procedure they got lined up next week.
The issue here is that a little financial responsibility would have saved everyone from being in that position in the first place. collectively, the issue is they have no impulse control and a priest taking advantage of it.
If it’s pulling someone to the left, it can’t be toxic. Also, if the headline is a question, it’s not a sign of quality. (One point for Betteridge’s law of headlines.)
But I didn’t say or imply that. I mean, a bit of a pull to the left isn’t a bad thing. Drfinately not toxic. I’d rather have untetherd people drift towards political or economic leftism than the alternative, which is cruel stuff like fascism etc…
Sounds more like manipulation, when the other comment said it can weaponized, I’m assuming he meant manipulation, which is deceptive and not empathy at all, and that is what sociapaths use
If toxic masculinity is destructive masculinity like “boys be boys” and neofascist pundits, then toxic empathy would be something like Stockholm-syndrome. In context it does sound more like the expression stems from sociopathy.
How did “boys will be boys” go from “coming home at age 7 covered in mud, with a skinned knee, and a frog in your pocket” to “sexual assault and felony gun possession?”
Even in the first one, ‘boys will be boys’ is often used to explain why you react differently to the same scenario depending on whether it’s a boy or girl. I remember being scolded for this stuff as an AFAB, while boys got away with it. Same story with getting into little physical fights, being rowdy, aggressive, destroying stuff. I guess that can be a slippery slope into the latter one, if you keep it up long enough. Just my attempt at an explanation.
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That’s puberty for you! 🤷🏻♂️
I can’t really find a better way to phrase it, but I could see an excess of empathy leading to some toxic behaviors. my SiL frequently goes to a church where people “give 'till it hurts” and then next week is the one begging people to help. because they gave away all their savings the week before, and now can’t afford the medical procedure they got lined up next week.
The issue here is that a little financial responsibility would have saved everyone from being in that position in the first place. collectively, the issue is they have no impulse control and a priest taking advantage of it.
If it’s pulling someone to the left, it can’t be toxic. Also, if the headline is a question, it’s not a sign of quality. (One point for Betteridge’s law of headlines.)
The notion that there are no toxic entities on the left is naive.
Oh believe me, I know firsthand. But empathy isn’t the problem
But I didn’t say or imply that. I mean, a bit of a pull to the left isn’t a bad thing. Drfinately not toxic. I’d rather have untetherd people drift towards political or economic leftism than the alternative, which is cruel stuff like fascism etc…
Sounds more like manipulation, when the other comment said it can weaponized, I’m assuming he meant manipulation, which is deceptive and not empathy at all, and that is what sociapaths use