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That’s great! Means it won’t update randomly without my permission anymore.
Actually, it will likely “upgrade” you to Windows 11 whether you want it to or not.
My w10 machine says it doesn’t meet minimum requirements for w11. I’m safe!
Hahahaha, I love this perspective.
I’ve lost more hours to updates than I can count. Never lost any hours to being hacked…because my security is layered.
German Government is still paying for XP and Win7 Updates, because some software just isn’t available on newer OS’s.
Fuck off Microsoft.
My daily driver is an endeavorOS install, the only reason I keep windows 10 on a small SSD is for GeForce Now since the windows app is the only platform they provide that supports streams at 120+fps and 1440p. My windows 10 install is just a GeForce Now thin client ever since I got att fiber.
My windows install is just for piracy
Next personal GFX update I’m going AMD and installing Linux on my gaming PC no matter what
But I get it, you don’t want to maintain old builds forever. And given that certain systems still run Windows XP you have to force people and money is the only thing that talks
The problem with Linux builds is game compatibility. Many are windows only. Sure you can use Wine or Proton, but that isn’t everyone. And they don’t seem stable for long.
Steam UI is a good step forward.
I’ll just not play those. But anticheats might suck
There are many games that have compatibility issues. I would check for your favorites first. Elden ring, cyberpunk, many others
Why wait?
Running windows 10 no issues so far. And heard Wayland has Nvidia issues
Tbf it depends what you do, but some distros just work with Nvidia apparently
Not just Wayland.
Every experience I’ve had so far with running anything Linux on Nvidia hardware has been unpredictable to say the least. Not just personal experience but those around me as well. Somehow it always comes down to driver compatibility issues, and there is a reason Torvalds used such strong words when describing the developer experience in dealing with Nvidia.
And these problems will likely persist until they decide to fully publish the source for their drivers.
All the trouble I never had was with ATI/AMD cards, never with Nvidia.
And they’ll never open source their drivers because they don’t give a shit about half a percent of market share. The only reason they even bother maintaining a free Linux driver is because we provide free testing, which they can use for their professional cards where the big money is.
But I never understood people’s obsession with Nvidia bring open source, it’s not like it’s the only proprietary Linux driver, or the only one with incompatible license etc.
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Yeah good luck with games, support on Linux has gotten way better over the years but it’s still severely lacking (mainly due to anticheats or game developers intentionally not supporting Linux). Even with games that you can play on Linux, they require an annoying amount of tweaking to actually get running.
Steam Deck gives me hope for Linux gaming but I don’t think it’ll ever have as much support as Windows gaming, in fact a surprisingly high amount of games have a Linux detection system that blocks Linux players because fuck you I guess…
But you can’t really blame Linux for this, it’s mostly the fault of aggressive anticheat that shouldn’t exist in the first place, or shitty companies wanting to block Linux players from playing their games.
As for Nvidia, I’ve personally had no issue and in fact I run into more situations where having an Nvidia graphics card is better – encoding (great for recording games) and DLSS, for example. But that’s just my experience, I’m sure it’s just coincidental because I don’t play that many games anymore.
They really want everyone on 11 don’t they.
Remember when TPMS is an optional security feature ;-)
It’s still optional
Well, this is awkward. TPM and start menu position were like 90% of my reasons for not upgrading…
I guess that explains why it was still an add-on to last years motherboard :-)
You can change the start menu position back to W10 as well lol
Not if you customized it in win10. I dock mine along the left edge of the screen. They removed that ability.
I’m using W11 right now with my start menu on the left side…
Tire pressure monitor sensor
LOL 😂 Oops.
I use 11 for work, and so I tried it at home to really dive into the issues I might have. I generally prefer Linux but have always kept my daily drivers Windows…well until last Friday. I had the explorer shell crash on me causing data loss and really was the last straw. Wiped everything and went to Linux, I’m tired of the games Microsoft. I tolerated your bullshit for YEARS because the core of the OS usually “just worked”…except in recent years that’s not true and I don’t feel like my computer is “my computer” when windows 10+ is on it.
I do this shit for a living. Unless you were actively doing file moves then explorer crashing didn’t cause the data loss.
You really need to do a health check on your drive(s), and you can install Teracopy for faster file move operations that aren’t reliant on explorer staying up.
I’m glad you think you know what happened. I’m happy to say you don’t. I’m also not going to bother replying as the whole point of my original post is that it happened and I no longer use Windows.
For what it’s worth I too do this for a living :)
It may have seemed like that, but killing explorer.exe doesn’t cause data loss. None of the running applications are spawned by explorer, you just use it to launch them as separate processes.
I’m glad you think that, but in my case it definitely did.
It literally doesn’t work that way. Wait, I got another one - BSOD is a problem with the hardware, not with Windows.
maybe explorer crashing was a syntom of a lot of the system crashing, and that generalncrash that caused data loss?
In my experience it’s a pretty common symptom of a drive that’s about to die or is connected improperly. (I had a PC where the vibration from a fan on the hard drive cage would cause a SATA cable to come loose over time.)
Explorer gets hung up trying to read data, becomes unresponsive, and crashes or causes a BSOD.
A lot of apps you launch do become child processes of explorer.exe. If explorer crashes they might misbehave or become zombie process in Unix terms. It depends on the app though. e.g. Firefox and Edge don’t but Chrome does.
That’s why I run explorer in multi-process mode. Folder windows cannot crash the shell process.
I run chrome, firefox and more under win11 at an MSP.
That whole comment is so much not true.Firefox and Edge don’t but Chrome does.
Assuming you have the most up to date version of Edge: It’s literally Chromium. Don’t kid yourself.
And I crashed more than once my explorer.exe and my whole DE. Not once have I lost files.
If you have done a file move, maybe it would have but not just by crashing while clicking icons.
went to Linux, I’m tired of the games
Linux actually has really good support for games these days
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Lol fortunately I’m not much of a gamer, little sad that BG3 seems kinda broken on Linux right now but I’ll live.
Oh what’s wrong with it? It has gold status on protondb.
Windows 11 also drove me to Linux again…
Although to be fair, it came pre-installed on my new laptop and I was just too lazy to wipe it and switch over. My (now) backup laptop has been running ubuntu for years now, same with my desktop before it died.
But I got about 6 months of windows 11 after de-cluttering it. Still wasn’t enough to convince me to keep it.
I actually went from 10 to a debloated 11 but found the lack of things like…printer drivers to be annoying.
I just had a flashback of trying to get cups working…
I’m sort of glad I haven’t had to use a printer in years.
I’ve literally restarted explorer before to accomplish certain workarounds (like getting the old right click menu back) and had zero issues with data loss.
I don’t see how you could have lost data because the shell crashed when I intentionally killed it and had zero interruptions to my workflow. I’m pretty sure it’s just a way to interact with the file system.
I recently found out that there is a registry hack you can use to get back this menu. It’s so dumb that you have to even do this but at least it’s an option. https://www.howtogeek.com/759449/how-to-get-full-context-menus-in-windows-11s-file-explorer/
That’s the method I used, yeah. You have to either restart the computer or just restart file explorer.
I think it’s stupid they changed it, 9/10 times when I need the menu I need something that requires an extra click, stupid UI regression.
You can also use Shift +Right Click to show the menu. I just hate having to do that.
Alternatively, if you’re only really bothered by the new one missing shell extensions* then you can use Custom Context Menu to add your own context menu entries. I couldn’t stand not having “Add to VLC Playlist” or 7-Zip shell extensions, but otherwise I don’t mind it.
*Which is really on the third party devs, as they could easily register them for the new context menu.
Yeah I have too and it’s these games I get tired of. In this case I lost data, it’s the first time that’s ever happened and it 100% was caused by a problem with explorer.exe.
Before anyone asked, I didn’t have a backup of this data as it was deemed not important which it was not, but it was the last straw for me.
Why would they want to support an OS that they’re not even selling anymore?
That seems like a them problem though… shitty business model that’s already pushing users away
Continued money stream.
Better than single payments because more predictable.What money stream? You can’t buy it from them anymore. They only money they could make is from selling user data, and there’s no reason they couldn’t do that after dropping support.
So pirate Windows 11 or switch to Linux?
Or just run Win 10 forever.
I’ve still got customers on Windows XP.
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“subscribe or die” is our future.
Seize the means of computation people!
You can extend your security on deez nuts
I did not have that on my bingo card, but I realize I should have
Winblows
Now there’s an epithet that brings me back to the old Mac vs. PC flamewars in the late nineties
This shit contributes to electronic waste.
It would be a REALLY simple thing to implement for longer and get the PR boost/spin. considering there are still so many devices that are working that don’t support newer software. BRand loyalty is waning and windows is competing with chrome books. That’s the shit k-12 are getting and most basic people. Give yourself at least a bit of an edge ffs!
But nah public hasn’t made a big fuss about that so of course they won’t elect to make better choices for the environment
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My laptop was somewhat high end around 11 years ago and is still working solidly. I love the Thinkpad series btw. The only thing I had to do was upgrade to SSD and larger memory many years ago. I was an early adopter of windows 11 and after forcing the installation, it ran even better than windows 10 on the same hardware. The lock out felt extremely artificial and arbitrary.
The lock out felt extremely artificial and arbitrary.
it is.
same story, I have a 13 year old laptop that was a fucking beast back then, and to be honest, with 16GB RAM and SSD it still is.
Now I guess according to Microsoft, it’s no better than a banana peel in the garbage can.
Apple is no better. I’m still using a 2013 Macbook pro as a laptop and I can’t upgrade the OS and slowly apps are failing, office will no longer update, and it won’t let me move to the latest OS despite the laptop still being a powerhouse with the same 16gb of ram and ssd.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Just be aware that the tech giant will force you to dip into your wallet to keep accessing security fixes and small bug hunts.
The current version, 22H2, will be the last of its kind for Windows 10, though it will still get monthly security updates all the way through the OS’ planned death date.
Businesses can purchase yearly ESU subscriptions, though Microsoft still has yet to detail how individual users can buy into the program.
Windows 8 lasted about 10 years before it stopped receiving free security updates, but the company decided not to provide ESU service to the much less popular OS.
The Taiwanese outlet The Commercial Times (via Tom’s Hardware) reported last week that Microsoft could release Windows 12 in June 2024.
Eventually, the only way you’ll be able to keep using Microsoft’s latest operating system is to strap yourself into a cramped, economy seat on the tech giant’s big AI passenger jet.
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Good thing by then I’ll hopefully have upgraded computer, again, and be on the Mint train (or whatever distro tickles my fancy). I definitely gotta get on trying out a few on my backlog of distros to try on a VM before then.
While you certainly can run a Linux distro on a VM, why not just run a bootable flash drive with your distro of choice?
Personal preference. Plus, the only spare thumb drive I have is missing the protective case that shields the actual memory components.
yeah no crap they’ve been doing this for decades now lmao
