Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth has reposted and praised a video interview of a self-described Christian nationalist pastor whose church doesn’t believe women should be allowed to vote.
Doug Wilson, senior pastor of Christ Church in Idaho, said during the interview with CNN that, “Women are the kind of people that people come out of.”
“The wife and mother, who is the chief executive of the home, is entrusted with three or four or five eternal souls,” he continued.
In the CNN interview, Wilson also defended previous comments where he had said there was mutual affection between slaves and their masters. He also said that sodomy should be recriminalized. The Supreme Court invalidated sodomy laws in 2003.
I’m waiting for them to openly acknowledge that everyone can be property.
You own your wife. You own your laborers. You own your slaves. They do not get a right to vote, as they are property, but allow the owner to vote on your behalf.
I predict that essentially white male professionals and the very wealthy will be the only ones permitted to own said property. White male Doctors, lawyers, engineers, scientists, professors, managers, accountants etc. Most of these won’t have their own slaves, generally they will “invest” in a wife. Why? Because they are salaried, and typically bring in a stupid amount of money compared to labor.
Consider my job - software engineer. My charge rate is twice my salary broken down into hourly pay. And quite often I have to work more than 40 hours a week - I don’t make more, but my employer gets to charge more. Depending on the contracts, this means more pure profit.
Labor will still be paid in the sense that it will be more like the 1800s. Labor does not generate profit by itself (in the owners mind). Labor, therefore, is an expense, and gets treated like property on the employer’s time.
In the owners mind, slaves are full property, able to be traded amongst owners. They get the benefit of being fed and being housed. Depending on their value, they may even get limited healthcare.
Women will be property, full stop. Modern educated women will be attritioned out, and young women and children will be indoctrinated that their purpose is to service men, and eventually handed to a suitor to produce children.
I want to admit something here, something gross. That last one is going to be the most difficult to fight. I am even tempted by the idea of it, simply because I’m pretty lonely (to no fault of women, but the nature of my environment). If I’m tempted by it, I am not the only one, and there are far more vulnerable men that are advocating for it.
So the question becomes, what do we do? Well, I think right now we continue to resist, we continue to defy, we continue to push the fascists into infighting.
What happens if we’re unable to stop it? I can only hope that current families of women and children are highly selective about partners and continue to see the value in their independence. We don’t have to make it easy for fascists to get their way.
I want to note that I didn’t mention the LGTBQ+ community. In the MAGA worldview, they don’t exist. Existing is a crime. It will be up to those of us who consider ourselves allies to do what we can for them, which means subversive education, which means doctors and pharmacists taking risks, which means living the saying “if you see something, no you didn’t. If you know something, no you don’t.” This is the new culture we need to accelerate. This is vital. Germans and Russians were more than willing to report on their neighbors. We cannot allow this under any circumstances.
TL;DR: don’t give them want they want.
The LGBTQ populace will be eradicated, it will most likely be the first target they go for, after the immigrants, prioritized over submitting women.
Anyone suspected of leaning towards that “lifestyle” will be seen as a possible subversive element, since it will not fit in their picture of family values.
There will come razzias dragging people out into the streets and “deporting” them to unknown destinations.
I can see them starting “McCarthyism” like councils to drum up fear and hatred.
The signs are already there with lgbtq’ers being fired by the government losing all pension benefits in trump’s current decreed legislation.
I even have seen one wackjob being interviewed plainly stating gays should have no rights nor be able to have property…
And don’t forget, in this day and age at least half of the population would delight in giving their neighbors intense problems if only because said neighbors had nicer flowers in their garden or some other trivial nonsense.
In Nazi Germany and the occupied countries there were massive amounts of collaborators terrorizing every community they were in and it had almost nothing to do with love for the Nazi’s. For the US reporting deviant behavior will become the new threat of lawsuits… Heck, the government might even decide to reward such reporting.
You can see some guy saying that government should have the death penalty for gays back in The God Who Wasn’t There documentary. I mean, that guy was happy to state it openly, for the cameras. This was 20 years ago, long before the likes of Taco gave them a permission structure to be their very worst.
“It would be the government that would be executing the homosexuals”.
https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=73_IjNPmIEI
The problem here is that men and women who actually put thought into procreating generally have 0, 1 or 2 kids. It’s the rare few who want to manage a large family combined with the hordes who have limited forethought and mental control of their bodily urges who end up having 15 children.
Such people also tend to start having kids earlier, so while a generation of people with no impulse control is around 18 years, a generation of people who plan ahead can be double that.
Not entirely. There is a Christian movement called Quiverfull, which encourages families to have as many children as possible. That ignorant family of pedophiles and perverts that had the reality show were a perfect example.
To clarify, many large families are due to careless responsibility, but most are just religious freaks.
Also Mormons, though quite a few of them adopt which is confusing for me on a moral level. It’s bad when they breed but I also don’t want them propagating through conversion while also not wanting kids in the foster care system, due to their communities and general wealth on the better end Mormons are an improvement. Problem is Mormonism is still a demi-cult and they have a long and storied history of their members buying into pyramid schemes on the better end of cult dynamics or going batshit insane on the worse end.
IDK what my point is, I think I just wanted to bitch about Mormons again. Fuck Utah Mormons in particular as well. Also fuck Provo.
Mormonism has always been a cult. Absolutely no different from Scientology.
Or any other religious, actually.
That’s missing quite a bit of nuance when it comes to these things. Cults and cult dynamics are an entire field of historical and anthropological study that deserves the respect of nuance. While I’ll be the first to call the Mormons cultists saying all religions are cults kinda misses the nuance of high control religion (cults) vs low control religion (Universalists for example) wherein you increase the threat of one while decreasing the threat of the other for no gain.
While you can hold the opinion that all religions use cult dynamics for control something which I agree with, without the nuance base you just come across as an ass. For example plenty of folks see the Seventh Day Adventists as being just another flavor of semi bog standard Christianity right up until you point out that at least some of them practice shunning, also they keep tight social control over their members. The nuance and explanation is what solidifies their threat to those unaware.
I get what you are saying, but it’s more like there’s a cult spectrum. Most of the standard religions are somewhere in the middle, but there are those that tend to lean in one direction or another, from loose control to tight control.
But in the end, it’s still a person/organization trying to control a group to some extent, convincing them that an imaginary entity controls the entire universe, and only by having access to this person/organization, can you possibly hope to have that Entity’s omnipresent favor shine upon you. Otherwise, you are doomed, in this life, and beyond. That is the general take for nearly EVERY religion. Sounds pretty culty to me.