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    Lol. There is plenty of empirical data to show that the best men are better than the best women.

    Have a gander at the records in all sports.

    If that does t cut it, how about the European studie that tested the strength and fitness of over 2 million kids. It showed that top 5% of male at birth is stronger than top 1% of at the age of 9. It gets much, much more skewed after puberty.

    https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/52/22/1445.long

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      Please tell me you didn’t realize we’re talking about athletes that have undergone HRT and this study isn’t applicable in that case.

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      None of this proves the op comment you replied to was “making shit up”, their only claim was that some trans women have less testosterone than cis women.

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        There are of course differences depending on the sport. But eventually the best men are better than the best women, which is the whole issue summed up. At the very least in physical sports.

        Explosive sports exposes the issue more clearly. Which is why 15 year old boys win against the womens national team in football (soccer). 14 year olds have beat elite teams in womens hockey.

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      There is plenty of empirical data to show that the best men are better than the best women.

      Wow.

      We could pretend that you forgot to say something about “when it comes to sports” or some other kind of qualifier, but we all know that’d be a lie.

      So, thank you for proving my point. It is truly just sad and pathetic the way you try to pretend like you even know empirical data means.

      Take your bigotry and shove a back up your ass where it belongs.

      (Did you really think that quoting an extremely widely discredited study that did not involve any empirical data whatsoever was some kind of gotcha? Jesus Christ, that’s just pathetic)

      For the record, obsessing over other people’s genitalia is just fucking weird.

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        2 million people tested. Seems pretty solid if you ask me.

        We could pretend that you forgot to say something about “when it comes to sports” or some other kind of qualifier, but we all know that’d be a lie.

        Well, we are talking about sports? Are you actually trying to undermine my argument just because you can’t follow context? Stop arguing if you have nothing other than bad faith to come with.

        Give me a better study showing that the trans medication actually works. The best anyone has given so far was a study showing 15 random people of Facebook that didn’t even compete in sports.

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          Whoa. Seriously? So if we’re not talking about sports you seriously just believe men are better than women.

          Yeah goodbye. I’m done with you

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            Read their comment again: the grammar is a little convoluted, but they’re just saying that they were talking about sports and that they were not ranking men above women in general.

            Edit: spelling

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            And only bad faith readings from you since you can’t understand that we are talking about sports.

            Go lick a salt block or something.

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                Has had this nick since before the automaker existed, i’m not changing it just because people don’t think about Nikola tesla enough.

                Says more about you than me.

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      It gets much, much more skewed after puberty.

      Because the primary causitive variable here isn’t the person’s sex chromosomes but their relative hormone levels. It’s highly correlated to the sex chromosomes that one is born with, which is what your data shows, but it isn’t the cause.

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        Barring a syndrome, there is direct cause between being born with sex chromosomes and hormone shifts during puberty.

        A rare example would be Caster Semenya. I 100% think she should be allowed to compete as a woman, as she was born as one. Even if her hormones are raised due to mutation.

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          If the doctors had designated her sex “correctly” when she was born would you hold the same opinion?

          Why is her situation any different than someone who medically matches her hormonal levels, irregardless of assigned sex at birth?

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            There is no confusion about her sex. She was born as a woman and she considers herself a woman (not that it matters for sports, only that she was born as one)

            Obviously taking drugs to match would be incredibly wrong. Just like doping is wrong.

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              She was born as a woman and she considers herself a woman

              You are conflating sex and gender, she has 5α-reductase deficiency which exclusively effects individuals with an XY karyotype.

              Either all women1, including Semenya, fall under that umbrella or none of them do. Pick one.

              If your concern is about “unfair advantages gained via doping” then the majority of trans women competing are being much more fair because they are undergoing HRT to bring the “doping” back to within the typical woman baseline.

              Unless your moral outrage is because you’re drawing a distinction between naturally occuring and artificial doping?

              ^1 I should have to fucking say this, but based on the fact we’re having this conversation: this inherently includes trans women.^

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                If your concern is about “unfair advantages gained via doping” then the majority of trans women competing are being much more fair because they are undergoing HRT to bring the “doping” back to within the typical woman baseline.

                This is the issue at hand. How can you possibly justify reverse doping when none is allowed? This introduction of alteration that isn’t and can’t be available for everyone is inherently unfair. It also is troublesome in the opposite direction. What is then the legal limit for doping of a trans male? Can they take as much as they want since it’s part of their condition?

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                  alteration that isn’t and can’t be available for everyone

                  That’s unfortunately how genetics works.

                  What is then the legal limit for doping of a trans male?

                  I thought being assigned female at birth made someone inherently and irreversibly weaker and so they would be non-competitive in men’s sports /s.

                  Seriously though that’s a largely solved problem. While specifics will vary depending on the specific org this set of guidelines outlined by the World Anti-Doping Agency is a decent enough framework and directly answers that.

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                    That’s unfortunately how genetics works.

                    That’s fair. Changing it by medication or doping isn’t.

                    I thought being assigned female at birth made someone inherently and irreversibly weaker and so they would be non-competitive in men’s sports /s.

                    I gave it as an example for you to understand the position. Clearly it didn’t work.

                    There is no example of a trans male winning against the best men in competition. Just the other way around. But then again we haven’t tested how far people might go in their roiding.