Leftists and liberals generally spent more time arguing amongst themselves online and glomming on to mini personality cults of prominent online influencers, fully engaging in the distractions of gender and culture wars…
… than they did spend their time on any kind of actually effective, in any but the most superficial sense, kind of messaging or actions.
Sure, if you helped run a local homeless shelter, built up some kind of actual union or a a mutual aid network, knocked on doors, rallied people in person or at least phone banked, joined an outfit or did your own actually real and impactful journalism, consistently protested, set up something like an underground railroad, started actually laying a framework for an alternate economy that could be resilient to or function during a collapse of the broader economy…
Something actually tangible?
Then hey, you actually tried.
Basically every one else just whined and complained, ineffectively.
Doing this all with the greatest access to information and ability to coordinate that has ever been present in the history of humanity.
Nope, winning twitter arguments was more important.
I live in California, dickface. Largest state in the country, we vote blue every single time, but because the way the electoral college works, we are underrepresented.
I’m sorry, I can’t do what billionaires do and pump huge amounts of money into the candidate that I want.
Yeah the people who stayed home and didn’t vote or the people who voted third party they can go fuck themselves, but coming after the people who did vote for harris, you look like an asshole.
This country is so fucking rigged, I dare you to come up with any actually feasible means of fixing it. If you can do that then you can fucking talk like this.
10-15 years ago, when the institutional momentum was not yet strong enough that it could not be thwarted by a concerted and targetted, ground up pressure strategy.
But, back then, everyone told me I was hysterical, overreacting, and that what is currently happening could never happen and was impossible.
Obama was in power, the Dems had a trifecta, surely they’d overrule citizens united and move the whole country over to ranked choice voting, and abolish gerry mandering!
Oh wait no, they squandered that, and then people mostly shrugged and sighed as things got worse and worse, not seemingly realizing the exponential nature of the situation, nor to what dire of a degree climate change mandated urgent action.
We are now at the point where… well basically, the only way to meaningfully fight back against this all would be for enough people to follow the example of your username, and just start assasinating everyone who is personally in a leadership position at an exploitative corporation, over and over and over again, untill CEOs and board members get tired of dying and actually stop raping the people and the planet by force.
But now we are all even more tired and dispossesed, even more exhausted and overwhelmed.
We missed our shot at doing it peacefully 10, 15 years ago.
Now it could only be done through coordinated violence, and we are more atomized and tribalized and individualized than ever, so in all likelihood, the only people who’d even attempt a CEO purge would be lone wolves of some kind, which won’t be enough.
I don’t really give a damn that you think I look like an asshole, I’m pretty used to bringing up unpleasant facts and realistic assesments that make people deeply uncomfortable.
We are now at the point where the apparently impossible peaceful revolution has made a violent revolution inevitable.
Its just that the fascists are doing all the violence, ie, we are losing, for lack of meaningfully fighting back.
You… have a strange definition of ‘finding a way’.
To me, that means; outlinining a reasonably effective plan to achieve what you want, with a realistic chance of succeeding should it be pursued.
It does not mean successfully executing that plan.
You can find a path in the woods, and you can actually walk that path.
These are not the same thing.
In the context of a society, you expand this analogy to include … masses of people being convinced of the plan, as well as collectively and broadly judging what groups of people actually did, whether or not they even conceptually considered walking the described path, vs en masse walking the found path.
Also, I’ve in my last comment outlined another ‘way’.
But, yet again, despite this way having a decent chance of working if executed competently, my strong inclination is that most of the people who say they are very concerned about all these things, say they want things to change…
They will not do what it would actually take, they will flip to complaining about what is reasonable to expect from people, from themselves… they will not be willing to risk true sacrifice for a greater good, they will continue to be (ironically) reactive, instead of proactive.
We are broadly frogs being slowly boiled, and yes, that is an accurate analogy, because we have broadly acquiesed to being lobotomized by corporate media and social media, as opposed to radically rejecting it.
It’s the same mindset and response as is directed at regressive states. Now I’m not saying I don’t agree with the sentiment, but even places like Florida and Texas have literally millions of people that continue to try to do their part too.
Still no updoot for the bad take but like I get it.
8% of registered voters didnt turn out. 28% of the population is not registered to vote.
Trump won 49.8% to Harris’ 48.3% which is a split of 316 to 226 electoral votes.
Your bad takes are exactly the unhelpful pretending that it was a clear cut victory that allows him to do whatever he wants that do not recognize that a lot of people are bot happy or ok with this.
Its easier to pretend everyone is sinple and evil than accept that there are no sinle answers. But you are unequivocally wrong to say that double the people support or helped Trump.
You’ve got government you deserve.
This is such a bullshit mindset. There are literally millions of us who did our part to try to stop this.
Doesn’t matter, it’s collectively, broadly true.
Leftists and liberals generally spent more time arguing amongst themselves online and glomming on to mini personality cults of prominent online influencers, fully engaging in the distractions of gender and culture wars…
… than they did spend their time on any kind of actually effective, in any but the most superficial sense, kind of messaging or actions.
Sure, if you helped run a local homeless shelter, built up some kind of actual union or a a mutual aid network, knocked on doors, rallied people in person or at least phone banked, joined an outfit or did your own actually real and impactful journalism, consistently protested, set up something like an underground railroad, started actually laying a framework for an alternate economy that could be resilient to or function during a collapse of the broader economy…
Something actually tangible?
Then hey, you actually tried.
Basically every one else just whined and complained, ineffectively.
Doing this all with the greatest access to information and ability to coordinate that has ever been present in the history of humanity.
Nope, winning twitter arguments was more important.
I live in California, dickface. Largest state in the country, we vote blue every single time, but because the way the electoral college works, we are underrepresented.
I’m sorry, I can’t do what billionaires do and pump huge amounts of money into the candidate that I want.
Yeah the people who stayed home and didn’t vote or the people who voted third party they can go fuck themselves, but coming after the people who did vote for harris, you look like an asshole.
This country is so fucking rigged, I dare you to come up with any actually feasible means of fixing it. If you can do that then you can fucking talk like this.
I did come up with feasible ways of fixing it.
10-15 years ago, when the institutional momentum was not yet strong enough that it could not be thwarted by a concerted and targetted, ground up pressure strategy.
But, back then, everyone told me I was hysterical, overreacting, and that what is currently happening could never happen and was impossible.
Obama was in power, the Dems had a trifecta, surely they’d overrule citizens united and move the whole country over to ranked choice voting, and abolish gerry mandering!
Oh wait no, they squandered that, and then people mostly shrugged and sighed as things got worse and worse, not seemingly realizing the exponential nature of the situation, nor to what dire of a degree climate change mandated urgent action.
We are now at the point where… well basically, the only way to meaningfully fight back against this all would be for enough people to follow the example of your username, and just start assasinating everyone who is personally in a leadership position at an exploitative corporation, over and over and over again, untill CEOs and board members get tired of dying and actually stop raping the people and the planet by force.
But now we are all even more tired and dispossesed, even more exhausted and overwhelmed.
We missed our shot at doing it peacefully 10, 15 years ago.
Now it could only be done through coordinated violence, and we are more atomized and tribalized and individualized than ever, so in all likelihood, the only people who’d even attempt a CEO purge would be lone wolves of some kind, which won’t be enough.
I don’t really give a damn that you think I look like an asshole, I’m pretty used to bringing up unpleasant facts and realistic assesments that make people deeply uncomfortable.
We are now at the point where the apparently impossible peaceful revolution has made a violent revolution inevitable.
Its just that the fascists are doing all the violence, ie, we are losing, for lack of meaningfully fighting back.
wow, so you did almost exactly what I did!
And it didn’t work?
So then you didn’t find a way.
You… have a strange definition of ‘finding a way’.
To me, that means; outlinining a reasonably effective plan to achieve what you want, with a realistic chance of succeeding should it be pursued.
It does not mean successfully executing that plan.
You can find a path in the woods, and you can actually walk that path.
These are not the same thing.
In the context of a society, you expand this analogy to include … masses of people being convinced of the plan, as well as collectively and broadly judging what groups of people actually did, whether or not they even conceptually considered walking the described path, vs en masse walking the found path.
Also, I’ve in my last comment outlined another ‘way’.
But, yet again, despite this way having a decent chance of working if executed competently, my strong inclination is that most of the people who say they are very concerned about all these things, say they want things to change…
They will not do what it would actually take, they will flip to complaining about what is reasonable to expect from people, from themselves… they will not be willing to risk true sacrifice for a greater good, they will continue to be (ironically) reactive, instead of proactive.
We are broadly frogs being slowly boiled, and yes, that is an accurate analogy, because we have broadly acquiesed to being lobotomized by corporate media and social media, as opposed to radically rejecting it.
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It’s the same mindset and response as is directed at regressive states. Now I’m not saying I don’t agree with the sentiment, but even places like Florida and Texas have literally millions of people that continue to try to do their part too.
Still no updoot for the bad take but like I get it.
It’s still a bullshit mindset when directed at regressive states.
and twice as many who didn’t
Thats quite literally false.
8% of registered voters didnt turn out. 28% of the population is not registered to vote.
Trump won 49.8% to Harris’ 48.3% which is a split of 316 to 226 electoral votes.
Your bad takes are exactly the unhelpful pretending that it was a clear cut victory that allows him to do whatever he wants that do not recognize that a lot of people are bot happy or ok with this.
Its easier to pretend everyone is sinple and evil than accept that there are no sinle answers. But you are unequivocally wrong to say that double the people support or helped Trump.
That’s quite literally false.
235 million eligible to vote
78 million people voted other than Trump
77.3 million people voted for Trump
79.7 million people didn’t vote
that’s exactly double
That is some reckless math to justify a bad position.
no, that’s the simple math that you refuse to acknowledge
get your head out of the sand
We got the government the wealthy were ok with as a fallback.
Do not claim to know what people, that you do not know, deserve.